beck24And made ten times the profit of AMD doing it , duh.

10 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

TheMailMan7810 times? Link?

Nvidia financials from last quarter
(in millions except per FY12 FY11 FY12 FY11
share data) GAAP GAAP NON-GAAP NON-GAAP
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Revenue $3,997.9 $3,543.3 $3,997.9 $3,543.3
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Gross margin 51.4% 39.8% 51.9% 45.1%
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Operating expenses $1,408.2 $1,153.3 $1,245.7 $1,096.4
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Net income $581.1 $253.1 $734.4 $476.4
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Earnings per share $0.94 $0.43 $1.19 $0.81
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AMD Graphics (2) for all 2011
Net revenue

1,565 million

Net Operating income
51 million
ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=quarterlyearnings
Nvidia vacated IG for several reasons, but one is there was very little profit for them.

TheMailMan7810 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2012-02/nvidia_revenue_split_q4_2011.png

look at full year results, quarter to quarter is too small a view.

According to Steam stats the desktop discreet DX11 video card share with price above $100 is:
AMD ~55%
Nvidia ~45%

A year ago numbers were:
AMD ~65%
Nvidia ~35%

So the situation is better now for Nvidia, but it doesn't have a leadership in gaming segment. 600 series can change the situation, but atm all we know is that the cards won't hit the market for at least a month. And such a rough start doesn't help Nvidia and is not beneficial for all customers.

Nvidia is very successful in workstation video card and HPC segment.

TheMailMan7810 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2012-02/nvidia_revenue_split_q4_2011.png

BTW that is not a loss. They earned less in a quarter but still made a profit. A loss is registered like this (200).

WTF is this FinancePowerUp?

Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

TheMailMan7810 times? Link? Because all I see is a loss.

www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2012-02/nvidia_revenue_split_q4_2011.png

Bottom line Nvidia earned 581 million last full year reporting on 2.75x the revenue.. AMD graphics earned 51 million,
so let's be kind and call it 10X the profit.

beck24Bottom line Nvidia earned 581 million last full year reporting on 2.75x the revenue.. AMD graphics earned 51 million,
so let's be kind and call it 10X the profit.

But its not 10x the profit.

TheMailMan78Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

You're right. Nvidia makes MORE than 10x the profit of AMD graphics.

TheMailMan78Fact Nvidia has lost market share.
Fact Nvidia has lost profit from this.
Fact Nvidia does not make 10x as much profit then AMD.

finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=amd
finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=NVDA

10x 51 million is 510 million. That's LESS than 581 million.

beck24You're right. Nvidia makes MORE than 10x the profit of AMD graphics.

How in the hell is 14.54% vs 7.48% profit margin "10x" the profit?

Profit margin /= total profit. ;)

TheMailMan78How in the hell is 14.54% vs 7.48% profit margin "10x" the profit?

You need a doctor. AMD graphics division made 51 million in profit. Read their OWN financials, please.
Nvidia graphics made 581 million. It's not complicated. Profits are counted in dollars.

beck24You need a doctor. AMD graphics division made 51 million in profit. Read their OWN financials, please.
Nvidia graphics made 581 million. It's not complicated. Profits are counted in dollars.

You apparently do not know how finances work. 14.54% vs 7.48% is not 10 times. I'm done schooling you.

TheMailMan78You apparently do not know how finances work.

Go get an MBA and so you can understand what net income is, LOL. Apparently the concept mystifies you.

TheMailMan78You apparently do not know how finances work. 14.54% vs 7.48% is not 10 times. I'm done schooling you.

Profit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what? :slap: :D

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

beck24Go get an MBA and so you can understand what net income is, LOL. Apparently the concept mystifies you.

So first we defy they lost market share which is what the argument was about. When I proved you wrong we went to profit. When I showed you the profit margin wasnt "10 times" we went to total profit. You changed the argument base until you "won". Enjoy.

EarthDogProfit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what? :slap: :D

This isnt what the argument was about.

EarthDogProfit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what? :slap: :D

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

:) Thanks. Couldn't be simpler. cheers mate

EarthDogProfit MARGIN is not TOTAL profit. He is going off TOTAL profit numbers while you are stuck on margins.

Profit margin = Nvidia over ATI by almost 2x
Total profit = Nvidia over ATI by alomst 10x.

Done doing what? :slap: :D

EDIT: This is High School level stuff beck (sorry MM)!

Are you going by the consolidated net income to get that 581m in profit?

Mailman you are talking about gross margin, not profits. Profits = revenue - expenses. And Nvidia did have 10x the profits last year.

EDIT: I see it's been said already, I didn't want to go through all the posts. Sorry.

Declining discrete sales over all dont forget.
Nv is the world leader in discrete cards its not even a race really
Also Its not like just cus a few guys got 7970's or 4 amd is gaining it back
$375+USD cards are less then 1% of the market so even if amd or nv sell twice that card market then noarmal it will not bring market share at all.

But i dont know what that has to do with the new nv card at all, same as people going into say a cod thread and say it sucks or bf3 is better?

BenetanegiaMailman you are talking about gross margin, not profits. Profits = revenue - expenses. And Nvidia did have 10x the profits last year.

EDIT: I see it's been said already, I didn't want to go through all the posts. Sorry.

Yeah and Im looking at all the market reports and Im not seeing the 10 times as much. This is why Im asking how they are getting these numbers.

Amd does not separate between vga/cpu division so its really hard to say whats whats,i feel it has no bearing at all anyway.
Does it make a differance?
The Yankees sold the most tickets last year it does not make them the best baseball team right?
oh wait it does lol j/k

TheMailMan78Yeah and Im looking at all the market reports and Im not seeing the 10 times as much. This is why Im asking how they are getting these numbers.

How so? They have told you several times. $581 million vs $51 million, is more than 10x.

pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/NVIDIA-Reports-Q4-and-FY2012-Earnings-Tegra-3-28nm-Kepler

FY2012 was a strong year overall for NVIDIA though. They say gross revenue rose to $4 billion with a net income of $581.1 million, which is over double that of FY2011. Gross margins went from 39.8% in FY2011 to 51.4% in FY2012. The company appears steady in how they handle business and keep costs down. It was a good year with solid growth across all divisions.

And market share:

techreport.com/discussions.x/22543