LOL HumanSmoke that was funny.

Cortex - come on dude please. Really?

Don't argue with NewTekie1, he is always right about Nvidia and AMD. (Yes I Went there) but honestly he isn't usually too far off base so I have to give him that overall they are evenly matched.

Personally, love this idea and it is something that should have been done forever. That should mean that when I want to move from my 6870 to a 7870/7970 that the price increase won't be such a shell shocker and will be more affordable. Honestly my single 6870 (slightly oc'd) runs everything I want to at 1920x1080 very nicely with no issues, stuttering, etc. I hope this leads to the monthly driver releases or at least better driver releases from AMD. I miss my monthly driver upgrades even if it is more for a product/game I don't have than what I Do. I tend to notice newer drives makes everything better especially games and power consumption. One thing I wish they would do is allow the GPU rendering (encoding/decoding) bit to do a lot more file types and containers. I have yet to actually be able to use it because even for files I believe it uses it won't let me use it and it pisses me off :roll::banghead:

I thought quoting Fudzilla was, uhm like not good as they aren't real news? LOL.

De das Dude - that would be cool for once. I honestly wish AMD would try a shader clock or something different.

I don't care for the Titan if nvidia doesn't lower clocks it's gonna eat 300+watts and if they lower the clock it won't beat the 690 or 7990 so thats that, and this news is great because I was starting to get worried that my 7970Ghz would be a midrange card. I guess since the PS4/720 are only gonna be the equivalent of a mid range gaming PC then there is no point in releasing even more overpowered GPUs that would have nothing to as 1 7970 can run most games maxed out on 5760x1200(And few people have this many screens) at 30fps.

cadavecaLike I hate to be a realist here, but really, there's no reason for any of the mystery here. NONE. the only [geforce titan] mystery is final clockspeeds.

nope.. just wait and see

As long as I keep seeing these very good driver improvements with my current card, I'm a happy happy man. Resale value should stay higher as well... which kinda sucks if I want to pick up a used 2nd card for CrossFire. I just hope we'll see a couple neat "specialty" cards from AMD before the end of the year.

My 7850 is rockin' on my 19" lcd with 1280x1024 resolution. :) The two free games I got with the card are icing on the cake. AMD makes good products. Taking time to fine tune their drivers and let their gpu's mature is fine with me. Espically with the sweet game bundless AMD is giving out. Far Cry 3 and now Tomb Raider. :rockout:

erockerAs long as I keep seeing these very good driver improvements with my current card, I'm a happy happy man. Resale value should stay higher as well... which kinda sucks if I want to pick up a used 2nd card for CrossFire. I just hope we'll see a couple neat "specialty" cards from AMD before the end of the year.

That's what I'm thinking this whole thing is.. they know they're going to get a good amount come back because of the new systems, plus the effects that they've probably put all the r&d into the consoles alone.. Nvidia showed off "shield".. So, AMD knows that they probably need to work on the branching aspect as well.. They even lost a good amount last year... They probably believe it's better to wait a year than to just throw something out, then slash prices left and right to try and "sell" what units they've projected to sell..

[just my 2 cents]

W1zzardnope.. just wait and see

:respect::respect::respect:

W1zzardnope.. just wait and see

While they improve the current architecture, who knows! I bet we'll see a few more dual GPU cards, or something similar, or... perhaps multicore fabs?

erockerAs long as I keep seeing these very good driver improvements with my current card, I'm a happy happy man. Resale value should stay higher as well... which kinda sucks if I want to pick up a used 2nd card for CrossFire. I just hope we'll see a couple neat "specialty" cards from AMD before the end of the year.

They either:

Landed on a leap-frog development that will really impress by late '13 or early '14 or.... have no spades up their sleeve, other than scaling the existing chips.

Either way th 7xxx series is rocking!

Maybe the industry is just slowing things down, or they have many 7000s in stock still.

My worst fear is that this is just another indication of AMD's bad financial state.

HumanSmokeGiven the recent article about AMD's possible implementation of dynamic boost, I'm going to crystal ball gaze and say that AMD will re-release (again) the HD 7000 series...

BEHOLD! The HD 7970 GRIMACE (GHz Raised Incrementally- a MHz Added Collectors Edition) :laugh:

Yeah, I think that would make everyone grimace.

Cold StormNvidia showed off "shield".. So, AMD knows that they probably need to work on the branching aspect as well.. They even lost a good amount last year... They probably believe it's better to wait a year than to just throw something out, then slash prices left and right to try and "sell" what units they've projected to sell..

[just my 2 cents]

When Nvidia revealed Project Shield it was a double edge sword. They wanted to gain credibility with Project Shield since they didnt secure any of the 3 console contracts but they ended up hurthing themselves.

The fact that Tegra 4 needed a passive heat-sink turned off a few potential buyers from the mobile industry. They since lost Nexus and Windows Surface contracts.
It didnt help much that Samsung Octa and Qualcomm new offering had a 40-60% performance increase and can do 4k. So whos going to take a risk on putting a Tegra 4 A15x4 that might need a heat-sink into there desing rather then a proven or the newer more power effecient SoC that are much faster. The Tegra 4 was already hurting going into SEC with rumour that it couldnt even compete with Apples A6. So they didnt do themselves any favors when they introduced Project Shield with a heat-sink on Tegra 4.

I don't know why everyone is so sure Titan is a single gpu card...

KashunatoRI don't know why everyone is so sure Titan is a single gpu card...

. . . . . . . . . .:wtf:

maybe because we already have Dual GK104 and Dual GK110 is not gonna happen when not a single Geforce GK110 card is out+restrictions.

You know that as soon as Nvidia releases TITAN

AMD will respond like this

Well good for you AMD. But now I have only one choice and go buy the Titan. Fastest single GPU card with massive margin to HD 7970?, yes it is damn worth the price and I gladly pay it. 8800 Ultra once again.

DarkOCeanObviously i was not not lucky enough to be born in a more civilized country like you (in the god forsaken place where i live 7950's are at least $500-$600 and the ones that actually come with a game are even higher) otherwise i wouldnt bitching around about it.



even this shows them equal.
tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/ARES_II/images/perfrel.gif

Yeah, that is the graph I posted originally, and he responded with "OMG! Relative performance is stoopid! Look at these cherry picked game numbers, they proves HD7970 is better!"

the54thvoidThe 7970 basic version is slower than the GTX680. However the clocks are so differentiated it hurts. Nvidia (in the past few years) has always released gfx cards clocked slower than ATI. But due to their monolithic die size and transistor counts, tended to perform quite a bit better than ATI.

Don't forget that, in the past, nVidia used hot clocks while AMD stuck with linking the core and shader clock speeds 1:1. So while nVidia's card's cores were clocked lower than AMD, often times their shaders, which do all the real grunt work, were clocked at least double the cores. So with the GTX580 and HD6970, for example, the HD6970 was clocked at 880MHz while the GTX580 was only clocked at 772MHz. However, the GTX580's shaders ran at 1544MHz. That was a big part of where nVidia got their performance from.

the54thvoidThis time AMD released the 7970 with clocks that were far too conservative. Nvidia (more than likely) made great use of their usual, late to the table, card by tweaking the clocks skyward. Why else are they voltage locked? Adaptive V-sync and the massive clocks are more than likely reaching their boards power limits.

AMD react with their GHz edition cards (lame quite frankly). Now the 7970 clocked at the boost speeds of the 680 does tend to win on most occasions. But on Nvidia's side is a 'generally' better driver team. If AMD piled their resources into driver development and created better gaming development strategies (like Nvidia does) you;d probably see the 7970 cards humping all over the 680.

Actually, I think nVidia was very ready with the card, but waited for AMD to make the move so they would know what they had to compete against. The weak showing by AMD this round is why nVidia ended up releasing what they planned to be a mid-range card as the actual high end card. They didn't need to release GK110 so they held it back to retaliate against whatever AMD had planned next. The lame step of simply boosting clock speeds meant nVidia didn't really need to retaliate.

the54thvoidThe 7970 is a much more powerful card than the 680 but it is far less refined. For a change Nvidia have the sleek purring kitten and AMD has the brute growler. A card is only as good as it's hardware AND software and AMD have the hardware battle won for now but not the software one.

However, if the GTX Titan is not a myth then it will more than likely piss over the 7970. But, given the rumours it will only be for show. It will be like the Ares 2 7970 card.

I wouldn't even say AMD has the better hardware right now because GK110 is a much more powerful card hardware wise, but nVidia hasn't had a need to release it with the HD7970 and the GTX680 being so close in performance and price.

I doubt Titan will just be for show. Normally cards that are just for show are super expensive to produce. However, given the specs of GK110, it won't be any more expensive to produce than an HD7970.

the54thvoidAlso, to add to what many sensible people have said, there is no need for new gfx cards this year. The 680 and the 7970 are excellent cards. Driver tweaking will keep them well up to speed with all the new games.

It is a sign of confidence to not rush out a new product - not weakness. And the Titan is simply a technology argument from Nvidia (probably a very bloody good one too).

Both AMD and Nvidia have done enough with graphics recently. They need to sit back and work on other areas now, software, mobile, coding assistance. I'd much rather keep a card that can work on new games because they're coded better than have to buy new cards because of substandard coding.

I find playing BF3 at 2560x1440 with ALL FX maxed out with 80-100+ fps is more than enough on two 7970's. Why the hell do i want more powerful cards?

Though I might downgrade to Titan......

I have to agree, I think the market is getting tired of the accelerated product releases.

SasquiWhile they improve the current architecture, who knows! I bet we'll see a few more dual GPU cards, or something similar, or... perhaps multicore fabs?



They either:

Landed on a leap-frog development that will really impress by late '13 or early '14 or.... have no spades up their sleeve, other than scaling the existing chips.

Either way th 7xxx series is rocking!

amd is working on a dynamic overclocking method in their drivers according to some rumors on the web, that alone might give them a bigger boost than we might think, or allow lower power consumption figures and what not
so while many mentioned the misleading benchmark for 3dmark well i say its not biased, its very accurate, because it truly reflects the capability of GCN under a good optimized environment, and while that might not be the case with game it remains better off for amd to take out the best of what they have before they release a new generation while the first gen gcn didnt even stretch its legs yet. so closer developer relationship that were seeing already so its good, and more serious driver updates that we are also seeing, amd is totaly on the right track here

newtekie1I doubt Titan will just be for show. Normally cards that are just for show are super expensive to produce. However, given the specs of GK110, it won't be any more expensive to produce than an HD7970.

You forget Tahiti is 365mm2. GK110 is 550mm2. Size alone makes the GK110 44% more expensive.

If your going by dates then even tape-out Tahiti has 6+ months of maturity in fab process. Thats another cost reducing measure in Tahitis favor.

I dont see how that was ever a comparison.

Meh doesn't worry me at all. I only upgrade my cards every 4-5yrs anyway and with all these console ports I think I got it covered for along time yet.

With this "Titan" card, its Nvidia, they hate having the slower card, they do it all the time, and its good for marketing also to claim they have the fastest single GPU bla bla bla, what's new honestly? and 99% of people wont buy it, its to expensive. I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

A somewhat interesting update on Titan:
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-titan-listing-reveals-6-gb-512bit-memory-915-mhz-core-1019-mhz-boost-clocks/

BigMack70A somewhat interesting update on Titan:
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-titan-listing-reveals-6-gb-512bit-memory-915-mhz-core-1019-mhz-boost-clocks/

lol, $1600.

the54thvoidlol, $1600.

For that price it better come bundled with Project Shield :laugh:

You'll notice he said US based retailer. Weird cause its based in Australia. Since when did US aquire Australia. Did I miss something ?

BigMack70A somewhat interesting update on Titan:
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-titan-listing-reveals-6-gb-512bit-memory-915-mhz-core-1019-mhz-boost-clocks/

Doesn't show anything that isn't already rumored. That website is wrong way too often to be considered relevant unfortunately.

based on the previous telsa releases I expected 900mhz but not 1000+, will wait for more trustworthy source.

progstei'm okay with this if the performance leap between each series is higher

I see one benefit to this, games will have a chance to be properly optimised with a familiar GPU Architecture, the HD 7000 series.

I am still sticking to my guns, and waiting for HD 8900 Series. I always skip a generation and the HD 7900 was that skip. Unless of course the cards go down in price a lot. :D

BigMack70A somewhat interesting update on Titan:
wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-titan-listing-reveals-6-gb-512bit-memory-915-mhz-core-1019-mhz-boost-clocks/

Firstly, as has been mentioned...it's WCCF :laugh:
Secondly, seems strange that the Titan is being attributed the exact same clocks as the GTX 690
Thirdly, online (r)etail have a history of gouging on price ( €700 for a HD 7970 for example)
Fourthly, 512MB bus width? really? So Nvidia disabled two 64-bit controllers for a Tesla card where bandwidth is paramount, yet will enable them for a consumer card that likely would benefit less from the increased bandwidth in gaming. OK.