Saturday, November 5th 2011
The New EVGA Dual GTX 560 Ti That Thinks It's A GTX 585
EVGA has just announced a new dual GPU card based on the GF114 GPU - check out the product launch page here and the product page here. If their performance graph on that launch page is accurate, then the card is around 30% faster than a GTX 580 when running the Unigene Heaven benchmark. The output panel contains three DVI connectors for NVIDIA 3D Surround, along with a mini HDMI port. The cooler has three fans, which should make for a well-cooled and reasonably quiet card. The marketing blurb says:
Primary specs are as follows:
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win
- Part Number: 02G-P3-1569-KR
- Core Clock Speed: 850MHz
- CUDA Cores: 768
- 1GB RAM per GPU
- Memory Clock Speed: 4008MHz
- Memory Bandwidth: 256.6GB/sec
- Shader Clock Speed: 1700MHz
- Bus: PCI-E 2.0
- Interface: DVI-I, DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI
- SLI connector, allowing 2 card, 4 GPU setups. UPDATE: according to the reviews, the SLI connector isn't actually functional, so no SLI with another card is possible
- Product Warranty: 3 year warranty upgradable upon registration
- Product Length: 11.5in - 292.1mm
It's a tiny bit overclocked when compared to a single GPU GTX 560 Ti too, which is nice, but won't be felt in practice.
This looks like an interesting card, but of course its viability is very tightly coupled to its price, so let's hope that EVGA price this competitively. Note that this card is based on the GF114 GPU and not the more powerful GF110 GPU in the upcoming revised GTX 560 Ti (GTX 570 in disguise) that we reported on here a couple of weeks ago.
There are already some reviews out on it, with AnandTech & Hardware Canucks both having reviewed it. Note that AnandTech have stated that it's price is $519, "a little more than a GTX 580". According to them, a GTX 580 is $489, so this isn't too much of a price difference. Of course, how reasonable that price actually is, all depends on how well-priced the particular GTX 580 one is looking at online is, as some etailer "own brand" models can be significantly cheaper than average, because you don't know which actual brands you're getting. However, those cards are just as good as their up-front branded counterparts, where the only difference between them is the little branding sticker when it comes to reference models.
While a nice card, remember that this does have all the issues of any dual or multi GPU card of any brand (NVIDIA or AMD) game profiles in particular, so this must be weighed up carefully when deciding to go for a product like this. Generally speaking, more consistent and trouble-free performance is obtained from a single GPU card. If someone already has a GTX 580, then replacing it with this is not a worthwhile investment, as it only offers a 30% frame rate improvement, along with the issues mentioned.
Introducing the EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2WinTranslated, this means that your life isn't worth living without one of these babies in your rig. Apparently.
It may not be called a GTX 585, but it's the next best thing. This card harnesses the power of two EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti GPU's for blistering fast DirectX 11 performance, including tessellation performance that destroys the competition. Experience a whole new level of interactive gaming and combine up to three displays off a single card for the ultimate in 3D entertainment, or disable Surround and combine up to four displays for maximum productivity. With these features and more, the EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win gives you double the GPU's and double the win!
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2Win
- Part Number: 02G-P3-1569-KR
- Core Clock Speed: 850MHz
- CUDA Cores: 768
- 1GB RAM per GPU
- Memory Clock Speed: 4008MHz
- Memory Bandwidth: 256.6GB/sec
- Shader Clock Speed: 1700MHz
- Bus: PCI-E 2.0
- Interface: DVI-I, DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI
- SLI connector, allowing 2 card, 4 GPU setups. UPDATE: according to the reviews, the SLI connector isn't actually functional, so no SLI with another card is possible
- Product Warranty: 3 year warranty upgradable upon registration
- Product Length: 11.5in - 292.1mm
It's a tiny bit overclocked when compared to a single GPU GTX 560 Ti too, which is nice, but won't be felt in practice.
There are already some reviews out on it, with AnandTech & Hardware Canucks both having reviewed it. Note that AnandTech have stated that it's price is $519, "a little more than a GTX 580". According to them, a GTX 580 is $489, so this isn't too much of a price difference. Of course, how reasonable that price actually is, all depends on how well-priced the particular GTX 580 one is looking at online is, as some etailer "own brand" models can be significantly cheaper than average, because you don't know which actual brands you're getting. However, those cards are just as good as their up-front branded counterparts, where the only difference between them is the little branding sticker when it comes to reference models.
While a nice card, remember that this does have all the issues of any dual or multi GPU card of any brand (NVIDIA or AMD) game profiles in particular, so this must be weighed up carefully when deciding to go for a product like this. Generally speaking, more consistent and trouble-free performance is obtained from a single GPU card. If someone already has a GTX 580, then replacing it with this is not a worthwhile investment, as it only offers a 30% frame rate improvement, along with the issues mentioned.
48 Comments on The New EVGA Dual GTX 560 Ti That Thinks It's A GTX 585
its useless card, and they market it for surround gamer ?
asus we make high end dual gpu's
1. The card requires an SLI certified motherboard, even if it's going to occupy just one PCIe 16x slot. This is because it's not an nVidia approved product, and there is no special profile for it in the official driver. This means that you could buy two GTX560Ti's and put them in SLI for about the same price (even cheaper).
2. The SLI bridge connector isn't really functional, they just didn't care to remove it in the production model. This is because the GTX560Ti ONLY has ONE SLI connector, and the driver thinks it's already in use. You can ONLY put two 560's in SLI.
3. Missed opportunity. 1GB RAM = FAIL.
4. Why in the world would you buy this (except the 3 monitor setups), when you can have one GTX580 for a bit less money and without the microstuttering and without any of the other multi-GPU issues. You could even get a 3GB GTX580 for about the same money, and have a sublime gaming experience, even on 2560x1600.
5. Because "Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).
6. See 5.
This is the way that EVGA manage to "sell" the 560 ti PCB´s they have in stock.
In a few weeks time the new 560 is here, and everyone will stop buying the old version unless the price [old model] really drop´s.
"Don't buy this, it's shite!" (with an irish-albanian accent).
Wait for the new 560
Am glad I'm not the only one who thinks of this (and the GTX460 2win) as a missed opportunity, especially due to VRAM...
Even worse when you can buy two 6950 2GB cards for the same money, which would be faster, and not have the VRAM limitation issue.
The only purpose of this card is if you want a fast single-lane card if you've got an MATX setup or something. Even then, a 6970 or GTX580 would be better suited...
Gah, this has been my argument about NV's choices with the Fermis. Why the 104 and 114s couldn't be more than dual SLI, especially in X2 setups. Both are beautiful chips. 104 was enough to make me switch back from ATI boards. Maybe they are afraid of them attracting too much attention away from their high end chips. The 104s really set NV back on track. Before them, I wasn't even close to considering a NV board again. I guess if they had quad options then, it would have made the GF100s rather pointless outside of major enthusiasts.
www.legitreviews.com/article/1691/1/
I realize that getting reliable information by calling these guys is a no mean feat, however the fact that running a game like metro 2033 (and others)on very high on 1GB cards @ 5760 x 1080 res is simply not doable unless more buffer is available lends credence to the AMD techs explanation.
B.) Takes many months, sometimes years to develop a GPU.
C.) New GPUs require a new marketing campaign which requires money.
D.) Consumers don’t need a more powerful GPU because the market is flooded with powerful and cheap GPUs already.
E.) Its cheaper to slap on another GPU on the PCB, manufacturing overheads are very cheap and efficient.
F.) Instantly improve performance.
H.) EVGA want to sell video cards, they are not going to wait for Nvidia to develop a new GPU.
I.) Like CPUs, we are hitting a performance wall hence the need for multi core processing and multithreading. Same with GPUs, we are hitting the performance wall, so adding more GPUs is the way around it.
Like with CPUs, expect GPUs performance to stagnate and for multi GPUs to become the norm.
these shouldhave been at least announced no later than 2 weeks after the GTX560 Ti launched, and shouldhave been on the market no later than 2-3 months after the 560Ti was out. this is too little too late and most people that want 560 Ti SLi have done it already or will still do it for cheaper.
it shits me that they smear vram on low end cards that don't need it (say 1gb when it needs 512mb) and even over endow anemic GPUs with quadruple the realistically useable memory... and they can't give this card 4gb for its price.
make it 4gb total, charge a solid $100 over GTX580 MSRP and they will sell.... well maybe not now, still too little too late imo
And as the marketing says, the card has the framerate to win. I think people with 1080p 120Hz monitors would be very interested in this card for 3DVisison to achieve the 120FPS they need. At 1080p they are more likely to get 120FPS with this card than a GTX580.1.) You don't need a SLI certified motherboard. Not that this would be a big deal, considering every high end board has SLI(and if your buying a $500 graphics card, you better not be putting it in a sub-$100 motherboard, or I'll beat you). But besides that, you don't need an SLI certified motherboard, because just like the GTX460 2win, and GTX590, the PCB uses a nf200 chip to split the PCI-E lanes between the two GPUs. The presence of the nf200 takes care of the need for an SLi certified board.
2.) I don't see why this is a big problem, yes its there, but eVGA tells you it isn't functional. So big deal, you can't 4-way it thanks to nVidia's driver model.
3.) As I already stated, not really. Plenty of people are running SLI GTX560's right now, and I'm sure their are damn happy with them, even with only 1GB of VRAM. The cards scale wonderfully, and if you are after 3D, then this is the card to have, even with 1GB of VRAM. And everyone complaining about only 1GB of VRAM should read the reviews. Even at 2560x1600 w/ Ultra settings in the games, the GTX560 2Win outperforms the GTX580, usually buy a substantial amount. The only time really the GTX560 2Win drops behind the GTX580 is in BF3 w/ Ultra settings and MSAA cranked up, and at that point even the GTX580 is running at unplayable framerates, so that is kind of a useless data point.
4.) Why would people buy this? Well, because the marketing says it is better than the GTX580. And if you don't believe the marking(and you shouldn't) the reviews say so also. Even at 2560x1600, there wasn't a single game in any of the reviews where the GTX560 2win lost to the GTX580. So for the same price, or a few bucks more depending, you get better performance. That is why people will buy them.
I recently got myself a 120Hz 1080p monitor as a second screen, as you might know. Now, while I've got the graphics card to hit 120Hz consistently in most situations, I don't have the processor, lol. My aging E8500 @ 4.11GHz definitely doesn't have enough horsepower to run all the latest games at that framerate. And it's very easy to check: I just run the problem scene at 1024x768 and the framerate doesn't improve. This is the major
excusereason why I'm gonna be upgrading soon, when SB-E comes out and I know what I want to spend my money on and how much to spend on it.I want three of them folding in my rig!
HHHmmmm, 25k ppd per card...
E. yas it is, thats why AMD use dual GPU on their flagship card.
F. true, its really inconsistent
H. wtf??
I. no, just no. GPU already have thousands "core" in it. the reason AMD use multi-GPU for their flagship is to make it cheaper and faster to produce
Given the increasing popularity of very high resolutions, the decision of how much memory to put on cards is a difficult one, especially for bang-for-buck champions like a 560TiX2 - GDDR5 isn't exactly cheap, and for most of us most of the time 1GB is plenty. How long into the future this will remain the case is very debatable, however.
What would appear to be an easy decision is whether to fit 3GB per GPU to a card aimed at ultra-high resolution gamers who will pay whatever you ask. The Mars II rather remarkably having less memory than the Mars I and Ares might well make it a fairly short lived investment for those that forked out.