Friday, December 13th 2013

Core i7 "Haswell-E" Engineering Sample Pictured

Here's the first picture of Intel's next-generation Core i7 HEDT (high-end desktop) processor, codenamed "Haswell-E." Based on Intel's latest "Haswell" micro-architecture, the chip will be Intel's first HEDT processor to ship with eight cores, and the first client CPU to ship with next-generation DDR4 memory interface. In addition to IPC improvements over "Ivy Bridge" that come with "Haswell," the chip integrates a quad-channel DDR4 integrated memory controller, with native memory speeds of DDR4-2133 MHz; a PCI-Express gen 3.0 root complex with a total of 40 PCI-Express lanes, and yet the same DMI 2.0 (4 GB/s) chipset bus.

Built into the LGA2011-3 socket, "Haswell-E" will be incompatible with current LGA2011 motherboards, as the notches of the package will vary from LGA2011 "Ivy Bridge-E." Intel will introduce the new X99 Express chipset, featuring all 6 Gb/s SATA ports, integrated USB 3.0 controllers, and a PCI-Express gen 2.0 root complex for third-party onboard controllers. Interestingly, there's no mention of SATA-Express, which Intel's next-generation 9-series chipset for Core "Broadwell" platforms reportedly ships with; and X99 isn't looking too different from today's Z87 chipset. With engineering samples already out, it wouldn't surprise us if Intel launches "Haswell-E" along the sidelines of any of next year's big-three trade-shows (CES, CeBIT, and Computex).

Source: VR-Zone
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49 Comments on Core i7 "Haswell-E" Engineering Sample Pictured

#1
Nihilus
first things first. what color will it be? oh yeah 1st
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#3
Chaitanya
I hope the X99 will be cooler than the current X79, I had couple of issues with X79 during hot Indian summers.
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#4
Live OR Die
I'm waiting out so i can build my new gaming rig on X99 its so long to wait though.
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#5
happita
Dammit. I was really hoping that Broadwell would support DDR4 and SATA Express. Oh well, I guess my 2500k will still be kicking until Skylake is out. Haswell-E seems a little too much for what I use my PC for (gaming). But kudos to Intel for finally breaking out of its shell and introducing 8-core CPUs. It's about time.
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#6
EpicShweetness
Now if only the software on games could take advantage of that! Unfortunately my 3570k can do just fine, and should do just fine for a long time. Still what a beast of a CPU!
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#7
buggalugs
Finally I can go back to HEDT. 8 cores and DDR4 sounds worthwhile.
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#8
tigger
I'm the only one
I'm sure people with the money will buy this to fap over, and to make others jealous on forums. It's nice but is it really needed for the average user or gamer, I don't think so.
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#9
the54thvoid
by: tigger
I'm sure people with the money will buy this to fap over, and to make others jealous on forums. It's nice but is it really needed for the average user or gamer, I don't think so.
I don't think people buy them to make others jealous. But these items fall into the category of enthusiast toys, i.e. Benchmarking achievements and also the category of, i'll buy it because I can. I bought into the socket 2011 platform and feel no need to move, so there is also a longevity premium.
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#10
west7
it will be to damn expencive
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#11
happita
For as long as I can remember, this is the longest time frame I have ever seen Intel stay on the same socket for any particular platform.
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#12
night.fox
by: happita
For as long as I can remember, this is the longest time frame I have ever seen Intel stay on the same socket for any particular platform.
I believe this was because AMD has somewhat "give up" competing intel on there extreme CPU's ( I think).
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#13
lilhasselhoffer
Finally. Too bad that the enthusiast platform is coming out so much later than the mainstream.

I give props to Intel for finally jetisoning the SATA II ports entirely. I'm definitely in the boat with everyone criticizing X79 for being one heck of a hot PCH, but that might be because its based on 45 nm technology. Rectifying that shouldn't be a problem, assuming Intel actually wants to push some boundaries...

I hope X99 brings some dignity back to the high end market. X79 was, speaking on my opinion only, a fail for the high-end. It didn't push any boundaries, it only added extra cores and some connectivity. Those that could use it obviously saw an improvement, but it could have been renamed to CE (Crunchers Edition), and been more accurate than HE (High End).
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#14
Live OR Die
by: the54thvoid
I don't think people buy them to make others jealous. But these items fall into the category of enthusiast toys, i.e. Benchmarking achievements and also the category of, i'll buy it because I can. I bought into the socket 2011 platform and feel no need to move, so there is also a longevity premium.
Yer but i also had a X79 platform i went to haswell because i love new hardware it gives me some thing to do haha, But do i need it no its a want more than a need its more the feeling of your system raping any program or game out there yes i know x79 can do that already but there always that step more.
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#15
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
I like how people refer to skt2011 as "X79" when the chipset is actually only a small part of the entire platform. Is it perfect? no. Is it adequate? yes. Consider for a moment that skt2011 was designed for servers. More often than not, servers won't use integrated I/O. Dedicated RAID cards amongst other hardware you may need for whatever it will be doing, favors having more PCI-E lanes than anything else.

I've personally haven't had any issues with the X79 over heating, so I can't relate. I can say that it is pretty nice and convenient to have 40 PCI-E lanes off the CPU though.

So much hate for a decent platform... If there is anything to complain about (at least with SB-E) is that power consumption is a bit high. Other than that, my 3820 is just as capable as any other quad-core out there at the moment. While it might not be the "fastest" it isn't a limiting factor in anything I do.

I should also add, at least SB-E/IVB-E has the heat-spreader soldered to the die. Don't need to de-lid that. That's a perk in and of itself.
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#16
Landing
What's the point? It's only going to be 10-15% faster anyway.

Without AMD, the CPU industry is dead.
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#17
Live OR Die
by: Aquinus
I like how people refer to skt2011 as "X79" when the chipset is actually only a small part of the entire platform. Is it perfect? no. Is it adequate? yes. Consider for a moment that skt2011 was designed for servers. More often than not, servers won't use integrated I/O. Dedicated RAID cards amongst other hardware you may need for whatever it will be doing, favors having more PCI-E lanes than anything else.

I've personally haven't had any issues with the X79 over heating, so I can't relate. I can say that it is pretty nice and convenient to have 40 PCI-E lanes off the CPU though.

So much hate for a decent platform... If there is anything to complain about (at least with SB-E) is that power consumption is a bit high. Other than that, my 3820 is just as capable as any other quad-core out there at the moment. While it might not be the "fastest" it isn't a limiting factor in anything I do.

I should also add, at least SB-E/IVB-E has the heat-spreader soldered to the die. Don't need to de-lid that. That's a perk in and of itself.
You can blame that on Asus lol. I never had any problem with both my X79 boards i guess it just depends on the board really.
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#18
radrok
Bring it on Intel, we are going to watercool the shizz out of this chip.

8 cores at 5 GHz :droool:

by: happita
For as long as I can remember, this is the longest time frame I have ever seen Intel stay on the same socket for any particular platform.
This isn't really the same socket as current 2011, it's 2011-3 which has a different pinout and it's not backwards compatible.

by: the54thvoid
I don't think people buy them to make others jealous. But these items fall into the category of enthusiast toys, i.e. Benchmarking achievements and also the category of, i'll buy it because I can. I bought into the socket 2011 platform and feel no need to move, so there is also a longevity premium.
There's also people like me who can actually use all cores available :toast:

I'd honestly love 12 cores on a single CPU :)
by: lilhasselhoffer
Finally. Too bad that the enthusiast platform is coming out so much later than the mainstream.

I give props to Intel for finally jetisoning the SATA II ports entirely. I'm definitely in the boat with everyone criticizing X79 for being one heck of a hot PCH, but that might be because its based on 45 nm technology. Rectifying that shouldn't be a problem, assuming Intel actually wants to push some boundaries...

I hope X99 brings some dignity back to the high end market. X79 was, speaking on my opinion only, a fail for the high-end. It didn't push any boundaries, it only added extra cores and some connectivity. Those that could use it obviously saw an improvement, but it could have been renamed to CE (Crunchers Edition), and been more accurate than HE (High End).
I thought it like you for quite a good amount of time, until I bought a RAID card with "balls" and never thought about the lack of anything in X79 anymore.

Having the entire board watercooled makes for a quiet and chilly system :toast:
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#19
Octavean
I haven't had any issues with my Asus P9X79 Deluxe motherboard and Core i7 3930K setup. I'm not ready to move on from it yeat but I might be ready to add an additional system when Haswell-E is released. I wonder if Intel will keep Thonderbolt off this new HEDT as well?

I actaully have a lot of questions about Haswell-E but I understand its too early for any real answers,....
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#20
Steevo
140W from Intel and no one bats and eye, 125 Watts from AMD and everyone goes crazy, and I am just sitting here feeling like I am taking crazy pills.
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#21
cadaveca
My name is Dave
by: Steevo
140W from Intel and no one bats and eye, 125 Watts from AMD and everyone goes crazy, and I am just sitting here feeling like I am taking crazy pills.
Based on how 140W Intel or 125 W AMD CPUs overclock, I think the reactions are justified. If you run stock, then, yeah, I feel as you do.


But...clockspeed is gonna take a dive here, with 8 cores, I suspect. If not, AWESOME!!!

Hope to have more info soon. ;)
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#22
natr0n
This will come with an absurd price.
Maybe you'll have to pay in organs.
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#23
Scrizz
by: natr0n
This will come with an absurd price.
Maybe you'll have to pay in organs.
I have a kidney i can part with. lol :laugh: :toast:
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#24
Vinska
by: Steevo
140W from Intel and no one bats and eye, 125 Watts from AMD and everyone goes crazy, and I am just sitting here feeling like I am taking crazy pills.
Yeah, I would have posted "OMFD 'DAT TDP", but then I saw Your post. Really, wasn't Intel supposed to be the low power consumption "team" while AMD was pushing "outrageously high" TDPs like 125w?
I suppose even the Low TDP Saints Intel have problems dealing with the increasing leakage currents of their ever-shrinking process. kekeke...

by: cadaveca
Based on how 140W Intel or 125 W AMD CPUs overclock, I think the reactions are justified. If you run stock, then, yeah, I feel as you do.
Meanwhile, even though I've got a decent OC, I've got a sweet undervoltage which makes my chip run noticeably below its TDP. *shrug* I forgot what point I wanted to make.

P.S. has the availability & price of DDR4 already good?
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#25
buildzoid
The only thing that's really intresting about this chip is that it has 8 cores and that's only because intel didn't want to release a Sandybride-e 8 core with an unlocked multiplier because if you look at IPC scaling and OC headroom scaling on SB IVB HW then you can deduce that these will average 4.4Ghz and have 15% more IPC than the SB-es which do anything from 4.5 to 5Ghz so the hexa core ones will be outclassed by the 4 year old SB-e hexa cores and the 8 cores will be barely faster than SB-e hexa cores.
My favorite manufacturing process is the 32nm SOI that FX processors are done on. It OCs well under LN2 it OCs well under water it OCs well on air and it can survive really high voltage much longer than intel's 32nm or 22nm and is easier to cool on the CPU to heatsink heat transfer level not the heatsink dissipation level.
If AMD made it possible to stick multiple FX chips onto one motherboard my 3960X could find it self saying bye bye because FX 8350s aren't nearly as expensive to replace when you fry them and are funner(more options and better IMC) to OC
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