KantasticYour choice of language tells me you're a hardcore AMD fanboy... I've never been partial to either AMD or Intel (I've often recommend AMD-driven computers to friends and family), but can you tell me how an architecture that runs hotter, consumes more power, and is clock-for-clock slower than Intel's offerings at identical price points a better purchase for anyone other than those belonging to a very specific niche market, and fanboys?

High end computing is a niche market ;)

WexNot really an AMD "fanboy" but hate people who own Intel who crappost all over AMD threads. Intel trolls is what they are. ;)

Well, you'll still get that here...likewise any and every Intel news thread is carpet bombed by the AMD Army- often by the same people getting bent out of shape by the Intellitrolls on the AMD threads, and that's in addition to the whole AMD/Nvidia GPU posting farrago.

theoneandonlymrkYours cant do 4.9 then eh ah well and is it running 4x pciex slots 4xgpu ;), flat out mines bigger then yours btw at 3ghz you win lolzzz

And your the one having a hissy fit and getting your balls out , its too hot to turn my pc on and one thumbs shit and lazy you gramma star
And YOU SAID A 2600K RAPED AN FX not me

Dude, you're insane. There is no logical reason for running the 4 random GPUs that you're running in your rig together. PhysX can't use more than 1 GPU core and AFAIK you can't Crossfire a 5850 with a 5870 without flashing one or the other.

Nobody said anything about getting their balls out, so you might want to keep those kind of thoughts to yourself.

I couldn't understand anything else from the rest of what you typed.

HumanSmokeWell, you'll still get that here...likewise any and every Intel news thread is carpet bombed by the AMD Army- often by the same people getting bent out of shape by the Intellitrolls on the AMD threads, and that's in addition to the whole AMD/Nvidia GPU posting farrago.

Pretty much this. AMD threads will get crapped on by Intel fans, and vice versa same goes for AMD vs Nvidia crap. Just stay out of those threads if you won't want to get all bent out of shape, be the bigger person and don't involve yourself in the BS.

Am*Dude, you're insane. There is no logical reason for running the 4 random GPUs that you're running in your rig together. PhysX can't use more than 1 GPU core and AFAIK you can't Crossfire a 5850 with a 5870 without flashing one or the other.

Nobody said anything about getting their balls out, so you might want to keep those kind of thoughts to yourself.

I couldn't understand anything else from the rest of what you typed.

You answered most of it no problem, been on holiday? ??
Read up dude your showing just what you know the 5870+5850@1000 loose 2% over two 5870s but have and are doing well at 3-4years xfired the physx is hardly used and mostly disabled as is sli but they make batman ac ok and were a good oc investigation purchase also I Have and will fold on all that though id split out the gtx460 2win (90uk notes new)

Now Ot where's the ln2 benches damn already.

Oh yes right insane me what for trying stuff out and on Tpu how dare I

WexNot really an AMD "fanboy" but hate people who own Intel who crappost all over AMD threads. Intel trolls is what they are. ;)

Um... I own both Intel and AMD rigs. Intel is superior in performance and power consumption, that's a fact.

Calling people who state their opinions and backed up facts shouldn't be labeled as trolls. Your posts calling out "fanboys" and "trolls" is nothing but trolling. You need to check the definition of trolling to gain a better understanding ;)

Am*Dude, you're insane. There is no logical reason for running the 4 random GPUs that you're running in your rig together. PhysX can't use more than 1 GPU core and AFAIK you can't Crossfire a 5850 with a 5870 without flashing one or the other.

Nobody said anything about getting their balls out, so you might want to keep those kind of thoughts to yourself.

I couldn't understand anything else from the rest of what you typed.

theoneandonlymrkYou answered most of it no problem, been on holiday? ??
Read up dude your showing just what you know the 5870+5850@1000 loose 2% over two 5870s but have and are doing well at 3-4years xfired the physx is hardly used and mostly disabled as is sli but they make batman ac ok and were a good oc investigation purchase also I Have and will fold on all that though id split out the gtx460 2win (90uk notes new)

Now Ot where's the ln2 benches damn already.

Oh yes right insane me what for trying stuff out and on Tpu how dare I

@Am*

He can run whatever he wants in system, it may not seem logical, but who cares.

At this point you guys should just take your little argument to personal messages or something, as its not getting very far here.

MxPhenom 216@Am*

He can run whatever he wants in system, it may not seem logical, but who cares.

At this point you guys should just take your little argument to personal messages or something, as its not getting very far here.

Just to end this BS argument, I never said he couldn't run what he wants, but he was the one trying to imply that I was an Intel fanboy for suggesting that AMD changed their sockets. He then went on to say how his rig was such a "well justified purchase" and mine wasn't because I didn't have a 2600K. He can nuke his house down with 4x Fermis and 8x nitrogen-cooled 10 gigglehurtz Pentium 4s for all I care and I wouldn't have said a word until he called me out the way he did, but for him to suggest that my rig was somehow a poorly justified purchase compared to his is a little more than laughable.

Am*Just to end this BS argument, I never said he couldn't run what he wants, but he was the one trying to imply that I was an Intel fanboy for suggesting that AMD changed their sockets. He then went on to say how his rig was such a "well justified purchase" and mine wasn't because I didn't have a 2600K. He can nuke his house down with 4x Fermis and 8x nitrogen-cooled 10 gigglehurtz Pentium 4s for all I care and I wouldn't have said a word until he called me out the way he did, but for him to suggest that my rig was somehow a poorly justified purchase compared to his is a little more than laughable.

Well in all reality socket 754 actually had a reasonably long life span. 3-4 generations of cpus and a die shrink, unlike socket 423 from intel at the same time. It died when it could not support dual core cpu's. FM1 was short lived, but unluckily I feel like that will become the norm of apu's seems like advancements on the cpu or gou side make it a rough socket to cross generation.

cdawallWell in all reality socket 754 actually had a reasonably long life span. 3-4 generations of cpus and a die shrink, unlike socket 423 from intel at the same time. It died when it could not support dual core cpu's. FM1 was short lived, but unluckily I feel like that will become the norm of apu's seems like advancements on the cpu or gou side make it a rough socket to cross generation.

I didn't expect much from socket 754 because it was a budget socket that offered nothing over socket 939. FM2 on the other hand has several technical advancements over AM3+ already, like on-die GPU support and integrated northbridge on-chip, including an integrated PCI-E controller. Even if you put aside or forget about Piledriver's crap single threaded performance, FM2 will not be affected the same way AM3+ is. AM3+ needs to run HyperTransport links to the northbridge/PCI-E controller which adds overhead/latency and is a waste of resources, which will make it lose to the exact same die-based chip on socket FM2 vs an AM3+ variant (so Vishera on FM2 will beat the exact same Vishera on AM3+). This is why they will eventually need to kill both FM2 AND AM3+ and replace them with one unified socket -- FM2 does not have the bandwidth scalability of AM3+ and AM3+ does not have the features/improvements of FM2.

FM2+ Was already announced so no idea how AMD is feeling about unification. AM4 may just carry the advancements.

Am*I didn't expect much from socket 754 because it was a budget socket that offered nothing over socket 939. FM2 on the other hand has several technical advancements over AM3+ already, like on-die GPU support and integrated northbridge on-chip, including an integrated PCI-E controller. Even if you put aside or forget about Piledriver's crap single threaded performance, FM2 will not be affected the same way AM3+ is. AM3+ needs to run HyperTransport links to the northbridge/PCI-E controller which adds overhead/latency and is a waste of resources, which will make it lose to the exact same die-based chip on socket FM2 vs an AM3+ variant (so Vishera on FM2 will beat the exact same Vishera on AM3+). This is why they will eventually need to kill both FM2 AND AM3+ and replace them with one unified socket -- FM2 does not have the bandwidth scalability of AM3+ and AM3+ does not have the features/improvements of FM2.

Most of that's wrong too
Vishera has on die nb and imc it doesn't have a capacity for outputting vga but that would not preclude a compute use gpu (technicaly) in am3+ package or ddr4 as even that can be added via external nb which is exactly what amd needs to focus on next imho , that and its sb but its on it like arm over x86 they're are doing stuff people don't seem to be noticing with there already modularised;) designs
Oh and the ht link as a resource is indispensable and without doubt requires advancement but its going nowhere.

At what point have you been on topic btw

None of the AM* socketed CPUs have integrated north bridges, only memory controllers which AMD has had integrated since K8 and socket 754. Only FM* socketed CPUs have an integrated north bridge which is why those platforms only have a PCH instead of the legacy NB/SB.

i73930KAs for the FX9590 it's nothing, but an overclocked FX 8350

i think youre right on this one, nothing has shown otherwise of yet.

but can you blame a company for making more money from something they have already. there are a high percentage of 8350s able to do 5ghz and making some revenue from this is a great source of income. all they have to do is select and bin the chips like they do with all the others, great income potential.

d1nkygreat income potential.

Doesn't the chip actually have to have some value, so that customers will buy it, in order to have "great income potential"?

I would see this chip having much more income potential at 40-50% of its current price.

BigMack70Doesn't the chip actually have to have some value, so that customers will buy it, in order to have "great income potential"?

I would see this chip having much more income potential at 40-50% of its current price.

Agreed.

No one in their sane mind would pick this over a 3930K.

No fanboyism, just facts and data of course.

people are buying the cheaper ones (9370 etc) and i bet there is still a percentage of people that buy this chip, especially fan boys.

its still making money from something they already have.

like kids selling lemon juice but then realising they can sell better lemon juice as well from the same source.

i agree with most of the intel comments on here tbh.

seronxIt appears the only mobos that can actually handle the FX-9370 and FX-9590 is:

ASRock 990FX Extreme9 (Retail/Beta BIOS)
ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional (Beta BIOS)
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD7 Rev 3.0 (Retail BIOS)
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD5 Rev 3.0 (Beta BIOS)

Every other motherboard doesn't support the FX-9590. The latest BIOS probably means retail and the only board to have a retail BIOS for Centurion is the UD7 and Extreme9.

Add the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Rev 4.0 to the list as it supports the Fx9 cpus right out the box with the F1 bios. :toast:

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has this 9590 hasnt been on LN2 or helium yet, who knows what it will do. and record breaking, even highest valid frequencies still make money (from what ive seen)

radrokAgreed.

No one in their sane mind would pick this over a 3930K.

No fanboyism, just facts and data of course.

.... saw a build log thread in another site where someone is going all out with an Amd rig for this thing(should have subbed it:banghead:never seen anyone throw that much $ at a red team build) If i find it again ...will be interesting to see the outcome.....

The willingness to buy this CPU comes down to being an enthusiast. Enthusiasts can have enthusiasm about a vast amount of things including computer chips with various branding printed on them. My grandmother paid a few hundred dollars for a spoon once. A spoon for crying out loud!

There's a market for anything and everything. You couple that with 6+ billion individual people and thus, you have those who will buy this CPU. There's nothing wrong with it. In its most basic form it comes down to the particular interest that an individual has based upon their experiences in life.

It has nothing to do with saving money, getting better performance, what reviews say, what other enthusiasts say, forum posters, color of the sky, etc.

People need to think about these things before questioning someone else's decisions and passing judgment upon them. It is helpful to post things like relevant facts and figures to possibly help the discerning and willing to learn individual when necessary but it just doesn't make a difference to some. No one should have any feelings of anger, outrage, empathy, whatever due to what others do in regards to a CPU like this.

erockerThe willingness to buy this CPU comes down to being an enthusiast. Enthusiasts can have enthusiasm about a vast amount of things including computer chips with various branding printed on them. My grandmother paid a few hundred dollars for a spoon once. A spoon for crying out loud!

There's a market for anything and everything. You couple that with 6+ billion individual people and thus, you have those who will buy this CPU. There's nothing wrong with it. In its most basic form it comes down to the particular interest that an individual has based upon their experiences in life.

It has nothing to do with saving money, getting better performance, what reviews say, what other enthusiasts say, forum posters, color of the sky, etc.

People need to think about these things before questioning someone else's decisions and passing judgment upon them. It is helpful to post things like relevant facts and figures to possibly help the discerning and willing to learn individual when necessary but it just doesn't make a difference to some. No one should have any feelings of anger, outrage, empathy, whatever due to what others do in regards to a CPU like this.

You're absolutely right. The ones in the know aren't likely to shell out that coin for a cherry picked re=branded 8350. But you take " Joe Rocker" out buying a new gaming system. He's dropping 2-3 grand and doesn't care about Intel this and AMD that. What he does care about is his sweet ass rig with the 5.0GHz chip in it. He's probably never gonna do anything but turn it on and play COD on his 3x 27" monitors.
Me If AMD finds they're not selling and drops the price I might pick one up just for some boints and the nostalgia of the TWKR's.

erockerThe willingness to buy this CPU comes down to being an enthusiast. Enthusiasts can have enthusiasm about a vast amount of things including computer chips with various branding printed on them. My grandmother paid a few hundred dollars for a spoon once. A spoon for crying out loud!

There's a market for anything and everything. You couple that with 6+ billion individual people and thus, you have those who will buy this CPU. There's nothing wrong with it. In its most basic form it comes down to the particular interest that an individual has based upon their experiences in life.

It has nothing to do with saving money, getting better performance, what reviews say, what other enthusiasts say, forum posters, color of the sky, etc.

People need to think about these things before questioning someone else's decisions and passing judgment upon them. It is helpful to post things like relevant facts and figures to possibly help the discerning and willing to learn individual when necessary but it just doesn't make a difference to some. No one should have any feelings of anger, outrage, empathy, whatever due to what others do in regards to a CPU like this.

Some people will buy these just because it has 8 cores and is clocked at 5.0 (with turbo)
Non-informed people will be super impressed by that.
Also, some shady sellers will peg this as a 40ghz (8 cores x 5.0ghz each) monster CPU.

Others have money burning holes in their pockets and think that the most expensive is the best.

ensabrenoir.... saw a build log thread in another site where someone is going all out with an Amd rig for this thing(should have subbed it:banghead:never seen anyone throw that much $ at a red team build) If i find it again ...will be interesting to see the outcome.....

Back in the day when AMD used to sell their $999 dollar chips, some people spent the megabucks on AMD rigs.

techtardSome people will buy these just because it has 8 cores and is clocked at 5.0 (with turbo)
Non-informed people will be super impressed by that.
Also, some shady sellers will peg this as a 40ghz (8 cores x 5.0ghz each) monster CPU.

Others have money burning holes in their pockets and think that the most expensive is the best.

Yes, and it doesn't make any difference to me. Nor should it for anyone else. People's spending habits and research skills (or lack thereof) doesn't affect me one bit nor is it any of my business. It's their money, people should do what they please with it.