Tuesday, August 26th 2014

Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" Pricing Detailed

Intel will price its next-generation Core i7 "Haswell-E" HEDT processors along expected lines. The lineup will begin with the Core i7-5820K, priced at US $389 - just $50 more than a Core i7-4790K. There are some major trade-offs you need to consider when choosing between the two. The i7-5820K is a six-core chip, but its motherboard and newer, costlier DDR4 memory, will jack up your overall platform costs. The i7-4790K lets you buy a motherboard as cheap as $120, and memory that's as cheap as it gets. It's now confirmed that the i7-5820K features 6 cores, 12 threads enabled by HyperThreading, a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and 15 MB of L3 cache, but a narrower 28-lane PCI-Express 3.0 root complex. The chip features TurboBoost frequency of 3.60 GHz.

To use the platform to its fullest, you'd need to part with at least US $583 for a processor. That's what will get you the Core i7-5930K. Also a six-core chip, the i7-5930K features a wider 40-lane PCI-Express 3.0 root complex, letting you set up 3-way and 4-way high-end multi-GPU setups with sufficient bus width for each of the cards running in tandem. The chip features 6 cores, 12 threads, a quad-channel DDR4 IMC, 15 MB of L3 cache, and TurboBoost frequencies of up to 3.70 GHz. Leading the pack is the Core i7-5960X, Intel's first eight-core high-end client CPU. It's priced at a wallet-scorching $999. For close to a grand, you get 8 cores, 16 threads enabled with HyperThreading, a massive 20 MB of L3 cache, a quad-channel DDR4 IMC, and 40 PCI-Express 3.0 lanes. To keep the eight cores within Intel's desired 140W thermal envelope, the company had to go easy on the clocks. It offers TurboBoost frequencies of up to 3.50 GHz. All three chips feature unlocked base-clock multipliers.Source: VideoCardz
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36 Comments on Intel Core i7 "Haswell-E" Pricing Detailed

#1
Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
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#2
techy1
if there was not this ridiculous DDR4 (ridiculously overpriced - I mean) then 5820K vs 4790k would be no brainer...
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#3
Mathragh
by: Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
Unless you plan on playing four of said games at once!
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#4
bnjohanson
by: Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
huh ?

...what the **** is a frush Gus ?
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#5
lilhasselhoffer
by: Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
Based upon what exactly?

The 5820k and 4790k are both Haswell. The difference is functionally a larger die area (owing to more cores and a greater PCI-e complex), and a soldered on lid. The 4790k has "new" thermal material to make it suck less when overclocked, but you really can't beat a mechanically fused lid for heat transfer.


I'll reserve judgement for when actual benchmarks comparing the two exist. For now, Intel has successfully introduced a new artificial segment into the market. If I didn't see it coming, it might be interesting. Gimping the PCI-e might be a reasonable way to introduce high end gaming to the more expensive "enthusiast" level platform.
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#6
wachuwey
"It's now confirmed that the i7-5820K features 6 cores, 12 threads enabled by HyperThreading, a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and 15 MB of L3 cache, but a narrower 28-lane PCI-Express 3.0 root complex."

This is not a problem if you want to use just one PCI-e graphic card, or am I wrong?
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#7
Mathragh
by: wachuwey
"It's now confirmed that the i7-5820K features 6 cores, 12 threads enabled by HyperThreading, a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and 15 MB of L3 cache, but a narrower 28-lane PCI-Express 3.0 root complex."

This is not a problem if you want to use just one PCI-e graphic card, or am I wrong?
You are correct. With that amount of lanes, you can even use crossfire/SLI in a 8x, 8x config, which doesnt seem to hurt performance much at all compared to 16x, 16x.
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#8
Petey Plane
by: Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
For games, with equivalence clocks, they should be about equal actually. The 4 lane DDR4 memory MAY give around 5-10% FPS improvement in a couple CPU intensive games, but the RAM and the 2 extra cores will not have much of an effect outside of commercial apps, transcoding and synthetic benchmarks.

If you are primarily playing games and will never use more than 2 GPUs, there is absolutely no point in buying a 2011 based platform.
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#9
anolesoul
It..just figures that INTEL would "price" their stuff---WAY out of a "normal" persons' pocket-book range! THEY...always have,and they will continue! KNOWING---that their the "only" kid on the block with a motherboard(AND...those EXTREMELY expense CPU'S---IF you really want the "top-end" one.),to support DDR4.
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Petey Plane
by: anolesoul
It..just figures that INTEL would "price" their stuff---WAY out of a "normal" persons' pocket-book range! THEY...always have,and they will continue! KNOWING---that their the "only" kid on the block with a motherboard(AND...those EXTREMELY expense CPU'S---IF you really want the "top-end" one.),to support DDR4.
Did Alex Jones post this?

So your argument is that Intel is bad because high-end CPUs that only a very small percentage (<5%) of the market has use for have a higher price than the mainstream CPUs that fulfill the needs of the vast majority of customers?
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#11
night.fox
want one. but price of ddr4 is quite high now. ill pass now. wait for now until ddr4 prices become competetive
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#12
hero1
Intel should have made the 5930K and 5960X with 64 PCI-E lanes. Then give the 5820K and 4790K (and the likes) 40 lanes. There wouldn't be any need for PLX chips.
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#13
Hilux SSRG
by: Prima.Vera
Sorry guys, but a Core i7-4790K will smoke in games all those CPU's without a blink.
Glad someone sees the truth.

Pricing is Intel dumb as usual, wonder when TPU will review one against a 4790k.
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#14
GhostRyder
by: wachuwey
"It's now confirmed that the i7-5820K features 6 cores, 12 threads enabled by HyperThreading, a quad-channel DDR4 memory interface, and 15 MB of L3 cache, but a narrower 28-lane PCI-Express 3.0 root complex."

This is not a problem if you want to use just one PCI-e graphic card, or am I wrong?
Your correct, it has enough for any normal users setup with 24 lanes. It just won't be running a quad setup without a plx chip to add onto it.

The pricing is actually not as bad as I thought/was worried about. In fact the lower entry is priced pretty decently considering what could have been the price.

5930k here I come!
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#15
Octavean
by: lilhasselhoffer
Based upon what exactly?

The 5820k and 4790k are both Haswell. The difference is functionally a larger die area (owing to more cores and a greater PCI-e complex), and a soldered on lid. The 4790k has "new" thermal material to make it suck less when overclocked, but you really can't beat a mechanically fused lid for heat transfer.


I'll reserve judgement for when actual benchmarks comparing the two exist. For now, Intel has successfully introduced a new artificial segment into the market. If I didn't see it coming, it might be interesting. Gimping the PCI-e might be a reasonable way to introduce high end gaming to the more expensive "enthusiast" level platform.
lilhasselhoffer, your estimate of ~$400 to ~$500 turned out to be quite accurate with respect to my estimate of ~$300. Still I am interested in what actual street prices will be. Often prices are inflated beyond MSRP for newly released hardware so that is a possibility. However, I have grown accustomed to lower then usual prices for Intel CPUs at Microcenter. So I'm guessing the Core i7 5820K could be as low as ~$350 USD there possibly less.

That is to say that processors like the 4930K, 4790K and 4790 cost about ~$80 and ~$60 less respectively at Microcenter then they do at places like Newegg for example.

So that is to say I am cautiously optimistic about seeing lower then MSRP on the Core i7 5820K and low enough to be significant,.......at least at Microcenter. If not then the 5930K is looking that much more attractive.
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#16
lilhasselhoffer
by: Octavean
lilhasselhoffer, your estimate of ~$400 to ~$500 turned out to be quite accurate with respect to my estimate of ~$300. Still I am interested in what actual street prices will be. Often prices are inflated beyond MSRP for newly released hardware so that is a possibility. However, I have grown accustomed to lower then usual prices for Intel CPUs at Microcenter. So I'm guessing the Core i7 5820K could be as low as ~$350 USD there possibly less.

That is to say that processors like the 4930K, 4790K and 4790 cost about ~$80 and ~$60 less respectively at Microcenter then they do at places like Newegg for example.
Behind you 100% here. My only request of you is that next time you go into a Microcenter you talk to one of the sales associates.

Why you may ask? It's simple; They're generally honest. I talked to one of them, and they indicated exactly what I saw. Microcenter takes the MSRP of a CPU, and generally meets or undercuts it. They do so, and run motherboard combination sales, to get people through the door. That CPU might cost them $45, have an MSRP of $70, and Microcenter will have it on shelves at $60. You save $10, so you'll happily go to their stores and spend the money. While you're there, you see a bunch of gaming mice, and decide that another $40 isn't a big expense. You also see that new GPU that your new rig would absolutely love, so you spend $200. By the time you are done you've spent $300 on a $60 CPU.


I love them for their deals, but they're crack dealers. If you don't have a ton of will power those CPU deals wind-up costing you (having said all of this, I admit I've been guilty of it).
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#17
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
by: anolesoul
It..just figures that INTEL would "price" their stuff---WAY out of a "normal" persons' pocket-book range! THEY...always have,and they will continue! KNOWING---that their the "only" kid on the block with a motherboard(AND...those EXTREMELY expense CPU'S---IF you really want the "top-end" one.),to support DDR4.
I'm glad someone knows that when they lose an argument in another thread, they start the same one in another. Once again, get over yourself and stop posting rhetorical BS.

Jeez, who fed the troll? :shadedshu:

Maybe you need to be reminded of that exchange?
by: anolesoul
Intel....as always taking the latest tech,and WAY "over-charging";because, they "know" that their the only kid on the block---that is finally going to have motherboards and CPU's, that will support the latest DDR4 ram.
Brother!!! Here we go...again!?!!
I just knew...that they would "pull" this!
"Corporate "GREED"....just plain "typical".


The VERY "wealthy"...will love this puppie!
by: Aquinus
Are you trying to be a tool? Intel's high-end line has always been more expensive than their mainstream counterparts. As far as I can tell, Intel hasn't made much changes to their pricing because their is no competition, but coincidentally we haven't seen prices spike either, they've stayed about the same. So while I agree that they're greedy, they're not taking full advantage of it because that would push customers away. All in all, I think you're over reacting. Intel also has the resources to do DDR4 first, unlike AMD, so they will be.
by: anolesoul
Every body's...got their "own" opinion,man. JUST..like you.
by: anolesoul
NOPE...NO hurry! Will watch and "read" what others' who decide to "jump" on the band wagon,have to say---1st.
by: Aquinus
It's not an opinion. I'm a developer and I've written multi-threaded code. I'm speaking from experience and my own education. That's a little different than an opinion. How about not talking about stuff you don't know about. ;)
by: anolesoul
Well...with your "attitude"... I wouldn't even "want" to go "back" to INTEL..now. Sounds like your a little too BIG for your own britches...and the head, is a bit too big---for the body. I've dealt with "Corporate" before. You guys---NEVER "change",at least NOT for the better... Your "stuff" just doesn't stink---I bet.
by: Aquinus
It's not an attitude either. It's facts. I know a lot about software because I write it for a living. I don't work for a big business, I just have a degree in Computer Science as well as a job as a senior software developer (...and about to get a promotion I might add.) So I'm sorry if I burst your bubble, but how about growing up and not acting like a 12 year old when your argument gets debunked. If all you can do is attempt to insult me but yet you can't even defend your own points, you shouldn't even bother posting.
by: anolesoul
Hay...what goes around...comes around. Don't give it(disrespect) ..if you don't like "getting" it back in spades--in return,man.
by: Aquinus
Then how about making your point instead of spitting out rhetorical nonsense. :)
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#18
the54thvoid
by: Aquinus
I'm glad someone knows that when they lose an argument in another thread, they start the same one in another. Once again, get over yourself and stop posting rhetorical BS.

Jeez, who fed the troll? :shadedshu:

Maybe you need to be reminded of that exchange?
Your quoted exchange was like hearing an adult speak to a child, it made me smile somewhat :)

As for the specs and pricing, I'm just a little bummed they chose to segregate the 8 core chip to a single tier. In doing that, many SB-E owners on the 3930k chip might choose not to upgrade (not that they need to generally). I would definitely have bought an 8 core 5930k but I don't see the point in buying another 6 core extreme part.

I'll wait for some comparison reviews, hopefully see how much better the new chips are over their 3 year old counterparts. As for pricing, I have foregone children to feed my PC habits. Easy trade off. :D
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#19
Jizzler
by: Mathragh
Unless you plan on playing four of said games at once!
It's a possibility :) This weekend was Treasure Hunt in LOTRO and the Archeage Beta 4. Not wanting to miss either, I kept them both open along with the other usual stuff.

The 5820K is going to be popular whether or not someone uses it's abilities or not. Doesn't cost all that much over an i7, nor does the board. The RAM might at first but will quickly drop. Amount of lanes is nice at x16, x8, and x4 (M.2!).
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Octavean
by: lilhasselhoffer
Behind you 100% here. My only request of you is that next time you go into a Microcenter you talk to one of the sales associates.

Why you may ask? It's simple; They're generally honest. I talked to one of them, and they indicated exactly what I saw. Microcenter takes the MSRP of a CPU, and generally meets or undercuts it. They do so, and run motherboard combination sales, to get people through the door. That CPU might cost them $45, have an MSRP of $70, and Microcenter will have it on shelves at $60. You save $10, so you'll happily go to their stores and spend the money. While you're there, you see a bunch of gaming mice, and decide that another $40 isn't a big expense. You also see that new GPU that your new rig would absolutely love, so you spend $200. By the time you are done you've spent $300 on a $60 CPU.


I love them for their deals, but they're crack dealers. If you don't have a ton of will power those CPU deals wind-up costing you (having said all of this, I admit I've been guilty of it).
I can certainly ask for a sales associate.

Generally speaking though I simply order a product online such as my Core i7 3930K and then pick it up at a local Microcenter,..........then leave,.......with nothing other then the product I ordered online,..... :)

I typically don't even look left or look right.

CPU / motherboard combos are great provided the combo actually has the exact CPU / motherboard you want.

When I built my Core i7 3930K / ASUS P9X79 Deluxe based system I had a ~$260 coupon at Amazon so it made more sense to me to just buy the CPU at Microcenter and the motherboard at Amazon. All other hardware for the initial build I already had which made the build comparatively cheap.
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#21
springs113
I will be flying to my nearest MicroC asap...Intel needs to hurry up. I know the stores already have them too. Just need a nice all black mobo.

Dave I hope you're reviewing the board I'm thinking about.
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#22
GhostRyder
by: springs113
I will be flying to my nearest MicroC asap...Intel needs to hurry up. I know the stores already have them too. Just need a nice all black mobo.

Dave I hope you're reviewing the board I'm thinking about.
I am still stuck on what motherboard I want this round. I was really hoping for another MSI Big Bang edition because of the feature set and the just awesome heatsinks.

But I am now stuck between the MSI Gaming, Lightning, and the Asus Rog board.
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#23
Octavean
by: springs113
I will be flying to my nearest MicroC asap...Intel needs to hurry up. I know the stores already have them too. Just need a nice all black mobo.

Dave I hope you're reviewing the board I'm thinking about.
Will if the release date of August 29th is accurate then one would think the stores do indeed have stock of the processors, motherboards and DDR4 RAM.

Personally I think I'll end up waiting until October or possibly November before buying though,......unless there is some crazy time sensitive deal that will save me a ton of cash.
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#24
buildzoid
So is anyone interested in a 5.3Ghz capable 3960X because if the haswell-e 8/6 cores clock to around 4.8Ghz I'm getting rid of my current MB+CPU+RAM.
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#25
Kyuuba
Seems a nice time to upgrade to either 5820K or 5930K, their prices aren't bad at all, althought the most excitting about it is thet new thermal design of these CPUs which makes it worth.
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