Wednesday, October 30th 2013

Radeon R9 290 (non-X) Launch Pushed Back a Week

Launch of AMD's Radeon R9 290 (non-X) is reportedly pushed back by a week, to Tuesday, November 5, 2013. The card was expected to launch on October 31, 2013. The reason for this delay? AMD reportedly developed a new driver that significantly improves performance on the R9 290. AMD pushed this driver onto reviewers at the last minute, and asked them to re-bench their R9 290 samples from scratch, extending their NDA till the 5th. The driver reportedly makes the R9 290 extremely competitive with GeForce GTX 780. A side-effect of that would be that the recently launched Radeon R9 290X could be rendered unattractive. It remains to be seen if the driver also proportionately improves performance on the R9 290X, and how AMD ends up pricing the R9 290.
Source: 3DCenter.org
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64 Comments on Radeon R9 290 (non-X) Launch Pushed Back a Week

#1
jigar2speed
There is a lot of pain incoming from AMD to Nvidia - Love competition.

EDIT: May be this driver update is welcome party for 780Ti ?
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#2
manofthem
WCG-TPU Team All-Star!
This is certainly exciting news. :)
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#3
Big_Vulture
So good that AMD exist and manages prices down with excellent Radeons, otherwise we should pay fortunes for Nvidia cards.
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#4
arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
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#5
H82LUZ73
That`s good news for both camps means cheaper in an over worked over taxed over debt world....So i keep reading that the 290x is bios flash-able any news if the remaining locked out shaders on this bad boy can be re-flashed to 290x and then we have a really good war:)

This is what most guys that bought a 290x should have waited for ,IN my theory ,its if I Spend lets say $459 for the 290 and flash it to 290x specs, How much is in my pocket after ........:toast:

So i also think that driver is either 13.11 beta8/9 or 13.12 whql?

by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
So the Green has not oh they are the almighty Graphics Gods ...really dude look up the green team also got caught a few times.It is Monkey see Monkey do world you now,Also they both got caught price fixing ......

click a link ........

https://www.google.ca/search?q=amd+nvidia+price+fixing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=iaJwUujELeWV2QWU1oDwCQ
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SIGSEGV
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
seriously dude, what's wrong with you ?
are you afraid that this card would do more serious damage to nvidia? :laugh:


relax dude :roll:


by: H82LUZ73
That`s good news for both camps means cheaper in an over worked over taxed over debt world....So i keep reading that the 290x is bios flash-able any news if the remaining locked out shaders on this bad boy can be re-flashed to 290x and then we have a really good war:)

This is what most guys that bought a 290x should have waited for ,IN my theory ,its if I Spend lets say $459 for the 290 and flash it to 290x specs, How much is in my pocket after ........:toast:
my reliable source told me that this card will have price point MSRP US 449$

Someone at OC.uk already tried to re-flashing this card to 290x with Asus R9-290x bios but unfortunately its shaders could not unlocked

by: Gibbo
**UPDATE**

Hynix and Elpida are both just as good as each other.

I took my Elpida card which could only do 5700MHz, flashed the Asus BIOS to it, pumped up the voltage and now the Elpida card is matching with 6600MHz.

So there you go, Elpida, Hynix, it don't matter. What matters is voltage control.

Asus BIOS FTW.

By the way this is an R290 I've flashed with R290X BIOS, works a tread, but shaders not unlocked, but can now hit 1220 core and 6600 RAM on the regular R290 as well. At these speeds this also obliverates Titan. Incredible value!
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wiak
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
hey kid, in the old days both nvidia and ati cheated in 3dmark, that was fun, anyone else remember it?

btw it is possible to tweak/gain moar performance out of drivers and cards without cheating.., and am pretty sure 290X will become faster too
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#8
arterius2
by: SIGSEGV
seriously dude, what's wrong with you ?
are you afraid that this card would do more serious damage to nvidia? :laugh:


relax dude :roll:
calm down son, seems like you are the one who flared up about me merely suggesting tech sites should take a look at the issue. Not pointing fingers here or anything but a full in-depth review of not only performance but image quality should also be considered.
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#9
arterius2
by: wiak
hey kid, in the old days both nvidia and ati cheated in 3dmark, that was fun, anyone else remember it?

btw it is possible to tweak/gain moar performance out of drivers and cards without cheating.., and am pretty sure 290X will become faster too
moar ? who still talks like that? yea, just keep patting yourself on the back ...
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#10
buggalugs
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
I worry about the motives of people like you. There are a handful of guys here who go from thread to thread dropping negative comments about AMDs cards.

This is a brand new card that hasn't even been released yet. Its perfectly normal to see big performance jumps with early drivers.

And BTW, for every negative AMD story, there are 5 stories that Nvidia have done over the years so don't even go there.
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john_
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
You want fishy stuff? How about lowering the price of 780 by more than $100 in one night? How about suddenly getting ready to present a new revision of 780 the B1 that will be called "GHz edition".
I am pretty sure that there is nothing fishy here. They couldn't lower the price a month ago, and they weren't selling A1 chips while having a B1 revision ready for months.
Keep supporting Nvidia blindly.
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#12
SIGSEGV
by: arterius2
calm down son, seems like you are the one who flared up about me merely suggesting tech sites should take a look at the issue. Not pointing fingers here or anything but a full in-depth review of not only performance but image quality should also be considered.
/quadruplefacepalm

Really?? :wtf:
Even R9-290 not yet released.. :o

by: arterius2
what LOL? now price cuts are bad? and companies releasing more competitive products are considered bad? HILARIOUS

The amount of irony cheerleaders tossing around these days is simply mind-blowing.
so, what do you want to say then? telling all people on how bad AMD is? even its product not yet released? Really? Telling all people on how good nvidia is with the price cut already? :confused: :confused:
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arterius2
by: john_
You want fishy stuff? How about lowering the price of 780 by more than $100 in one night? How about suddenly getting ready to present a new revision of 780 the B1 that will be called "GHz edition".
I am pretty sure that there is nothing fishy here. They couldn't lower the price a month ago, and they weren't selling A1 chips while having a B1 revision ready for months.
Keep supporting Nvidia blindly.
what LOL? now price cuts are bad? and companies releasing more competitive products are considered bad? HILARIOUS

The amount of irony cheerleaders tossing around these days is simply mind-blowing.
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#14
Roph
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
You would have a point if not for that, in your own article you linked, AMD fixed the driver, bring quality back to what it used to be, with no performance hit. GCN was a new GPU architecture.

Likewise the 290 uses a new GPU that is not even released yet, it's normal from both green/red sides to see nice driver performance boosts following a GPU introduction.
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Rebel333
by: arterius2
review sites should also be testing whether AMD has been playing dirty with their drivers and false-optimization, I smell something fishy here, you don't suddenly "improve performance significantly" without some sort of sacrifice being made somewhere. AMD was caught doing this a while back to trade performance at the cost of quality loss, so I'm curious if they are still doing this to meaninglessly boost benchmark results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/image-quality-driver-optimization-graphics,3173.html
http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3688.html
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=332919
That is Nvidia's staff, that is how they killed 3dfx back in 2000. Nvidia manged 5 more fps with worse quality graphics, unfortunately nobody cared quality, just FPS.
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arterius2
by: Roph
You would have a point if not for that, in your own article you linked, AMD fixed the driver, bring quality back to what it used to be, with no performance hit. GCN was a new GPU architecture.

Likewise the 290 uses a new GPU that is not even released yet, it's normal from both green/red sides to see nice driver performance boosts following a GPU introduction.
Exactly my point, AMD got caught, so they had to fixed it, and now I'm merely suggesting these sort of tests be considered again for future reviews, is it really worth this much discussion? its simply amazing that fanboys get so mad about the littlest things its like women on PMS.
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#17
H82LUZ73
by: SIGSEGV
seriously dude, what's wrong with you ?
are you afraid that this card would do more serious damage to nvidia? :laugh:


relax dude :roll:




my reliable source told me that this card will have price point MSRP US 449$

Someone at OC.uk already tried to re-flashing this card to 290x with Asus R9-290x bios but unfortunately its shaders could not unlocked
unlocked shaders or not still a very good card to get ,Just from what the guy tried at OC.uk
To just get the clock speeds at matching 290x is great news indeed.:respect:

by: arterius2
Exactly my point, AMD got caught, so they had to fixed it, and now I'm merely suggesting these sort of tests be considered again for future reviews, is it really worth this much discussion? its simply amazing that fanboys get so mad about the littlest things its like women on PMS.
Nope not fanboys or anything ,Your post made it sound like it is "You Basically accused AMD of driver tampering and never included Nvidia`s tampering or the price fixing" . And your not even running any of the AMD drivers on your system are you ,They have had major improvements the last few beta`s Shit a 20% improvement in BF3 and Bf4 in the last 2 betas(which are at least 3 weeks old) and your accusing them of tampering when your not even using their hardware. So who sounds like the fan boy now....
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john_
by: arterius2
what LOL? now price cuts are bad? and companies releasing more competitive products are considered bad? HILARIOUS

The amount of irony cheerleaders tossing around these days is simply mind-blowing.
I said that price cuts are bad?
I don't know what you are drinking but it must be good.
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H82LUZ73
by: john_
I said that price cuts are bad?
I don't know what you are drinking but it must be good.
or smoking damn kid i think his parents never taught him to share .....
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#22
Naito
The R9 290 has the same GPU as the R9 290X with just a few sections disabled; so wouldn't this mean any performance gain for the 290 be transferred to the 290X?
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#23
Rebel333
by: Naito
The R9 290 has the same GPU as the R9 290X with just a few sections disabled; so wouldn't this mean any performance gain for the 290 be transferred to the 290X?
Yepp, exactly, with that AMD tripple twisted Nvidia:toast:.
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#24
jigar2speed
by: arterius2
looks like you forgot to take your pills today
OK, I'll bite, what's the pay check like ? PM me the details please :)
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#25
arterius2
by: jigar2speed
OK, I'll bite, what's the pay check like ? PM me the details please :)
DONE! and welcome aboard! :toast:
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