Thursday, December 26th 2013

Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" to Launch in Q3 2014

Intel is planning to launch its 4th generation Core i7 HEDT (high-end desktop) platform, codenamed "Haswell-E," in the third quarter of 2014 (after June), which should space its launch roughly a year from Core i7 "Ivy Bridge-E." With Haswell-E, Intel is expected to increase core counts across the board, launching an "affordable" six-core part around the $400 mark, an eight-core part around the $600 mark, and an Extreme Edition eight-core part around the $1,000 mark. The three will be based on the LGA2011-3 socket, which has the same pin count as today's LGA2011, yet is incompatible with it, because the pin map of Haswell-E will differ from its predecessors'. Driving the platform will be Intel's X99 Express chipset, with support for up to ten SATA 6 Gb/s ports, and a large number of USB 3.0 ports. Some of the first X99 motherboards are expected to be unveiled at Computex 2014.

Source: WCCFTech, Image Courtesy: VR-Zone
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63 Comments on Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" to Launch in Q3 2014

#1
Dumpling
Ooooh, another socket? Why, thank you, Intel, that's great! :shadedshu:
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#2
JTristam
Glad I didn't jump in the Haswell bandwagon this year. Q3 2014 will be the perfect time to upgrade (read: replace) my aging x79 rig. About time.
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#3
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: JTristam
Glad I didn't jump in the Haswell bandwagon this year. Q3 2014 will be the perfect time to upgrade (read: replace) my aging x79 rig. About time.
Aging? You call a 4930k old? You, sir, are very spoiled. :p
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#4
adulaamin
by: Aquinus
Aging? You call a 4930k old? You, sir, are very spoiled. :p
He's not calling a 4930k old, he's calling his 4960X old. :toast:
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: adulaamin
He's not calling a 4930k old, he's calling his 4960X old. :toast:
Sorry, I stand corrected. He is not spoiled, he's really spoiled. :p
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#6
buildzoid
by: JTristam
Glad I didn't jump in the Haswell bandwagon this year. Q3 2014 will be the perfect time to upgrade (read: replace) my aging x79 rig. About time.
LOL WUT!?
X79 is only at a disadvantage against the Haswell-E octa cores because the regular Hexa core Haswells will probably clock like crap because if the 4 cores(4770K) average 4.7Ghz on Water then the hexa cores will do 4.3-4.6Ghz and the octa cores will do 4.1-4.6Ghz meaning that a 3960X at 5Ghz will be equal to a Haswell-e hexa core and 25% slower than an octacore haswell.
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#7
night.fox
hmmmm... now i need to start saving for x99 build...... maybe ^_^ i have one year to save WUT!!!
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#8
dick_cheney
:( ... was really hoping to get Haswell-E before June, machine wont last much longer.
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#9
Kaynar
Good to see the first 8 core will be around 600... I'm just wondering how much premium they will charge for the DDR4 in the first few years.... since a proper 4-module kit of ddr3 at 2133mhz is already at 200+
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#10
radrok
Would have loved more than 8 cores :(

Still, 2 more cores are very welcomed anyway.
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#11
ensabrenoir
Perfect timing......wait wont b-well be out by then.... building a haswell now for wifey.... good thing I have a few extra cases:D
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#12
lilhasselhoffer
Anyone else read "affordable" and "$600 eight core processor" and do a double take?

DDR3 is near the point in its life cycle where production is high and costs are low (foregoing the artificial pricing shenanigans suppliers are playing). Despite this, 4 stick sets are in the multiple hundred dollar range. Introduce DDR4, and that price will more than likely add on another hundred or more.

Speculating on exactly what is going to go down here, let's look at the past. SB-IB-Haswell was a uniform 10-15% increase; SB-e to IB-e was about a 10-15% increase. That means SB-e to Haswell-e should be about a 32% increase. There's a 33% increase in core count, so on heavily threaded applications you could theoretically see a 65% improvement. Between that, and the PCH upgrades, I'm digging the potential for Haswell-e. This is all assuming that the on-die vrm doesn't turn Haswell-e into a miniature inferno.

Will it be worth buying another platform, I think not. SB and SB-e are two generations old, but they've still got some life left in them. I am looking forward to people selling their IB-e processors though. If people are already willing to ditch IB-e I'd be happy to get an upgrade and makes the upgrade prices for someone else a little smaller.
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#13
TheHunter
Yeah 600$ is waay too much, even 400$ for 6core..

Although this 8core was my original upgrade from q9450, but good that I didn't waited. Now I have a great HW batch and im already enjoying single threaded perf. to the max and all those extra mini speedups from 7-way branch unit, gather, fma3, etc..

And i think it won't be any faster with Haswell-E, not if I compare it to IvyBridge-E.

Cinebench15 single perf.
my 4770K @ 4.7ghz 188cb
one guru3d member 4930K @ 5ghz 188cb

Another bad thing by this 8 core is it won't OC that good (150w tdp) probably 4.5ghz max., Ok multi-thread will own no doubt, 16threads ftw! :D
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#14
JDG1980
by: lilhasselhoffer
Will it be worth buying another platform, I think not. SB and SB-e are two generations old, but they've still got some life left in them. I am looking forward to people selling their IB-e processors though. If people are already willing to ditch IB-e I'd be happy to get an upgrade and makes the upgrade prices for someone else a little smaller.
I agree that SB/SB-E is still a competitive CPU, but the X79 platform really has to go. No USB 3.0 support at all? Only two 6Gbps SATA ports? Not to mention how hot it runs because of the outdated 45nm process on which it's fabricated. For an enthusiast-oriented platform, this is an embarrassment. I don't think anyone will miss the plethora of third-party USB and SATA controllers that motherboard vendors have had to hack in to make their current LGA 2011 products workable.
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#15
NeoXF
by: ensabrenoir
People aren't seriously comparing an Amd six or eight core to an Intel six or future eight are they..
Depends on the task/workload. But what if they are? LOL
Damn haters...

Anyway, looks like this might make my decision in going for a cheaper Kaveri rig final, now I just have to see it in action and hope it doesn't disappoint (too much). Then, in late 2014 or 2015 I might get a HTPC/small form-factor case, move it there and go for a six or eight core Haswell-E or Broadwell-E (if they don't change sockets again, LOL) in my new Corsair Obsidian 750D. Fingers crossed that motherboard makers make some versions with SATA-Express as well, by 2015, hopefully, SSD drives on SATA-Express of 480/500/512GB+ might be a great choice.

by: lilhasselhoffer
This is all assuming that the on-die vrm doesn't turn Haswell-e into a miniature inferno..
Wasn't there word that Intel might be moving the VRMs back out with Haswell refresh/Broadwell/Haswell-E?... err... one or all of those.
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#16
JTristam
@[USER=102461]Aquinus[/USER] @[USER=73833]adulaamin[/USER]
Very funny.
Another day another lame jokes. Didn't get it, eh lads?

The aging one is my Asus Rampage IV Extreme, not my 4960x.

Sigh...
bloody lads.

And it's not the Black Edition. It's the old red one, released in 2011, hence the reason I called it aging. But for good reason; like a wine, it gets better and better over time. But even a great wine won't last forever. Been two years and I really like to upgrade my x79. Once x99 is out it's time for me to semi-retire my Rampage IV Extreme workstation along with my Titans and DDR3 modules (assuming Haswell-E uses DDR4) and replace it with Rampage V or whatever bloody name Asus will call it. Why? Because I like it and I believe x99 will be better than x79. And if, because of the new board, I have to replace my 4960x as well then so be it. 8 core for 6 core is a good upgrade. Not to mention I will have a decent spare motherboard and CPU to build my own gaming rig (if I really need a workstation and a gaming rig) if I want to.

No offense, lads, don't mean to sound harsh or something but I'm not in the mood for joking right now. Good joke, but better luck next time.

@[USER=111437]buildzoid[/USER]
I'll go for the 8 core mate, not the 6 core. Extreme for extreme. Also I don't know why you brought that numbers. Those are for people involved in overclocking contests or benchmarking. Speed and reliability are important to me but I don't overclock to compete or compare stats with others. And it's not like I'm going to try to reach 8GHz with Haswell-E. I'm more interested in thermal and TDP than record-breaking speed.

@[USER=102175]Kaynar[/USER] @radrock
Would love to see how good Haswell-E will perform. I'm really curious about Intel's first 8 core.
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#17
radrok
by: JTristam
@[USER=102461]Aquinus[/USER] @[USER=73833]adulaamin[/USER]


@[USER=102175]Kaynar[/USER] @radrock
Would love to see how good Haswell-E will perform. I'm really curious about Intel's first 8 core.
I'm expecting the stock 8 core Haswell-E to perform slightly more than a 5,0 Ghz SB-E/IVB-E 6 core.

You can quote me on this next year, when Haswell-E gets benched :toast:
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#18
Patriot
by: radrok
Would have loved more than 8 cores :(

Still, 2 more cores are very welcomed anyway.
They grab an Extra Spicey Xeon off fleabay ...
Get ya more than 8cores... Haswell goes up to 14c :)

You can have 12c IB-E right now.
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#19
radrok
Would already have done that, if they were unlocked.
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#20
Patriot
by: radrok
Would already have done that, if they were unlocked.
Just grab a E5-2687W v2

3.6Ghz base 4ghz ACT
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#21
Svarog
by: JTristam
Glad I didn't jump in the Haswell bandwagon this year. Q3 2014 will be the perfect time to upgrade (read: replace) my aging x79 rig. About time.
Either too much money or trolling.
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#22
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
by: JTristam
@[USER=102461]Aquinus[/USER] @[USER=73833]adulaamin[/USER]
Very funny.
Another day another lame jokes. Didn't get it, eh lads?

The aging one is my Asus Rampage IV Extreme, not my 4960x.

Sigh...
bloody lads.

And it's not the Black Edition. It's the old red one, released in 2011, hence the reason I called it aging. But for good reason; like a wine, it gets better and better over time. But even a great wine won't last forever. Been two years and I really like to upgrade my x79. Once x99 is out it's time for me to semi-retire my Rampage IV Extreme workstation along with my Titans and DDR3 modules (assuming Haswell-E uses DDR4) and replace it with Rampage V or whatever bloody name Asus will call it. Why? Because I like it and I believe x99 will be better than x79. And if, because of the new board, I have to replace my 4960x as well then so be it. 8 core for 6 core is a good upgrade. Not to mention I will have a decent spare motherboard and CPU to build my own gaming rig (if I really need a workstation and a gaming rig) if I want to.
YOU CAPITALIST PIG YOU.

Also, you did use the word "rig", which usually describes the entire computer.
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#23
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: Frick
YOU CAPITALIST PIG YOU.

Also, you did use the word "rig", which usually describes the entire computer.
...and considering the number of PCI-E lanes, it's not like you can't throw a RAID card in it if you have money to blow on a 4960X which is why I think the "X79 chipset is old and out dated" argument is really kind of lame. If you need more bandwidth, you probably need a RAID card anyways. 40 lanes of PCI-E is a benefit in and of itself. It's not like 1155 or 1150 where you're stuck 16 lanes worth of PCI-E bandwidth which is only enough to drive crossfire or SLi with two cards, forget anything else. When you have 40 PCI-E lanes and a CPU that was initially designed for servers, you need to consider what the platform was targeted for. Having been a system admin, I can tell you that RAID cards provide much more bandwidth than a PCH will. Also, i should note that X79 does offer 8 PCI-E lanes as well.
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#24
msamelis
Incompatible sockets? Again Intel? :wtf:
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#25
Brusfantomet
hmm, maybe ill go from x58 to x99 then? Time will show.
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