It is very sad that a new generation of cards with new arch and considerably smaller node bring so little in performance for so much money. I don't expect this to be more than 30-35% faster than a GTX580 and I shouldn't care if it's the "performance" chip inside.

if the price indeed turned out as 549$, I would be disappointed. nvidia have a real opportunity of winning customers if they price it within 500$. It would also make AMD think twice before they price a single GPU card above 500$.
Yes, 28nm yields are an issue now but it is not like these 'high-end' cards are going to see 'large' demand for AMD & nvidia, its the mid-range cards 200-300$ that see most of the demand. So, good yields or not, I feel it is unfair for both companies to raise the price points of their high-end cards. Hopefully, they will bring the prices down as the yields improve.

Crap DaddyIt is very sad that a new generation of cards with new arch and considerably smaller node bring so little in performance for so much money. I don't expect this to be more than 30-35% faster than a GTX580 and I shouldn't care if it's the "performance" chip inside.

I think part of that is from them trying to reduce power consumption vs the prior gen, and not going all out just for performance. The other part is probably immature drivers since both have done big architecture changes.

Well well, if it's more faster, We will see a drop on HD7k, which is good for us :)

I don't like buying a card over 350, well I'll still wait, and see :)

Can't wait for next week.

Crap DaddyIt is very sad that a new generation of cards with new arch and considerably smaller node bring so little in performance for so much money. I don't expect this to be more than 30-35% faster than a GTX580 and I shouldn't care if it's the "performance" chip inside.

It's also a ~320mm^2 chip versus the ~520mm^2 of the GTX580, and is rumored to be on par for the HD7970 (a fellow 500mm^2+ chip). All things considered, I think it's a pretty solid offering if all the rumors hold up.

ChristTheGreatWell well, if it's more faster, We will see a drop on HD7k, which is good for us :)

No we won't. This is duopoly economics. GTX680 will be priced just above or at the price of HD7970 depending on if it performs as well or slightly better. I wouldn't expect prices to budge very much.

So, if the GK104 is being branded a GTX 680 and the dual version GTX 690, what's the GK100/GK110 gonna come in as? GTX 685?

qubitso, if the gk104 is being branded a gtx 680 and the dual version gtx 690, what's the gk100/gk110 gonna come in as? Gtx 685?

gtx 780.

btarunrWill GK104 be competition to HD 7900 series? Yes. Will that cause a price-war leading to happier consumers? Resounding NO.

which should result in us not buying and turning to the authorities to point out the price fixing.

which we wont :|

btarunrgtx 780.

are you thinking they will bastardise the 110 core to fill that range out like they are with this too?

after what they did with the 580 core they could do imo.

I don't see why anyone would buy any video card at those prices to play console ports? I had to say it... hehehe

MindweaverI don't see why anyone would buy any video card at those prices to play console ports? I had to say it... hehehe

too bad your right:shadedshu

Can't wait to see how one of these performs!

MindweaverI don't see why anyone would buy any video card at those prices to play console ports? I had to say it... hehehe

Although its frustrating to know, what you say is true for most games.. but not all games(engines) are & will be console ports.. there is reason to believe that some developers like DICE are making efforts to make full use of Microsoft's DirectX features.. one good example is "DirectCompute" API that is used in some games (ex:BF3 , Metro 2033) for enhancing visuals with 'ambient occlusion', 'DOF', etc.. and these enhancements cannot be handled by consoles, IGPs & APUs.. but can realise the full potential of performance GPUs

so, there is hope that more developers will try to make use of the true potential in discrete performance GPUs :cool:

MindweaverI don't see why anyone would buy any video card at those prices to play console ports? I had to say it... hehehe

Heh, this is why I still don't know if I want to jump on one of these cards at full price yet.

xenocideIt's also a ~320mm^2 chip versus the ~520mm^2 of the GTX580, and is rumored to be on par for the HD7970 (a fellow 500mm^2+ chip). All things considered, I think it's a pretty solid offering if all the rumors hold up.



No we won't. This is duopoly economics. GTX680 will be priced just above or at the price of HD7970 depending on if it performs as well or slightly better. I wouldn't expect prices to budge very much.

well, if it's really price at 549 ononline, it will be the price of the HD7970, so if it outperform, there will be a price drop.

But actually, we don't know the performance. If it's 15-20% faster, the HD7970 will need to go down for sure.

Instead yes, this is not good for us as the price is higher.

NHKSAlthough its frustrating to know, what you say is true for most games.. but not all games(engines) are & will be console ports.. there is reason to believe that some developers like DICE are making efforts to make full use of Microsoft's DirectX features.. one good example is "DirectCompute" API that is used in some games (ex:BF3 , Metro 2033) for enhancing visuals with 'ambient occlusion', 'DOF', etc.. and these enhancements cannot be handled by consoles, IGPs & APUs.. but can realise the full potential of performance GPUs

so, there is hope that more developers will try to make use of the true potential in discrete performance GPUs :cool:

Ok from your statement above you would pay those high prices to play a game you might get from a developer that caters to consoles? I hate to tell you but even DICE started to back track before release... Oh and the last time I checked my 5850's in CF have the latest Microsoft DirectX features... and play all of those games just fine... So, again why would anybody pay these prices that there current cards can handle? You could argue that hey you can go to a single card, but but.. wait my GTX480 that I only paid $219 plays all of these games just fine as well... Err if we listened to NVIDIA - The Way it's meant to be played we would all go buy a fu*kn console... [/rant]

So this new card has similarities in performance. The HD 7970 wins a few and the GTX 680 wins others. What happens to the Hot, Loud but Kick Ass performance NV?

The performance of the GTX 680 is somewhere around Radeon HD 7970 as it wins in some games and benchmarks and loses in others. Of course, these are all results that came from Nvidia so we'll hold our judgement until we see some reviews.

www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26308-nvidia-gtx-680-pixellized-in-more-detail

btarunrgtx 780.

c**ts so basically this was earmarked as as mid range with GK104 being high, though now this is their high range of the 6 series? knew the 50% improvement on like for like basis was to good to be true, so I will now wait for 7 series :banghead:

MindweaverOk from your statement above you would pay those high prices to play a game you might get from a developer that caters to consoles? [/rant]

No, and in fact I am totally disappointed seeing the price speculation of the GTX680 @ 550$.. I was hoping nvidia to price the GK104 competitively.. we all know that GK104 means a mid-to-high range gpu.. since GK100 has nt seen light we get the 104 branded as GTX680 at the price of GK100(?), which is just unfair of nvidia.. GK104 should have got the GTX660 branding like GF114 was GTX560Ti.. and so u can find my 'meme' for nvidia under my earlier comment..:p

EDIT:to futher support my view on GK104 being a mid-range > www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26310-nvidia-aims-for-record-quarter (Massive margins on GK104)

These are meant for enthusiasts, a very small community who want to spend whatever it takes to have the high-end. Even if a 150$ card can play any of the games out there at decent framerates with decent settings on a decent monitor, if you want higher resolutions, multi-monitor setups and 60 FPS at least, even a 350$ card will choke. So that's why we have these prices.

Now the problem is that there's not enough of a performance jump for the money in lower segments as witnessed by the recent AMD offerings and I don't see Nvidia improving on this given the price and the estimated performance of their top card. So what I'm saying is that basically we pay the same amount of money for the same performance as last gen or we have to pay much more for a jump in performance. That's the catch here and not the fact that the top cards cost 550$.

I only hope it will support 3 Display connection to one card....................
580 GTX only supports 2, and i have to do SLi for 3 Screens :-(

NdMk2o1oc**ts so basically this was earmarked as as mid range with GK104 being high, though now this is their high range of the 6 series? knew the 50% improvement on like for like basis was to good to be true, so I will now wait for 7 series :banghead:

I don't like this one bit. It's as though we have no more competition, just collaborative hardware pricing or should I say price fixing.

sounds like fermi story again. Top end card having troubles, therefore cores have to be shut-down/disabled in it. Except this time it seems to be bad yields rather than crazy ass out of control temperatures. so looks like the 780 will be the upgrade of the 680 like the 580 was of the 480. Can't wait till the fully enabled 780 then!

@Mindweaver I think this kind of cards are very useful to Let's Play-ers on Youtube. They play lots of games, so this is useful to them. Just look at the system spec from most of the LP-ers, my god..

Edit: They also play the games on max setting, so it kinda makes sense.

My main problem with the rumors of the 680 come primerally in performance/watt. AMD made the 7xxx series all bout performance/watt compared to the last generation, yet while Nvidia was doing worse than AMD last year at performance/watt, and AMD's entire focus this year was to bolster better performance/watt, Nvidia is claiming to have done better... yet Kepler uses shrunk CUDA cores, which Fermi which is known for power inefficiency was the first to implement.
Also, there are rumors that Nvidia is pushing two to three times the transistors on a die size half that of the 580, yet by geometry alone that is impossible without a 3d transistor layout.

Simply put- we don't know which rumors may be true and which are not. While Nvidia did announce earlier they were "disappointed" with GCN, there is nothing which says they truly are. There is no proof to the point, merely a single statement.

Which should AMD cards prove faster, then all it would do is mean that Nvidia was trying to do was keep AMD cards from selling as much as they could. If kepler is so good, why the NDA? Nvidia should be touting benchmarks and proclaim how great their card is, not hide and let rumors abound about their card.

Because of this fact I believe that the 79xx-killer rumors are likely going to be down-turned. By the rumored architecture design, it should prove to be similar to the 7870 in most respects. And the 7870 outperforms the 7970 in Crysis 2. Which also means that AMD likely has driver issues (big surprise?) with the 79xx series.

However, the main thing I am doubting on is the performance/watt, so we'll see how it turns out. All these rumors just play to Nvidia by making people who would otherwise buy AMD now wait until kepler is released to make a decision, which means that AMD won't have quite as high 2st quarter profits. Also note that Nvidia has the NDA held until near the end of the 2st quarter? Seeing as the NDA ends on the 22nd, and the 2nd quarter ends on the 31st. Oh and that means that most people won't hear the news until the end so that means that Nvidia gets to keep AMD profits down.

Think about it. If Kepler is a flop, then this gives Nvidia a little more buffer until they're able to get their mobile cards out, where they have deals with OEMs in place and they're able to start making profit, without loosing too much to AMD in the performance desktop end.

I just want nvidia to release their new cards so i have more choices to leave this 470. Im not going ati though.