Saturday, April 6th 2013

Intel Fixes 8-series Chipset USB 3.0 Erratum

Intel issued a product-change notification (PCN) to partners in the motherboard industry, informing them of a new C2 stepping of the 8-series "Lynx Point" chipset. The stepping introduces a metal layers change that fixes the USB 3.0 remuneration erratum, which causes devices plugged in to USB 3.0 ports to fail to reinitialize after waking up from sleep states such as S3, requiring uses to unplug and replug them, which could get particularly irritating for people with external RAID devices that rely on USB 3.0 for host connectivity.

According to the PCN, the first socket LGA1150 motherboards in the market may not feature C2-stepping chipset. It predicts samples to be available to motherboard manufacturers by April 19, 2013; availability of qualification data (when Intel has finalized design after taking feedback from partners), by July 1 2013; customers should be ready to receive C2-stepping chips by July 31. These dates indicate that the very first batches of socket LGA1150 motherboards will still feature C1-stepping chipset that are affected by the erratum, and if you can't live with it, you should ideally wait until late-August or mid-September for the first motherboards with C2-stepping chipset to make it to the markets. Intel expects to launch its 4th generation Core "Haswell" processors and compatible LGA1150 motherboards by mid-June.
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40 Comments on Intel Fixes 8-series Chipset USB 3.0 Erratum

#1
TRWOV
LOL it's the B3 thing again
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#2
LAN_deRf_HA
I think they underestimate how much people don't want to buy defective products. I'd say that would only matter for enthusiasts since we're the only ones that will know about it, but when they're cramming these into laptops and other machines that sleep a lot even the average consumer will have reason to bitch. Recall shit now, not after it hits the market a-holes.
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cadaveca
My name is Dave
by: TRWOV
LOL it's the B3 thing again
Yes, first run boards will have B2 chipsets, maybe. Maybe not.

by: LAN_deRf_HA
I think they underestimate how much people don't want to buy defective products. I'd say that would only matter for enthusiasts since we're the only ones that will know about it, but when they're cramming these into laptops and other machines that sleep a lot even the average consumer will have reason to bitch. Recall shit now, not after it hits the market a-holes.
Technically, the entire market is built around selling defective parts. I mean...you're asking a bit much.


But I 100% agree. However.. say goodbye to overclocking. For real. Not like it's really gonna last long anyway, at least, not in it's current state. I think we'll be back to soldering stuff soon, and I won't mind that one bit. I very much want OC guaranteed completely, or removed completely.


People want progress to fast though. What will happen si that we wil lhit the physical limit, with poor quality, for transistor design, and then it'll be perfected, perhaps @ 12nm. That's not that far away.
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#4
TRWOV
^ If anyone, it's hp, Dell, et al whom have to worry. People won't think "hey, this Intel chipset doesn't work", they see the laptop/pc as a whole so they'll blame hp, Dell, et al for their troubles.

edit: cadaveca ninjaed a post in between :toast:
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#5
The Von Matrices
Is it unusual to be on the 3rd major version of the chipset (i.e. "C")? I can only remember Intel having A and B chipset (not processor) steppings before. I would think that having to do two major revisions of the chipset would have been responsible for a large delay. Am I reading too much into this?
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#6
james888
by: cadaveca
think we'll be back to soldering stuff soon, and I won't mind that one bit. I very much want OC guaranteed completely, or removed completely.
But but but I suck with a soldering iron. You want me to have great difficulty in overclocking?
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#7
Protagonist
This is good news, but I'd rather have the product later when its all fixed. i don't like having a product knowing that it is defective and if I perform certain actions then the problem creeps up.

If I were Intel i would delay the launch till issue is ironed out, its not that the 4th gen & 8 series chipset are that better than what people currently have, just my opinion.

Or they should work faster and deliver the C2 to all consumer parts that they will be launching on June.
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#8
1c3d0g
The general population doesn't care about overclocking. Hell, they don't even know what it is! I hate to say it, but I won't be sorry either when that possibility ceases to exist on future platforms. :ohwell:

Back then when computers in general were incredibly slow it was worth the risk (shorter lifespan, general instability, etc.). Nowadays, nobody overclocks their equipment anymore if they care about the warranty. Plus the industry as a whole has shifted focus to mobile systems - no overclocking a tablet, let alone a cell phone.

Maybe I'm getting old, but it's time to move on to more worthwhile endeavours.
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MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
by: 1c3d0g
The general population doesn't care about overclocking. Hell, they don't even know what it is! I hate to say it, but I won't be sorry either when that possibility ceases to exist on future platforms. :ohwell:

Back then when computers in general were incredibly slow it was worth the risk (shorter lifespan, general instability, etc.). Nowadays, nobody overclocks their equipment anymore if they care about the warranty. Plus the industry as a whole has shifted focus to mobile systems - no overclocking a tablet, let alone a cell phone.

Maybe I'm getting old, but it's time to move on to more worthwhile endeavours.
You can overclock an Android phone just fine. :D
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Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
by: james888
But but but I suck with a soldering iron. You want me to have great difficulty in overclocking?
I have hundreds of NIC's you can have. For practice. ;)

by: 1c3d0g
The general population doesn't care about overclocking. Hell, they don't even know what it is! I hate to say it, but I won't be sorry either when that possibility ceases to exist on future platforms. :ohwell:

Back then when computers in general were incredibly slow it was worth the risk (shorter lifespan, general instability, etc.). Nowadays, nobody overclocks their equipment anymore if they care about the warranty. Plus the industry as a whole has shifted focus to mobile systems - no overclocking a tablet, let alone a cell phone.

Maybe I'm getting old, but it's time to move on to more worthwhile endeavours.
Yeah computers are so fast it's no use anymore. A computer from 2007 (Core 2 Duo) with upgraded memory is still more than enough for most people. It would be more than enough for me even :laugh: It is purely a hobby nowadays.
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#11
TRWOV
I have my Nokia E70 oced to 250Mhz :peace:
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#12
james888
by: Frick
I have hundreds of NIC's you can have. For practice. ;)



Yeah computers are so fast it's no use anymore. A computer from 2007 (Core 2 Duo) with upgraded memory is still more than enough for most people. It would be more than enough for me even :laugh: It is purely a hobby nowadays.
Ha ha... ya...

If a user wants to overclock why not give them the tools. Maybe the cpu is enough maybe they need a bit more oomph if they want it.
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#13
Jorge
It's amazing that Intel continues to sell defective products...and that some people are foolish enough to buy them.
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#14
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
by: james888
Ha ha... ya...

If a user wants to overclock why not give them the tools. Maybe the cpu is enough maybe they need a bit more oomph if they want it.
Why should they? And again, if you really really "need" that extra oomph you probably do that sort of thing professionally and should be able to buy faster systems anyway.

by: Jorge
It's amazing that Intel continues to sell defective products...and that some people are foolish enough to buy them.
Continue? Have they done something defective before?
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#15
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
Sweet. Don't mind waiting for the C2 revision at all. Was planning to upgrade to Haswell in about August anyways.

by: Frick
Why should they? And again, if you really really "need" that extra oomph you probably do that sort of thing professionally and should be able to buy faster systems anyway.



Continue? Have they done something defective before?
Yes, P67 had some issues as well, but it was fixed with the B3 stepping, and vendors were doing hassle free exchanges for consumers defective boards if they had a B2 revision.
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#16
robE
what i don`t understand is that if i buy a c1 revision board, i won`t be eligible for an RMA when c2 will come out ? or it`s all up to vendors ? :confused:
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#17
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
To be honest, if in the future you have to do some soldering and physical tinkering to overclock I would be interested again.
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james888
by: Frick
Why should they? And again, if you really really "need" that extra oomph you probably do that sort of thing professionally and should be able to buy faster systems anyway.
For myself, my 4.5ghz 2500k is barely enough for maximum settings with good fps for really just one game I play. Yes I like my maximum settings. There is no stock processor that fast for single threaded applications. The game as is requires a lot of single threaded performance.

I may be taking a reach here but it can't be that much more money/time to put overclocking to be done easily. I If the cpu can be overclocked, why not let it. Why make something hard when it does not have to be. Those who have the knowledge/desire to overclock can and those who don't wont. It would understand if the cpu just was not designed to run beyond a certain speed.
To be honest, if in the future you have to do some soldering and physical tinkering to overclock I would be interested again.
Why would you be more interested in it if it required that? It sounds like you find current overclocking methods boring.
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HammerON
The Watchful Moderator
by: Frick
To be honest, if in the future you have to do some soldering and physical tinkering to overclock I would be interested again.
I didn't start over clocking until the C2 Duo came out. I tried on the AMD Athlon 64 (socket 754 and 939 series) however I was unsuccessful as I bought the wrong motherboard(s). I have never had to solder anything as of yet and really hope I never have to:)
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#20
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
by: james888
For myself, my 4.5ghz 2500k is barely enough for maximum settings with good fps for really just one game I play. Yes I like my maximum settings. There is no stock processor that fast for single threaded applications. The game as is requires a lot of single threaded performance.

I may be taking a reach here but it can't be that much more money/time to put overclocking to be done easily. I If the cpu can be overclocked, why not let it. Why make something hard when it does not have to be. Those who have the knowledge/desire to overclock can and those who don't wont. It would understand if the cpu just was not designed to run beyond a certain speed.


Why would you be more interested in it if it required that? It sounds like you find current overclocking methods boring.
What game is that? Could it be the game is poorly optimized?

And yeah, that is about it. I like soldering, and it would seperate the men from the boys. :p
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#21
buggalugs
by: 1c3d0g


Back then when computers in general were incredibly slow it was worth the risk (shorter lifespan, general instability, etc.). Nowadays, nobody overclocks their equipment anymore if they care about the warranty. .
lol. Not sure if that's a joke or you're serious. If you're serious you don't know what you're talking about.

Most of the motherboards/graphics makers Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, Asrock etc advertise their boards as overclocking boards, they provide you with the tools and settings to be able to overclock. On some of them you can even use the "one click" overclocking where the motherboard will test and find your max stable settings.

Many graphics card are default overclocked out of the box. On modern motherboards the max Intel memory spec is 1600Mhz but most boards say they accept up to like 2400Mhz- 2800Mhz memory.

Do you really think they will knock your warranty back if you're overclocking? Well, they don't. Over the years I have RMA'd many different computer parts for me and others. Not once have they asked me if I was overclocking or made any claims about overclocking voiding the warranty.

Overclocking is quite safe(if you know how to do it), you can even do it with default stock voltage so there is almost zero risk in that case.

Even stock Intel systems in computers and mobile devices have built in overclocking. A modern CPU is advertised as like 3.4Ghz with turbo(overclocking) up to 3.9Ghz. Same with graphics cards have boost another form of built in overclocking.

Sorry, but it just sounds like you don't know what you're talking about on many levels.

Anyway back on topic, I don't know how Intel could make this mistake again, and I don't know how they expect to sell the faulty chipsets on the market. At least last time they let people exchange their boards for the new revision.
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#22
james888
by: Frick
What game is that? Could it be the game is poorly optimized?

And yeah, that is about it. I like soldering, and it would seperate the men from the boys. :p
It is natural selection 2, in my sig. To be honest there are some optimization issues but it mostly has to do with the game being written in lua. Lua is single threaded etc etc etc. There is only like 9 developers being that it is and indie team, and only 3-4 work on optimization I think. The point is that the game as is requires a lot of single threaded performance. If I wanted to play that game with maximum settings with good fps then I am required to overclock.

Im sure it is no small sum that those few of us who do overclock do it only for epeen. Separate the men from the boys... So you want it to be more difficult so you can feel special being one of the elite soldering pc master race.

I guess I could just suck it up and actually learn how to solder, but why should I have to when it could be so easily done with out it. Why do we need to separate the men from the boys?

Even phones which is where computing is heading are pretty easy to overclock if it is not locked down.
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#23
RejZoR
by: cadaveca
Yes, first run boards will have B2 chipsets, maybe. Maybe not.



Technically, the entire market is built around selling defective parts. I mean...you're asking a bit much.


But I 100% agree. However.. say goodbye to overclocking. For real. Not like it's really gonna last long anyway, at least, not in it's current state. I think we'll be back to soldering stuff soon, and I won't mind that one bit. I very much want OC guaranteed completely, or removed completely.


People want progress to fast though. What will happen si that we wil lhit the physical limit, with poor quality, for transistor design, and then it'll be perfected, perhaps @ 12nm. That's not that far away.
Eh? You want a guaranteed overclock? It's called "buying a higher end CPU model". For low and mid end, no one guarantees you anything but in most cases you can get massive free gains. So what you're saying is "i don't want overclocking, i want only high end CPU's". Sorry, but i can't agree with you.

In the entire history of computing, Commodore II C-64 was the only PC that i didn't overclock. Celeron 333MHz was overclocked, AMD Thunderbird 1GHz got overclocked, AthlonXP 2400+ got overclocked, E4300, E5200 and now Core i7 920 all got overclocked.
Hell, a local computer shop even specifically supplied the D0 stepping Core i7's for a tiny higher price but then you almost got a guaranteed higher overclock. And i think i paid extra 10 EUR for it. Goes up to 4,2GHz no problem at 1,25-1,28V last time i checked but i run it at 4GHz because of the power saving. Overclocking is great and its one of the reasons why i love PC's. You invest tiny amount of extra money and some time and you can get gains that are otherwise several hundred bucks in hardware that is higher end out of the factory.
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#24
Ferrum Master
by: cadaveca

But I 100% agree. However.. say goodbye to overclocking. For real. Not like it's really gonna last long anyway, at least, not in it's current state. I think we'll be back to soldering stuff soon, and I won't mind that one bit. I very much want OC guaranteed completely, or removed completely.
Intel Blinded you? xD.

Haven't seen an open source ARM device that isn't completely capable of OC.... AMD is still alive too... so I am still hoping for x86 to stop monopoly and bring in some competition from other sides.

Erratas are normal thing - nothing is perfect, we are not Gods and everything made by men can be broken, though most could be eliminated with much more stepping in R/D phase like in the older days, they are very lazy now, acting like robbers offering the same performance package for since LGA1366... no solid revolution offering 2x performance boost. Just some minor instruction sets, and the whole chip becomes cheaper for them to make, but it doesn't change the retail price for us also... just plain money milking machine...

And btw you remember that on ancient times we oc'ed by changing clock gen crystals? So where is the problem? OC is a privilegy for those who can and know, not for those who buy a K series CPU and simply toggle the multiplier up... it feels like cheating...
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#25
Steevo
by: Frick
Why should they? And again, if you really really "need" that extra oomph you probably do that sort of thing professionally and should be able to buy faster systems anyway.



Continue? Have they done something defective before?
Most of us are waiting on software to catch up with SMP.


So if you could get that taken care of that would be great.......


/holds coffee cup


yeah.....
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