Friday, September 4th 2015

AMD Radeon R9 Nano Review by TPU...Not

There won't be a Radeon R9 Nano review on TechPowerUp. AMD says that it has too few review samples for the press. When AMD first held up the Radeon R9 Nano at its "Fiji" GPU unveil, to us it came across as the most promising product based on the chip, even more than the R9 Fury series, its dual-GPU variant, and the food-processor-shaped SFF gaming desktop thing. The prospect of "faster than R9 290X at 175W" is what excited us the most, as that would disrupt NVIDIA's GM204 based products. Unfortunately, the most exciting product by AMD also has the least amount of excitement by AMD itself.

The first signs of that are, AMD making it prohibitively expensive at $650, and not putting it in the hands of the press, for a launch-day review. We're not getting one, and nor do some of our friends on either sides of the Atlantic. AMD is making some of its tallest claims with this product, and it's important (for AMD) that some of those claims are put to the test. A validated product could maybe even convince some to reach for their wallets, to pull out $650.
Are we sourgraping? You tell us. We're one of the few sites that give you noise testing by some really expensive and broad-ranged noise-testing equipment, and more importantly, card-only power-draw. Our reviews also grill graphics cards through 22 real-world tests across four resolutions, each, and offer price-performance graphs. When NVIDIA didn't send us a GeForce GTX TITAN-Z sample, we didn't care. We didn't make an announcement like this. At $2,999, it was just a terrible product and we never wished it was part of our graphs. Its competing R9 295X2 could be had under $700, and so it continues to top our performance charts.

The R9 Nano, on the other hand, has the potential for greatness. Never mind the compact board design and its SFF credentials. Pull out this ASIC, put it on a normal 20-25 cm PCB, price it around $350, and dual-slot cooling that can turn its fans off in idle, and AMD could have had a GM204-killing product. Sadly, there's no way for us to test that, either. We can't emulate an R9 Nano on an R9 Fury X. The Nano appears to have a unique power/temperature based throttling algorithm that we can't copy.

"Fiji" is a good piece of technology, but apparently, very little effort is being made to put it into the hands of as many people as possible (and by that we mean consumers). This is an incoherence between what AMD CEO stated at the "Fiji" unveil, and what her company is doing. It's also great disservice to the people who probably stayed up many nights to get the interposer design right, or sailing through uncharted territory with HBM. Oh well.
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759 Comments on AMD Radeon R9 Nano Review by TPU...Not

#501
Tsukiyomi91
Also, despite the R9 295X2 being at the very bottom for all the test (power consumption under load, blew all resolutions across all games etc), it even consumes 650W (yes, 650W) at peak usage. When it came out for the first time, AMD did send one for TPU to flex it's dual GPU muscles to it's paces, recorded it's performance, tabled it & drew a conclusion with no hiccups, so was the rest of the other cards, but not the Nano.
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#502
64K
R9 295x2 drew 500 watts peak and the 646 watts was running Furmark which stresses the GPUs beyond what you will find in real world gaming.
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#503
Cataclysm_ZA
As a fellow reviewer, I've yet to be offered a Nano sample. Or Fury/Fury X for that matter either. Most vendors in my country don't have Fiji stock and that's a combination of being at the bottom of Africa and not having enough Fiji parts to go around to everyone. Maybe its the same for Nano's launch, maybe not. All I know is that Roy isn't helping at all right now.

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#505
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
Cataclysm_ZAAs a fellow reviewer, I've yet to be offered a Nano sample. Or Fury/Fury X for that matter either. Most vendors in my country don't have Fiji stock and that's a combination of being at the bottom of Africa and not having enough Fiji parts to go around to everyone. Maybe its the same for Nano's launch, maybe not. All I know is that Roy isn't helping at all right now.

roy needs to tread very carefully or hes gonna have another pr disaster
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#506
john_
Cataclysm_ZAAll I know is that Roy isn't helping at all right now.

Yeap. Bad reaction. You don't write on public that "TPU. You don't do fair reviews". This makes it an official statement "We didn't gave you a card because we don't like your reviews". Even if you don't like TPU, better to say "Sorry, we didn't had enough samples for the press" than what he wrote.
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#508
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
I'd say that some TPU *news posts* come across as very pro-nvidia, but i don't really see any anti-AMD in any reviews or articles.
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#509
EarthDog
LOL, he says "Amen"? Does he not see or not understand the irony in that statement? They are making up rules to play the game by manipulating how games are tested (no AF).
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#510
Cataclysm_ZA
Even I am happy enough with "not enough press samples" being offered as an excuse, because it is logical that a hardware vendor like AMD would like to sell as many parts as possible. But Roy's comeback is just... wow.
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#511
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
For the Attention of AMD_ROY

Please fill in the Details So we can Process your Claim


A Hint from a British AMD owner /user
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#513
john_
EarthDogLOL, he says "Amen"? Does he not see or not understand the irony in that statement? They are making up rules to play the game by manipulating how games are tested (no AF).
He sees it from his perspective "Do a fair review of AMD hardware and don't worry if you upset Nvidia".
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#514
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Cataclysm_ZAEven I am happy enough with "not enough press samples" being offered as an excuse, because it is logical that a hardware vendor like AMD would like to sell as many parts as possible. But Roy's comeback is just... wow.
That's bovine defecation, because we were invited for the pre-launch conference call (if you make it to that stage, a sample is normally en route you). We sat through the call. Then late last week we learn that they don't have a sample for us (because by then AMD PR partner's German office is stocked up with samples/dispatched). Only a high-level intervention could derail things from that stage.
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#515
remixedcat
I'd prolly be given one if I stuck a nano between my tits like I do some of the networking hardware and tweeted it to everyone. If so I'll give it to you :)
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#516
EarthDog
john_He sees it from his perspective "Do a fair review of AMD hardware and don't worry if you upset Nvidia".
LOL, and therein lay the problem.... As I said, what he doesn't seem to see (judging from his comments) is that they are taking a game (reviewing) and making up new rules that benefit them instead of playing with rules that are fair to everyone/what most people use. Who DOESN'T crank up the AF? The penalty is so small!!! This isn't 2004!!!

I talked with my rep yesterday and was sent a consolation prize (nothing Fiji)... and was told that sampling for Nano was done "a bit differently" this time around. I can understand we don;t get one as we are smaller than TPU, but TPU not getting one is a shock to say the least.
btarunrThat's bovine defecation, because we were invited for the pre-launch conference call (if you make it to that stage, a sample is normally en route you). We sat through the call. Then late last week we learn that they don't have a sample for us (because by then AMD PR partner's German office is stocked up with samples/dispatched). Only a high-level intervention could derail things from that stage.
EXACTLY... I was on that call...I was in L.A for the Fiji release... and NADA. If we are not big enough to make the cut, THEN DONT FLY ME TO L.A... NOR INVITE ME TO THESE CONFERENCE CALLS......
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#518
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
remixedcatI'd prolly be given one if I stuck a nano between my tits like I do some of the networking hardware and tweeted it to everyone. If so I'll give it to you :)
My first thought
I'd pay money to see that:p
Second thought :roll:
where is my credit Card :):):)
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#519
john_
EarthDogLOL, and therein lay the problem.... As I said, what he doesn't seem to see (judging from his comments) is that they are taking a game (reviewing) and making up new rules that benefit them instead of playing with rules that are fair to everyone.
What he doesn't see is that TPU is not the typical website with 10-20 people writing news and reviews. TPU is the perfect mixture of a hardware site AND a FORUM with thousand of loyal members. He should have been more careful.
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#520
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
remixedcat
Yeah, I saw a similar exchange with someone about TPU. I can't find that because he blocked me.
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#521
remixedcat
AMD_Roy blocked you??? wow how low can u go amd?
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#522
Cataclysm_ZA
btarunrThat's bovine defecation, because we were invited for the pre-launch conference call (if you make it to that stage, a sample is normally en route you). We sat through the call. Then late last week we learn that they don't have a sample for us (because by then AMD PR partner's German office is stocked up with samples/dispatched). This couldn't have been possible without a last minute high-level intervention.
Perhaps I'm mangling my words here. I was in that conference call as well, I also expected a sample at some point. What I said in my post is that I would be happy with the "not enough samples" excuse, because that's a nicer way of saying "we don't think you're important enough to us to get one first" without slapping you through the face. They don't have to drop an (incorrect) insinuation about fairness on a public forum, they just have to say "not enough cards" and move on from there.

I am likewise uncomfortable with the fact that they'd rather send samples to someone who might not be objective instead of me, and that's their prerogative. They want to market it that way and they're entitled to do that. I don't agree with the way they're handling this publicly and I wish Roy hadn't made that comment. If I could, I'd be the one sending you a Nano sample.
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#524
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
btarunrYeah, I saw a similar exchange with someone about TPU. I can't find that because he blocked me.
Utterly childish and pointless
all it takes is for someone to copy and paste to another place and you then have The Streisand effect
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
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#525
remixedcat
hey guys.... dare me to get pikachu involved?? I'll do it...
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