so, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

TheinsanegamerNso, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

Noway:slap:

drdeathxNoway:slap:

yes way. :nutkick:

amd 8000 series gpu are re-badge
amd 9000 series cpu are re-badge
why is anyone surprised by this

Batou1986amd 8000 series gpu are re-badge

show me

drdeathxNoway:slap:

TheinsanegamerNyes way. :nutkick:

Bogus! :clap:

Just carryin' on the "Excellent Adventure"! :rockout:

tt_martinshow me

The mobile hd8xx0 are respins of current silicone

Which reminds me weren't they supposed to show the 8000 series re-badges at e3?

LAN_deRf_HAWhich reminds me weren't they supposed to show the 8000 series re-badges at e3?

Dell already sells them, FYI.

tt_martinshow me

Check out Alienware desktops. Or:


www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/8000/pages/8000-series.aspx#3

^^
For full specification lsitings, direct from AMD, site has been up for months now. HD 8970 and HD 8950 have been shipping in Alienware desktops for a while now, too. Lenovo also sells them.

TheinsanegamerNso, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

The original thread said that it only boosts to 5ghz. Welcome to the thread :laugh:

It was always reported that the FX-9590 would run @ 5.0 GHz. in Turbo mode, not as a base clock. I don't believe the 220w is actually TDP but in fact total consumed power, which is not the same as TDP. Many people including me are running OC'd FX-8350's @ 4.7+ GHZ. on highend air cooling and even under 25 hours of P95 stress testing the CPU does not overheat. There is no reason to think the actual TDP on the FX-9590 is above 165w, IME.

Thus I don't believe these chips will need a new mobo nor special cooling. Highend AM3+ mobo's with good VRM circuits are not having issues @ 4.7+ GHz. with Vishera so I expect them to run the FX-9590 without issue. If OC'ers want to try and run these at more than 5.2 GHz. then chilled water or more exotic cooling would be in order, but not for gaming or typical desktop use, IMO. I expect the gaming PC providers will use CLC cooling to up the price and make their wares seem "exotic" to those who don't know that extensive testing has confirmed that most CLCs are actually thermally inferior to highend HSFs.

Kudos to AMD for delivering the first 5.0 GHz. x86 based desktop processor for consumer PCs.

200w tdp... thats a bit of a punch to the stomach.

drdeathxNoway:slap:

i have seen 4350s and 4100s hit 5ghz. :/ :slap:

de.das.dudei have seen 4350s and 4100s hit 5ghz. :/ :slap:

Yes but they ain't 8-core CPUs. ;) it takes a lot to run an 8-core X86 based CPU @ 5.0 GHz. not overclocked.

Folks are OC'ing FX-8350's to 5.0 GHz. on occasion and many to 4.7 GHz. as a std. operating frequency.

more mayhem madness

m1dg3tThe mobile hd8xx0 are respins of current silicon

ftfy
silicone is the stuff you put in boob XD

TheinsanegamerNso, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

you do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.

de.das.dudeyou do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.

That's not always true...The entire K8 series would typically clock the same.

de.das.dudeyou do understand that the higher the stock clock the more it will overclock?

this is always a certain % you are sure to get out of a CPU. around 15-30% of the stock clock.

I highly doubt that people will be able to get 10% more (P95 stable), from the FX-9590's when OC'd, unless they use chilled water or better cooling. I'm sure these are very carefully binned CPUs.

JorgeIt was always reported that the FX-9590 would run @ 5.0 GHz. in Turbo mode, not as a base clock. I don't believe the 220w is actually TDP but in fact total consumed power, which is not the same as TDP. Many people including me are running OC'd FX-8350's @ 4.7+ GHZ. on highend air cooling and even under 25 hours of P95 stress testing the CPU does not overheat. There is no reason to think the actual TDP on the FX-9590 is above 165w, IME.

Thus I don't believe these chips will need a new mobo nor special cooling. Highend AM3+ mobo's with good VRM circuits are not having issues @ 4.7+ GHz. with Vishera so I expect them to run the FX-9590 without issue. If OC'ers want to try and run these at more than 5.2 GHz. then chilled water or more exotic cooling would be in order, but not for gaming or typical desktop use, IMO. I expect the gaming PC providers will use CLC cooling to up the price and make their wares seem "exotic" to those who don't know that extensive testing has confirmed that most CLCs are actually thermally inferior to highend HSFs.

Kudos to AMD for delivering the first 5.0 GHz. x86 based desktop processor for consumer PCs.

No AMD stock heatsink would handle this type of clock speed. A tower style 120mm heatsink is special cooling. Try fitting that into a retail CPU box, it isn't going to happen.

They really only have two option for retail release. Put the processor out without a heatsink, or bundle their AIO water cooler with them. Both have been done with varying success before.

newtekie1No AMD stock heatsink would handle this type of clock speed. A tower style 120mm heatsink is special cooling. Try fitting that into a retail CPU box, it isn't going to happen.

They really only have two option for retail release. Put the processor out without a heatsink, or bundle their AIO water cooler with them. Both have been done with varying success before.

No one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.

JorgeNo one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.

Or sell it like they sell some of the opterons WOF.

JorgeNo one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.

No one said a tower cooler wouldn't cool the FX-9590. However, a tower cooler or an AIO Liquid cooler are both special coolers. Your claim was that no special cooler would be required, which is wrong. If no special cooler was required then the stock AMD heatsink would be sufficient. I'd like to see you run an Vishera at 5.0GHz on the standard stock AMD heatsink to back up your assertion that no special cooling would be required.

newtekie1No one said a tower cooler wouldn't cool the FX-9590. However, a tower cooler or an AIO Liquid cooler are both special coolers. Your claim was that no special cooler would be required, which is wrong. If no special cooler was required then the stock AMD heatsink would be sufficient. I'd like to see you run an Vishera at 5.0GHz on the standard stock AMD heatsink to back up your assertion that no special cooling would be required.

I still like the less expensive WOF option :laugh:

cdawallI still like the less expensive WOF option :laugh:

I agree actually.

JorgeNo one said anything about a "stock AMD heatsink". This CPU is special and I expect that if AMD decides to sell it retail then they will bundle it with a CLC type cooler as they offered for the FX-8150. There are several tower coolers that will cool the FX-9590. I don't think packaging a cooler with this CPU is an issue. To prevent some people from using an insufficient cooling system, AMD may just sell the FX-9590 as a bundle if they decide at all to sell it retail.

From what i heard there will be no Retail of this cpu, it will only be sold as part of a system. So that board and cooling can be controlled due to the amount of power this cpu is said to need. Not every AM3 board will be able to provide the power this things needs to run. And AMD has been selling some their CPU's with branded water coolers so i would expect that to be what comes with it.

TheinsanegamerNso, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

so does that mean intel chips dont run at 3.5/3.6ghz as they only turbo to it too?

:nutkick:

arbiterFrom what i heard there will be no Retail of this cpu, it will only be sold as part of a system. So that board and cooling can be controlled due to the amount of power this cpu is said to need. Not every AM3 board will be able to provide the power this things needs to run. And AMD has been selling some their CPU's with branded water coolers so i would expect that to be what comes with it.

Newegg gets OEM CPU's pretty consistently now. They are sold WOF (yet again) in a plastic sleeve with a little brand sticker. There is no reason this CPU cannot be sold that way. Also even if it is not dropped into retail channels ebay sellers typically don't care. Hence were I got my OEM only CPU.

TheinsanegamerNso, its not a 5 ghz chip, but rather a 4.7 ghz chip that can turbo to 5 ghz? and the 8350 can already hit that speed via overclocking... :banghead:

But 90% of PC users don't overclock.... unless of course you have a perosanl contract with AMD??