Thursday, August 14th 2014

Corsair Dominator DDR4 Memory Up For Pre-order

Overclockers UK were the first e-tailer to list the brand new DDR4 memory with the Crucial Ballistix range and now have expanded their portfolio to include Corsair's high performance memory now bringing it to the largest range of DDR4 in the UK. The memory is ready to order with already a few modules in stock ready to buy.

Overclockers UK are well known to hit the market first with new technology. As X99 chipsets are just around the corner, we see the advancement in memory technology to DDR4. Overclockers UK were the first in the UK to list Crucials Ballistix DDR4 memory range with full specs and product details. Since then, Overclockers UK have expanded their DDR4 memory range to include Corsairs high-performance modules even including the well established Corsair Platinum range. Prepared like a coiled spring ready for X99, Overclockers UK will be ready with all the components customers need to upgrade to the latest technology, hosting a full range of motherboards, memory and even fully built X99 systems. With the addition of Corsairs DDR4 range, Overclockers UK now boasts the largest range to offer.

Expert in memory and purchasing manager at Overclockers UK, Andrew Gibson well known by his alias "Gibbo" explains DDR4 memory technology on the forums for customers to understand, these are a few highlights :

Voltage
Voltage will start at 1.20v, I suspect we might see overclocked modules available which need 1.25-1.30v but time will tell. But as the technology matures we shall see 1.10v low voltage parts and even 1.05v ultra low voltage parts. So the power savings are considerable over DDR3, longer lifespan and less heat output.

Densities
As with DDR3 there shall be 4GB and 8GB modules. But the desktop consumer shall also see 16GB modules as well soon, something DDR3 only have available for server market. So on an X99 motherboard with 8 slots that means 128GB of memory if the motherboards BIOS can support that.

Speed/Bandwidth
This is the interesting one and potentially the most interesting for us keen overclockers, the speeds will come officially in 1600MHz, 1866MHz, 2133MHz, 2400MHz, 2666MHz, 3200MHz, 4000MHz and even maybe 4266MHz. These are official JEDEC speeds. Of course memory partners can release other speeds such as Corsair who are overclocking their parts upto 2800MHz, these are no doubt 2666MHz simply overclocked to this higher speed by Corsair themselves

Connector
288-pin DIMM for desktop and 256-pin SODIMM for notebook.

Form factors
Unbuffered ECC or none ECC, registered and load reduced, so DDR4 shall be available for all desktop, server and mobile type applications.

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25 Comments on Corsair Dominator DDR4 Memory Up For Pre-order

#1
RCoon
Gaming Moderator
Here in the UK you could buy Crucial's DDR4 as of a few days ago

Seems like Crucial were first to the market, Corsair following closely. All preorder though, Crucial actually has DDR4 you can buy and have shipped right now.

Also worth noting Gibbo is an ex world record overclocker.
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#2
The Quim Reaper
..also worth noting that OCUK are price gouging wankers.
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#3
RCoon
Gaming Moderator
by: The Quim Reaper
..also worth noting that OCUK are price gouging wankers.
That too. Personally I never order from them anymore, but they're a lot better than they were 5 years ago. ALOT. Their moderators are a bunch of asshats too, and point blank lie or don't answer questions when they are challenged on why they are promoting something that is arbitrarily worse and/or not price competitive. For example, their Samsung EVO 500GB is the most expensive out of all online retailers for no reason, and is well above RRP.
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MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
4266mhz, that's insane, but DO WANT.
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#5
64K
by: MxPhenom 216
4266mhz, that's insane, but DO WANT.
4266 MHz truly is impressive. I bet the price will be insane too.
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#6
Jorge
If you're not running a server, DDR4 is pointless. Of course if you haven't done your homework you might fall for the advertising hype only to be hugely disappointed in the lack of system performance change. It's always sad to read the tales of woe from the clueless after their money is gone.
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#7
EzioAs
by: Jorge
If you're not running a server, DDR4 is pointless. Of course if you haven't done your homework you might fall for the advertising hype only to be hugely disappointed in the lack of system performance change. It's always sad to read the tales of woe from the clueless after their money is gone.
Haha the more I read your comments, the more I love 'em.
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Hood
by: EzioAs
Haha the more I read your comments, the more I love 'em.
by: Jorge
If you're not running a server, DDR4 is pointless. Of course if you haven't done your homework you might fall for the advertising hype only to be hugely disappointed in the lack of system performance change. It's always sad to read the tales of woe from the clueless after their money is gone.
Pointless, huh? Good luck running X99 without it! Sorry, Jorge, they can't make boards that run DDR3 and DDR4, (or DDR2 for that matter like you're running in that old P4 system that represents your perceived pinnacle of PC performance...) So now you have a new excuse to rant your reactionary rubbish at a new generation of hardware that's too fast to be worth upgrading to since it costs more than DDR3-1333. You should find a job in a PC Museum, so you can worship all the old, slow, inefficient hardware you want, and as a bonus, hopefully it won't leave you any free time to write to this forum. No, on second thought, keep writing - your posts always break up a slow day with unintended humor...
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#9
matthmaroo
The gaming leap from ddr3 1600 a ddr3 2400 is very minor


Memory frequency is not a bottleneck in most systems

Ddr4 has many benifits but don't think you will get more then 5 more fps out of ddr4



http://www.anandtech.com/show/7575/corsair-vengeance-pro-review-2x8-gb-at-ddr32400-101212-165-v


Will you get some improvement .... Yes but maybe 1/10 of what you have in your head

by: Hood
Pointless, huh? Good luck running X99 without it! Sorry, Jorge, they can't make boards that run DDR3 and DDR4, (or DDR2 for that matter like you're running in that old P4 system that represents your perceived pinnacle of PC performance...) So now you have a new excuse to rant your reactionary rubbish at a new generation of hardware that's too fast to be worth upgrading to since it costs more than DDR3-1333. You should find a job in a PC Museum, so you can worship all the old, slow, inefficient hardware you want, and as a bonus, hopefully it won't leave you any free time to write to this forum. No, on second thought, keep writing - your posts always break up a slow day with unintended humor...
Skylake will have ddr3 and ddr4 controllers
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Petey Plane
by: Hood
Pointless, huh? Good luck running X99 without it! Sorry, Jorge, they can't make boards that run DDR3 and DDR4, (or DDR2 for that matter like you're running in that old P4 system that represents your perceived pinnacle of PC performance...) So now you have a new excuse to rant your reactionary rubbish at a new generation of hardware that's too fast to be worth upgrading to since it costs more than DDR3-1333. You should find a job in a PC Museum, so you can worship all the old, slow, inefficient hardware you want, and as a bonus, hopefully it won't leave you any free time to write to this forum. No, on second thought, keep writing - your posts always break up a slow day with unintended humor...
Yes, it will be required for the new platforms, but i think the point he is making is that RAM speed, and to a lesser extent, CPU core count and has very little effect on the target market for Corsair, i.e. gamers. In most, if not virtually all cases where you have 2 systems, one a Z97 Devils Canyon quad-core running at 4.2ghz with 2400mhz DDR3 and the new X99 6 core system with 4000mhz DDR4 running at a stock 3.8ghz, with the same video card (say a Titan Black), the Z97 setup will almost certainly be faster.

Test after test has shown that in virtually all games, at real world resolutions (not 640 x 480), RAM speed, from 1600mhz up to 3200mhz has little to no effect on FPS. So, it would be incredibly silly to upgrade from even something as old as an Ivy Bridge platform to X99 at launch and the pay inevitible insane markups for new hardware, when 6 months after release, prices will have dropped by half.
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#11
EzioAs
by: Petey Plane
Yes, it will be required for the new platforms, but i think the point he is making is that RAM speed, and to a lesser extent, CPU core count and has very little effect on the target market for Corsair, i.e. gamers. In most, if not virtually all cases where you have 2 systems, one a Z97 Devils Canyon quad-core running at 4.2ghz with 2400mhz DDR3 and the new X99 6 core system with 4000mhz DDR4 running at a stock 3.8ghz, with the same video card (say a Titan Black), the Z97 setup will almost certainly be faster.

Test after test has shown that in virtually all games, at real world resolutions (not 640 x 480), RAM speed, from 1600mhz up to 3200mhz has little to no effect on FPS. So, it would be incredibly silly to upgrade from even something as old as an Ivy Bridge platform to X99 at launch and the pay inevitible insane markups for new hardware, when 6 months after release, prices will have dropped by half.
I didn't see him mention anything about gaming...why is it always about gaming? How about video encoding/transcoding, rendering, etc? Can you guarantee that DC/Z97 will be faster than Haswell-E/X99?

Of course it would be a little bit silly to upgrade from IB (and so on) to Haswell-E+X99 and expecting over the top improvements in memory performance but if people are willing to get Haswell-E, then they will get DDR4. Sure it will be expensive at first (like every new technology release), but it's progress and the sooner it's released, the higher the chances of seeing faster price drops.
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#12
matthmaroo
by: EzioAs
I didn't see him mention anything about gaming...why is it always about gaming? How about video encoding/transcoding, rendering, etc? Can you guarantee that DC/Z97 will be faster than Haswell-E/X99?

Of course it would be a little bit silly to upgrade from IB (and so on) to Haswell-E+X99 and expecting over the top improvements in memory performance but if people are willing to get Haswell-E, then they will get DDR4. Sure it will be expensive at first (like every new technology release), but it's progress and the sooner it's released, the higher the chances of seeing faster price drops.
For most people it's about gaming , especially corsair targeted products
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#13
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
...and yet no one is interested how 4Ghz memory would improve performance on an APU with an IMC capable to handling it.
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#14
TheinsanegamerN
by: Aquinus
...and yet no one is interested how 4Ghz memory would improve performance on an APU with an IMC capable to handling it.
This. Integrated graphics stand to reap the benefits of ddr4. the latest kaveri apus were practically screaming for ddr4 speeds. even the hd4600 from intel has memory bottlenecks. and thats at 2133 MHz memory.
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#15
utengineer
by: Jorge
If you're not running a server, DDR4 is pointless. Of course if you haven't done your homework you might fall for the advertising hype only to be hugely disappointed in the lack of system performance change. It's always sad to read the tales of woe from the clueless after their money is gone.
I disagree. Please re-read the article and draw your attention to their "marketing hype." These memory modules are marketed to Overclockers. Don't Overclockers need high frequency modules to push their new Haswell-E processors to the upper limits? Overclocking is a huge segment and Corsair has always catered to that market with their memory portfolios.
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#16
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: utengineer
I disagree. Please re-read the article and draw your attention to their "marketing hype." These memory modules are marketed to Overclockers. Don't Overclockers need high frequency modules to push their new Haswell-E processors to the upper limits? Overclocking is a huge segment and Corsair has always catered to that market with their memory portfolios.
Overclocking is such a small portion of the market in retrospect. Where do you get the idea that it isn't? That's not where the money is made, they make money off businesses more than anything else.
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#17
utengineer
by: Aquinus
Overclocking is such a small portion of the market in retrospect. Where do you get the idea that it isn't? That's not where the money is made, they make money off businesses more than anything else.
I do not know specific percentages of overclockers verusus gamers versus business users. I do work in the enterprise field and Corsair memory in servers just isn't common. In fact, in the datacenters I cover (2000+ servers), the memory standard is still 1333 MHz. 1600 and 1866 are getting there and 2133 still nowhere to be found. More to my point, this memory is marketed to Overclockers, not business users. Corsair sells other product lines of memory that cater to those segments.
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#18
d1nky
by: RCoon
That too. Personally I never order from them anymore, but they're a lot better than they were 5 years ago. ALOT. Their moderators are a bunch of asshats too, and point blank lie or don't answer questions when they are challenged on why they are promoting something that is arbitrarily worse and/or not price competitive. For example, their Samsung EVO 500GB is the most expensive out of all online retailers for no reason, and is well above RRP.
they're on to you..... http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-169-SA

on a side note thats some fast mems, especially as they have samsumg ic's which are capable of some uber overclocking. but in ocuk for the 2800mhz its around £100 per stick...
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: utengineer
I do not know specific percentages of overclockers verusus gamers versus business users. I do work in the enterprise field and Corsair memory in servers just isn't common. In fact, in the datacenters I cover (2000+ servers), the memory standard is still 1333 MHz. 1600 and 1866 are getting there and 2133 still nowhere to be found. More to my point, this memory is marketed to Overclockers, not business users. Corsair sells other product lines of memory that cater to those segments.
That's why they're also selling DDR4 DIMMs with ECC, right? :confused:
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Petey Plane
by: EzioAs
I didn't see him mention anything about gaming...why is it always about gaming? How about video encoding/transcoding, rendering, etc? Can you guarantee that DC/Z97 will be faster than Haswell-E/X99?

Of course it would be a little bit silly to upgrade from IB (and so on) to Haswell-E+X99 and expecting over the top improvements in memory performance but if people are willing to get Haswell-E, then they will get DDR4. Sure it will be expensive at first (like every new technology release), but it's progress and the sooner it's released, the higher the chances of seeing faster price drops.
Corsairs' target market is gamers, and of those, people willing to spend on a 2011 based system are a tiny fraction that is growing increasingly irrelevant. The vast majority of socket 2011 based systems are mission critical, commercial and enterprise users whp will be using a Xenon based platform, which will also be DDR4, but error correction, density and cost are way more important than speed. Like a few posts back said, most still run DDR3 1333
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#21
Hood
by: Petey Plane
Yes, it will be required for the new platforms, but i think the point he is making is that RAM speed, and to a lesser extent, CPU core count and has very little effect on the target market for Corsair, i.e. gamers. In most, if not virtually all cases where you have 2 systems, one a Z97 Devils Canyon quad-core running at 4.2ghz with 2400mhz DDR3 and the new X99 6 core system with 4000mhz DDR4 running at a stock 3.8ghz, with the same video card (say a Titan Black), the Z97 setup will almost certainly be faster.

Test after test has shown that in virtually all games, at real world resolutions (not 640 x 480), RAM speed, from 1600mhz up to 3200mhz has little to no effect on FPS. So, it would be incredibly silly to upgrade from even something as old as an Ivy Bridge platform to X99 at launch and the pay inevitible insane markups for new hardware, when 6 months after release, prices will have dropped by half.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone considers hardware only as it relates to gaming, that if it doesn't increase FPS, it's not useful. I've been using 2400 MHz RAM for a couple years, and it's always helped my systems run circles around "stock" systems, along with decent full-time overclocks
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#22
james888
I like faster ram but it is highly unnecessary. I wonder how low power an 1866 kit will be. That was the point of ddr4 right, lower power usage?
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#23
Prima.Vera
Guys, for me DDR4 will be a very good choice for my RAMdrive. Because now the max will be 128GB, I know exactly what to use 120GB, for example, on my future 4.266Ghz DDR4 modules. 34GB/s.... Dat bandwidth! :)
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#24
EzioAs
by: Petey Plane
Corsairs' target market is gamers, and of those, people willing to spend on a 2011 based system are a tiny fraction that is growing increasingly irrelevant. The vast majority of socket 2011 based systems are mission critical, commercial and enterprise users whp will be using a Xenon based platform, which will also be DDR4, but error correction, density and cost are way more important than speed. Like a few posts back said, most still run DDR3 1333
False. It's not specifically for gamers. It's more for people who build their own PCs. Most gamers (mainstream & sometimes serious) don't really care to have the highest performance (and expensive) kit on their PCs. As long as it's got enough memory, enough CPU and GPU horsepower, that's enough.

We are moving towards DDR4. It might not be relevant yet for most of us but it will probably become the standard in the years to come. Just because Corsair release some high speed DDR4 modules, it automatically makes it pointless because gamers won't use it (yet).
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: Prima.Vera
Guys, for me DDR4 will be a very good choice for my RAMdrive. Because now the max will be 128GB, I know exactly what to use 120GB, for example, on my future 4.266Ghz DDR4 modules. 34GB/s.... Dat bandwidth! :)
128GB is then limit for 8 slots (starting off,) isn't it? So that would be 4 channels of DDR4 goodness which would be closer to 65-70GB/s. :p
by: Petey Plane
Corsairs' target market is gamers, and of those, people willing to spend on a 2011 based system are a tiny fraction that is growing increasingly irrelevant.
People who are investing in skt2011 either:
A: Have money to spend and money burns a hole in their pocket.
B: Are going to be needing 40 PCI-E lanes to drive 3 or more PCI-E devices.
C: Have very specific demands for a workstation.

Also inside the small niche inside of a niche, most skt2011 owners probably don't strictly use their machine for games. I know I certainly don't, in fact gaming was an after-thought when I "upgraded" everything except my case and one of my GPUs.

by: Petey Plane
The vast majority of socket 2011 based systems are mission critical, commercial and enterprise users whp will be using a Xenon based platform, which will also be DDR4, but error correction, density and cost are way more important than speed. Like a few posts back said, most still run DDR3 1333
First off, it's Xeon. Second of all, most skt2011 machines are servers and are owned by businesses. Of course they want stability, their businesses depends on it but to say it's more important than performance is rather short sighted. No level of stability will be important if the hardware can't finish a given task fast enough. Also if you invest in a skt2011 server today, IVB-E Xeons support Registered ECC memory at 1866Mhz and SB-E Xeons supported 1600Mhz as well and come the fall, it will have been 3 years since SB-E came out. So considering the next "bump" would be 2133Mhz which is where DDR4 starts, it seems natural that the next bump would introduce DDR4.
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