Monday, June 22nd 2015

AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K

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btarunr
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One of the three unexpected products based on the "Fiji" GPU, which AMD announced at its E3 event, Project Quantum, or the quest to design a 4K-worthy SFF gaming PC, which runs two "Fiji" GPUs in CrossFire, had the press assume that the rest of the system could be AMD-based, such as AMD-branded (albeit Patriot Memory manufactured) memory, AMD-branded (albeit OCZ manufactured) SSD; and importantly an AMD-made CPU or APU. Given its liquid-cooling, the prospect of a 95W "Godavari," or even upcoming "Carrizo" APU didn't seem far-fetched. Even a 95W FX CPU could have been deployed, since AM3+ on mini-ITX is not impossible.

When taken apart, Project Quantum was shown to be running an Intel Core i7-4790K "Devil's Canyon" CPU, on an ASRock-made mini-ITX motherboard, with its non-essential parts soldered out. The i7-4790K is neighbored by a pair of half-height Crucial Ballistix memory modules, which is excusable, since there are no half-height AMD Radeon memory modules, yet. The SSD is AMD-branded. The unit features a unified liquid cooling solution that's custom-made for AMD, by Asetek. A large (200 mm?) radiator, with a single fan, cools the CPU, the PCH, as well as the two "Fiji" GPUs.
Source: Kitguru

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188 Comments on AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K

#26
john_
Eteknix used that title, because they where upset with AMD, after AMD informed them that they will not be in the list of those who will receive a Fury X sample.

So, what is the excuse for TechPowerUp?

You don't get a free Fury X sample?
The author is having a personal vendetta with the company?
The site tries to make it's sponsors happy?
Click bait?
Combination of the above or something else?
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#27
bogami
A good combination really is not here only by the manufacturer. performance AMD processors just in recent years stinks. Zen comes, it is intended to fill a difference .a where it is that in 2016.
I honor you as such plans are often processed in I my head. You can mount the dual strip PCI-E and get a 8x8 which would allow even the 4 GPU postavitev.The size of radiator is minimal. A 2xFury processor is announced in this setting, if I read correctly, and that will satisfy every 4k game 60 FPS + .Do not be cheap but if you are get here only SSD units. I hope that it will be used only copper. The pump is good, tube 10 mm opening. because it will be a good flow of which can be easily discharged temperature from processors.
4 cors 8 tr. In RAID bound 2 units and dual GPU FuryX will put forward a very strong mini system would have wanted everyone home.
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#28
esrever
Only real reason AMD choose intel is there isn't any high end AMD CPU/Mobo that they can use in a mini ITX form factor. Its also the reason they didn't use intel's extreme cpus.
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#29
Tetsudo77
Click bait title from a Senior Editor. Didn;t see the same reaction from this guy with the 970 debacle. I see NV has its ways with an abundance of budget. Might as well blame AMD for that.
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#30
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
john_Eteknix used that title, because they where upset with AMD, after AMD informed them that they will not be in the list of those who will receive a Fury X sample.

So, what is the excuse for TechPowerUp?
The excuse is truth, even if it hurts your feelings.
john_You don't get a free Fury X sample?
We already have one.
john_The author is having a personal vendetta with the company?
Bought K6, Athlon XP 3200+, FX-57, HD 6870, FX-8350, and R9 290 with my own money, used each for an average of 18 months.
john_The site tries to make it's sponsors happy?
No graphics card vendor has a deal with us.
john_Click bait?
TPU is too big/old for that.
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#31
the54thvoid
Intoxicated Moderator
john_Eteknix used that title, because they where upset with AMD, after AMD informed them that they will not be in the list of those who will receive a Fury X sample.

So, what is the excuse for TechPowerUp?

You don't get a free Fury X sample?
The author is having a personal vendetta with the company?
The site tries to make it's sponsors happy?
Click bait?
Combination of the above or something else?
Do you not ask yourself why a company that sells CPU and GPU doesn't put its own product into a new design concept? It didn't need to be an i7 for PR, so why do it?
The speed to criticise Btarunr evidences a lot of ego's being dented, nothing more.
It IS very odd for AMD (you know, they make umm, AMD processors) to NOT pop in a AMD CPU. Unless their own cpu's don't have the power to drive two if the world's most advanced gfx cards.

Stop criticising TPU and look at AMD instead.
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#32
Lionheart
Meh, doesn't bother me, a mini itx 2011 board with a 5820K would be kick ass with this. :rockout:
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#33
ZetZet
btarunrFX-8370E has just 7W higher TDP than an i7-4790K. And this is a chip which AMD is recommending on its website, for "enthusiasts."
at stock speeds. but it doesn't even compete with an i3 at stock speeds.
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#34
Tetsudo77
the54thvoidDo you not ask yourself why a company that sells CPU and GPU doesn't put its own product into a new design concept? It didn't need to be an i7 for PR, so why do it?
The speed to criticise Btarunr evidences a lot of ego's being dented, nothing more.
It IS very odd for AMD (you know, they make umm, AMD processors) to NOT pop in a AMD CPU. Unless their own cpu's don't have the power to drive two if the world's most advanced gfx cards.

Stop criticising TPU and look at AMD instead.
Equivalent of stop criticizing Clickbait Practices and criticize AMD's newborn hardware which has been around for 5 days.
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#35
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
bencrutzever occurred to you that thermals may be the consideration instead of the bottleneck?
ZetZetat stock speeds. but it doesn't even compete with an i3 at stock speeds.
How many times will you people shift goalposts and throw up strawman arguments, before you realise the actual point of this article? Which is:
  • AMD is not using an AMD processor in a PC bearing its brand name
  • If AMD doesn't use the product-line it's most known for - processors - in its gaming PCs, then it's AMD telling you "don't use our CPUs, we don't use them ourselves."
  • AMD is currently selling processors WHICH IT THINKS ARE COMPETITIVE WITH INTEL
  • It could have used its own processors, even if it's a lowly Godavari+A88X ITX; if this was just meant to be a proof-of-concept. It would have shown that AMD trusts its own creations
  • If Intel-ITX is indeed bound to be final-spec, then instead AMD should have used an FX-8370E + AMD 970 ITX motherboard (which is doable, and AMD designs motherboards itself)
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#36
Assimilator
btarunrHow many times will you people shift goalposts and throw up strawman arguments, before you realise the actual point of this article? Which is:
  • AMD is not using an AMD processor in a PC bearing its brand name
  • If AMD doesn't use the product-line it's most known for - processors - in its gaming PCs, then it's AMD telling you "don't use our CPUs, we don't use them ourselves."
  • AMD is currently selling processors WHICH IT claims to be, despite all evidence to the contrary, COMPETITIVE WITH INTEL
  • It could have used its own processors, even if it's a lowly Godavari+A88X ITX; if this was just meant to be a proof-of-concept. It would have shown that AMD trusts its own creations
  • If Intel-ITX is indeed bound to be final-spec, then instead AMD should have used an FX-8370E + AMD 970 ITX motherboard (which is doable, and AMD designs motherboards itself)
FTFY.

Also the AMD fanboy butthurt in this thread is hilarious. QQ more children, your tears are so delicious.
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#37
jigar2speed
btarunrHow many times will you people shift goalposts and throw up strawman arguments, before you realise the actual point of this article? Which is:
  • AMD is not using an AMD processor in a PC bearing its brand name
  • If AMD doesn't use the product-line it's most known for - processors - in its gaming PCs, then it's AMD telling you "don't use our CPUs, we don't use them ourselves."
  • AMD is currently selling processors WHICH IT THINKS ARE COMPETITIVE WITH INTEL
  • It could have used its own processors, even if it's a lowly Godavari+A88X ITX; if this was just meant to be a proof-of-concept. It would have shown that AMD trusts its own creations
  • If Intel-ITX is indeed bound to be final-spec, then instead AMD should have used an FX-8370E + AMD 970 ITX motherboard (which is doable, and AMD designs motherboards itself)
A quick query - Does AMD have Mini ITX mobo that support 2 FIJI graphic cards ? Or does Quantum have 2X Fiji on single PCB ?
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#38
john_
btarunrThe excuse is truth, even if it hurts your feelings.
Hurt my feelings? You serious? :laugh:
We already have one.
Great! :toast:
Bought K6, Athlon XP 3200+, FX-57, HD 6870, FX-8350, and R9 290 with my own money, used each for an average of 18 months.
So many bad memories :laugh:
No graphics card vendor has a deal with us.
Yes but the article is about the CPU, right? :p
TPU is too big/old for that.
Which makes it strange, doesn't it? ;)
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#39
R-T-B
FWIW, this is the most unbiased tech site I know of.
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#40
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
jigar2speedA quick query - Does AMD have Mini ITX mobo that support 2 FIJI graphic cards ? Or does Quantum have 2X Fiji on single PCB ?
Quantum uses an ITX board with a single x16 slot, and a dual-GPU video card split between two PCBs, with a sandwiched cooling solution (à la GeForce 9800 GX2).
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#41
TRWOV
Why not just leave the title as "AMD's Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K"?

TPU isn't in charge of creating drama, TPUers are ;)
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#42
john_
the54thvoidDo you not ask yourself why a company that sells CPU and GPU doesn't put its own product into a new design concept? It didn't need to be an i7 for PR, so why do it?
The speed to criticise Btarunr evidences a lot of ego's being dented, nothing more.
It IS very odd for AMD (you know, they make umm, AMD processors) to NOT pop in a AMD CPU. Unless their own cpu's don't have the power to drive two if the world's most advanced gfx cards.

Stop criticising TPU and look at AMD instead.
AMD is a company that a few years ago come out in public and said that it can't compete in the hi end CPU market. Not to mention that they have completely abandoned the server market. Should I point at the price of the top AMD model being lower than even a i5's price.
Did we just re invented the wheel here?

Everyone knows that for a card like the dual Fiji, you need a hi end Intel CPU. Project Quantum would not sell with an FX in it, and an FX in it would have been a reason for criticism again. Can we really rule out the possibility an OEM selling Project Quantum when dual Fiji card comes out? Many months before Zen? I think not. And considering AMD is a company with no money in their pockets, they can't create a prototype that they can't sell, or two different prototypes just for an one hour show.

I believe the person making the video about Project Quantum had to do much apologizing for not hiding the motherboard, but other than that, I don't find something wrong with Project Quantum not using an FX.
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#43
dj-electric
btarunrThen why stop at CPUs? AMD should have used two NVIDIA GPUs.
According to AMD's own statements, the R9 Nano is a better option anyway over a 970, so why chose a 970?
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#44
Mutagen240
btarunrFanboy-proofed my article a little. Changed title to "Processors," a term AMD uses for both CPUs and APUs; and mentioned that AMD COULD HAVE USED FX, because it turns out that you CAN design mini-ITX motherboards using the 2-chip chipset after all. Below is an example. It runs 890GX+SB850. AMD 970+SB950 has a lower TDP than 890GX due to lack of integrated graphics. So you can build ITX boards with AMD 970 and AM3+. You'll just have to use SO-DIMM instead of standard DIMMs, which shouldn't be a problem. MSI's 4K Gaming notebook uses SO-DIMMs.

Holy crap, did not know that. I planned to build with an AMD CPU over a year ago but I could not find m-atx motherboards for my build so I went Intel haswell. Thanks for the info, I'll look into this for my next build.
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#45
huguberhart
far gone conclusions in the title - cheap sensations. you can do better.
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#46
the54thvoid
Intoxicated Moderator
huguberhartfar gone conclusions in the title - cheap sensations. you can do better.
So the title should be:
"AMD CPU not powerful enough for ATI's dual Fiji GPU."?
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#47
Toothless
Tech, Games, and TPU!
Next week, Intel uses Qualcomm in their laptops!
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#48
john_
ToothlessNext week, Intel uses Qualcomm in their laptops!



Should I try to find the TPU article with the title "Intel doesn't trust it's IGPs"?
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#49
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
john_Should I try to find the TPU article with the title "Intel doesn't trust it's IGPs"?
Nice try. Intel doesn't have an iGPU IP of the same class as G64xx; whereas AMD claims to have CPUs of the same class as Intel.

When you claim to have a chip of the same class as Intel, and you want people to buy your product over Intel, and then you turn around and use Intel in your product, you're telling people that your original claims were enough bovine defecation to fertilize Africa.
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#50
Toothless
Tech, Games, and TPU!
john_


Should I try to find the TPU article with the title "Intel doesn't trust it's IGPs"?
More like Intel doesn't trust AMD's GPUs so it hires Qualcomm to force NVIDIA to use Samsung technology for DDR5 ram. At least that's what I'm getting from the comments in this thread.

Be a fanboy to everyone, so no one is left out. :roll:
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