ktrYou are incorrect with the "Consoles have ALWAYS been behind PC's when it comes to GPU's."

For example, 360 was released on November 2005 with a GPU equivalent to a X1800XT, which was released on Oct 2005 on the PC. On top of that, Xenos had unified shader, which was introduced with the R600 as early as mid-2007. Hardly behind. If anything, it was ahead.

Not to mention the development units used what would have been like an X800/X850 before launching. This meant there was a lot of time for improvement on the development side. Also, Consoles need less power than PC's because they are dedicated to one thing--runnning games. A device dedicated to one thing that has a single hardware set will always perform better than a device that can do substantially more, and has slightly better hardware.

Check out Android Phones compared to iOS devices. On paper a lot of Android Phones destroy the iPhone 4S, but in real world tests the 4S still offers better looking games and runs more smoothly. Consoles are the same way. All consoles have to do is run a game at high on 1080p with no anti-aliasing at 30fps. When you think about it, consoles really don't NEED to be as powerful as PC's at the time.

This is also a problem in my mind. I want to see an Xbox that launches with a Quad-Core @ 3.6GHz, 2GB of RAM, and an HD6850/GTX560 level GPU. Give me a console that runs games at 60fps and/or features AA effects. That I would be interested in.

just give us a console with 2-4GB of ram and we're set >.> give them 8GB and they can use ramdrives/caches to kill off load times on lighter titles.

i no longer play consoles....but....what a bunch of greedy effing s.o.b.'s....way back when i did play on them mmy friends and I used to exchange games or bring a game to anothers house to play...good stuff, it was fun....these gluttunous money leaches are capable of destroying all fun in a 5,000,000 mile radius....Just another example of how Big Money and Big Business are making this planet suck balls.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, Fail Mircosoft. I will NEVER buy one of these. What a joke.

I never bought used games so im okay with that. Blu ray im also excited about.

RevengEHAHAHAHAHAHA, Fail Mircosoft. I will NEVER buy one of these. What a joke.

hahaha blatant hate.

IIRC Sony was planning the same thing for their PS4, and its not that Microsoft is doing this for more money. Its not them who get the money for the games that are sold. Its the developers and this is a piracy thing too. This will be a very good thing for the game developer companies, but in the long run may hurt the market since Gamestop and what not has a huge used games inventory.

nvidiaintelftwI never bought used games so im okay with that. Blu ray im also excited about.



hahaha blatant hate.

IIRC Sony was planning the same thing for their PS4, and its not that Microsoft is doing this for more money. Its not them who get the money for the games that are sold. Its the developers and this is a piracy thing too. This will be a very good thing for the game developer companies, but in the long run may hurt the market since Gamestop and what not has a huge used games inventory.

Just because you don't buy/use used games doesn't make it "blatant hate". But obviously since one person said that it is fail they must be some sort of Sony "fanboy" or some crap. Good thing the corporations have loyal folks such as yourself to justify less and more inexpensive choices. Good job!

erockerJust because you don't buy/use used games doesn't make it "blatant hate". But obviously since one person said that it is fail they must be some sort of Sony "fanboy" or some crap. Good thing the corporations have loyal folks such as yourself to justify less and more inexpensive choices. Good job!

I think he was more getting at people grasping at straws ti hate big corporations. People hate on Microsoft all the time just because they are such a huge presence in the Technology business, and will take any hint they can to point the finger. I personally like Microsoft a lot, and even though they have made some awful products and practiced some shady business they have also done a lot to help consumers out--making internet browsers low cost\free, selling the 360 at a loss to make sure people could afford them, smacking down patent trolls, etc.

way to stir up an argument from 3 months ago...

xenocideI think he was more getting at people grasping at straws ti hate big corporations. People hate on Microsoft all the time just because they are such a huge presence in the Technology business, and will take any hint they can to point the finger. I personally like Microsoft a lot, and even though they have made some awful products and practiced some shady business they have also done a lot to help consumers out--making internet browsers low cost\free, selling the 360 at a loss to make sure people could afford them, smacking down patent trolls, etc.

^^^ Thank you.

Lol, I sense bias. Either way, I'd take a job at Microsoft. ;)

nvidiaintelftwI never bought used games so im okay with that. Blu ray im also excited about.



hahaha blatant hate.

IIRC Sony was planning the same thing for their PS4, and its not that Microsoft is doing this for more money. Its not them who get the money for the games that are sold. Its the developers and this is a piracy thing too. This will be a very good thing for the game developer companies, but in the long run may hurt the market since Gamestop and what not has a huge used games inventory.

You must of been born after the pager and brick and car phone generation :shadedshu

eidairaman1You must of been born after the pager and brick and car phone generation :shadedshu

I am 19 and was born in 1993.

Come at me.

I own both, thank you very much. I am not a fanboy in any way shape or form. If this was a Sony Thread I would have said the same thing about them.

nvidiaintelftwI am 19 and was born in 1993.

Come at me.

Bad idea saying that to a soldier. Anyways, I don't know how you cannot agree that not being able to play used games on a console isn't a bad thing.

erockerBad idea saying that to a soldier. Anyways, I don't know how you cannot agree that not being able to play used games on a console isn't a bad thing.

Agreed.

nvidiaintelftwI am 19 and was born in 1993.

Come at me.

Lets Just say before March 31 I could of as I was stationed near Tacoma, WA so I was Pretty Much 30 Minutes away from where you are on a good day of traffic. (Yes Most in WA drive with their heads up their asses)

Now I see what kind of attitude you have and it suites You very well, I was 19 going on 20 in 2004 just FYI.

With Age Comes Wisdom. To me you're too blind and hot headed and cocky, being hot headed and cocky will lead you to making mistakes in a fight thus losing it.

Take that as a lesson before getting into a fight with anyone because you will bite off more than you can chew. Thus you can get really maimed/killed. I also don't make it a priority to fight anyone less I have no other choice, unless if my life or those that I love are in danger.

Anyways In all Honestly Majority of customers will not like this Idea because they will flood to other companies- that allow you to pay less for a game. With the World Economy in Shambles people will look for cheaper games.

I recall Genesis/Super Nintendo games running for 50 bux brand new and I was in Blockbuster/ Hollywood Video/FuncoLand (Yes Before they became Gaystop) to look for the same game that was 100 percent functional for less (thats how I got some great games for that console without breaking bank) I even got the Model 1 and Model 2 Genesis from FuncoLand with all my games that way.

Now if a Used game and a New Game are the same price after the newgame had a price slash Ill go for it of course.

bloody tension eh, anyways they are retards (ms) cheap second hand games is about the only type of game a kid can typically afford, i know i was one.

theirs only going to be one end product from this comeing true and thats the nextbox getting cracked and chipped quicker then a easter egg in a kindergarten, do Ms think people (the desperate skint) will pay all their money for cod and gears over a chip and a 5 pound copy, they are going to bring the dark days back to the uk the chimps

im not for it (cracking) but i did many back in the day and no i sold no games just cracked em as it was easy extra doe, but i cant be bothered these days anyway(better job).

and in a way i personally prefer to buy a game ive been anticipateing ages full whack as it drives me to the end of said game even when it ends up being shit,,, ahem ill beat you yet crysis2.

they should so go back to cartidges/memory sticks but usb3 version ish

marcthproWhat if you can't rent a game for 7 Day for 6$ and tell if you like it or not ? just buy and hope you ain't getting a Failure like Duke nukem forever or Game that as no replay value

v good point wtf are they going todo about rentals

It might be a bad thing, but i haven't bought a used game in the last like 8 years. Last time i did it didn't even work. I just prefer buying new games through sales from places like amazon, etc. I usually buy all the block busters new at full price at launch so.

nvidiaintelftwIt might be a bad thing, but i haven't bought a used game in the last like 8 years. Last time i did it didn't even work. I just prefer buying new games through sales from places like amazon, etc. I usually buy all the block busters new at full price at launch so.

Sorry to hear from your loss but just as a rule of thumb always test the games at a Gamestop, Electronic Boutique, Babbages, Hastings, Local Movie Shops before buying them.