R-T-BAh. You are talking about exploiting poor math at the point of exchange. That isn't really "hacking crypto," but I'll concede the outcome is the same.

I will have to find the link again, but with some exchange sites overloaded exploits featuring transactions and fraudulent work supporting the transactions may allow enough time to purchase goods, or sale of crypto before it's found.

This thread is full of poor people who couldnt afford the mining equipment so they start writing hate toward miners.
Why the hate when you can profit by building systems for miners but I guess lots of you guys are too busy writing hate posts instead of learning about it.
Another around of mad angry gamers.

Use a server psu with breakout board and nano psu adapter. Cheap and server psus are already 24/7 rated.

yotano211This thread is full of poor people who couldnt afford the mining equipment so they start writing hate toward miners.
Why the hate when you can profit by building systems for miners but I guess lots of you guys are too busy writing hate posts instead of learning about it.
Another around of mad angry gamers.

I'm new here, but it seems like this site welcomes both types. If I can see that, maybe you're just focusing on critics too much :)

People just got blindsided with suddenly having to deal with a competitor who buys the same products as they do. Especially when they're products targeted towards graphics. It's weird.. but if they simply get what they want, things may die down soon enough.

StrayKATI'm new here, but it seems like this site welcomes both types. If I can see that, maybe you're just focusing on critics too much :)

People just got blindsided with suddenly having to deal with a competitor who buys the same products as they do. Especially when they're products targeted towards graphics. It's weird.. but if they simply get what they want, things may die down soon enough.

I dont have to focus on critics too much, those critics are everywhere.

yotano211I dont have to focus on critics too much, those critics are everywhere.

Gamers are also naturally a whiney "gimme what I want NOW!" bunch.

Keep in mind, I say that completely as a gamer. It's the nature of the beast.

Cybrnook2002"PSUs They Deserve" :) For being good boys and girls?

@Raevenlord did you just copy and paste that ? :) feels very marketable.

Clearly not AP style. :)

yotano211This thread is full of poor people who couldnt afford the mining equipment so they start writing hate toward miners.
Why the hate when you can profit by building systems for miners but I guess lots of you guys are too busy writing hate posts instead of learning about it.
Another around of mad angry gamers.

I've got to ask, If getting into mining involve buying hardware for an amount that can go past 5k, why not just make all cryptocurrency running on ASIC ? I've seen people saying that ETH running on GPU is great because it means that everyone can do it, without having to invest too much money, but that's obviously not true. If you were an early adopter that was nice, but once greedy people start buying 10, 49 gpu, casual miners can go ***** themselve.

Folding@home seems like a better way to spend that ilde compute power, at least no matter your profile, the amount of money that you want to spend in computer hardware, you feel like you are contributing to something, meanwhile mining seems to quiclky growing into an "elite" pastime, wich a bunch of drama following it ( RTG bashing).

dyonoctisbut once greedy people start buying 10, 49 gpu, casual miners can go ***** themselve.

It scales. 1 gpu is still profitable because electric is less than 50 gpus. Profit is smaller naturally though.

dyonoctisI've got to ask, If getting into mining involve buying hardware for an amount that can go past 5k, why not just make all cryptocurrency running on ASIC ? I've seen people saying that ETH running on GPU is great because it means that everyone can do it, without having to invest too much money, but that's obviously not true. If you were an early adopter that was nice, but once greedy people start buying 10, 49 gpu, casual miners can go ***** themselve.

Folding@home seems like a better way to spend that ilde compute power, at least no matter your profile, the amount of money that you want to spend in computer hardware, you feel like you are contributing to something, meanwhile mining seems to quiclky growing into an "elite" pastime, wich a bunch of drama following it ( RTG bashing).

ASIC machines can not run certain math algorithms to mine, and ETH can only be run on GPUs. And why not learn about mining instead of complaining about "the elites" blah blah blah.

Asics can run it, but the software may be limited to X86-64 and check hardware to ensure it's running on said hardware. No small company will get a x86 license, so the best they could do is emulate it at a huge performance loss, or create their own ASIC hardware but have to get certification for PCIe, memory interface...



Essentially they made the barrier to entry too high, on purpose, to prolong the length of the block chain calculations. All that its done is increased the cost of gaming hardware, for some of us who have been waiting for a few years to upgrade, so now the barrier to entry on a premium card is 800 instead of 500.

You can't prepare for what kind of hardware these currencies will capitalize on. That's the worst thing about this. We'll see another glut in gpus (something) because of it. Asics is for something predictable and more formalized.

It's just something people will have to get used to. Even when top economists see no future here, the gold rush still would exist, just so some can eek out some meager benefit.

DeathtoGnomesNo... "They rebrand High Quality shit." :rolleyes:

I was going to write something but it would be moot I feel.

Enhance and Sirtec, should be solid enough. The warranties (three years for Quark, five for the others) could be longer, but still.

R-T-BIt scales. 1 gpu is still profitable because electric is less than 50 gpus. Profit is smaller naturally though.

Yes about 41$ a month or 510,77$ a year assuming that you are mining 24/24 7/7 with a dedicated rig around a 1060. You get the money back in 5- 6 months IF ETH is staying in the same condition.

That's a gamble to make, and i can see a few people who would rather mine on ilde time with the main computer, rather than make a bet and spend money on another rig, and pray that things won't go "kaput" before they can make profits. Students aren't really the type to have piece of mind about a "little" 300$/€ gamble, I could actually use a second 1060 to make rendering more bearable, without having my computer freezing with that money.

yotano211ASIC machines can not run certain math algorithms to mine, and ETH can only be run on GPUs. And why not learn about mining instead of complaining about "the elites" blah blah blah.

I've read a few things about cryptocurrency, the concept itself it interesting, but they also pointed out that the overal direct influence on the world is currently quite small (while causing not so negligable issue, like the huge global power draw,) . And I really feel like that most people are just in it for the money, rather than all the applications ETH is supporting, or the "groundbreaking future" that it could bring. Anything related to cryptocurrency is still far from being really mainstream, lot of people are living just fine without getting involved with it, so having people seeing it as just "greed", "easy money", or an hindrance is easy. That's just like people having no education in art seeing it as a lazy jobs, not something worth making a living off, or just plain useless (and the wolrd of art itself got some ugly side).

My reply was mainly because you ( and also some other peoples elsewhere) are poking people with the low income argument, those guys are talking of mining as something meant for those with a big wallet, and that's just too bad if you can't afford it. Some of those people may be students, or freelancers, and can use the power of a gpu for other stuff than gaming, and for those peoples great performance at a great value is a really great thing to have. Seeing how the current "introduction" of mining gpu had zero effect on the avaibility of gaming gpu it's easy to get worried.

My problem isn't with cryptocurrency itself, but rather the way it's cannibalizing another market, and all the shitstorm that's happening after. I've said in other post that if mining is becoming more than just a trend, the market need to adapt to avoid this kind of situation were a 279$ RX 570 is presented as a good deal.

dyonoctisYes about 41$ a month or 510,77$ a year assuming that you are mining 24/24 7/7 with a dedicated rig around a 1060. You get the money back in 5- 6 months IF ETH is staying in the same condition.

That's a gamble to make, and i can see a few people who would rather mine on ilde time with the main computer, rather than make a bet and spend money on another rig, and pray that things won't go "kaput" before they can make profits. Students aren't really the type to have piece of mind about a "little" 300$/€ gamble, I could actually use a second 1060 to make rendering more bearable, without having my computer freezing with that money.

I don't disagree. I was just pointing out it's still profitable... at least if things stay the same.

but they also pointed out that the overal direct influence on the world is currently quite small

but they also pointed out that the overal direct influence on the world is currently quite small

I'm not sure if your aware of this, but it's breaking ground extremely well in some third world markets. Why I'm unsure of, I think it probably has to do with evading insane market taxes though.

Athlon2K15because Rosewill makes high quality shit...

It's been a high enough quality for me to survive at least 2+ years of heavy OC'ing with the one I bench with, the other has been living in my DD and doing it's thing like nothing to it.
These are the Hercules 1600W units, good thing I got them earlier with these being sold out alot of the time and probrably more expensive now than back then when I got these.

Speaking of benching I've ran it with my CHV-Z and the FX 9590 I have, you know that will load a system with the 9590's appetite for wattage esp OC'ed and I've pushed it well beyond what is stock for it. Also ran it in a heavy OC'ed state with a trio of NVidia GPUs (Tri-SLI) going for high scores and the benching unit never let on once it was working hard during all this.
I believe if I were to start mining these would be fine for this useage but since I won't be mining it's a mute point on my part.

I can only say what I've experienced with them and it's been good so far - And unless that changes that's it for me.

Rosewill was ABHORRENT up until a couple of years ago...only recently did they start putting units out that wouldn't catch fire.

didn't realize Rosewill entered explosives market... :rockout:

I don't think PSU prices will get inflated. Miners need what, one such PSU? Maybe two tops. Those who run mining farms use industrial PSU's anyway which is an entirely separate market. PSU demands don't really deviate much from the usual demand. Where most miners run like 8+ graphic cards. Which is basically 8 times more than average gamer buys and that affected graphics market dramatically.

If anything, it might make 1200W units cheaper because they won't be a niche thing for really demanding users, but something that is commonly sold due to mining.

what will happen when all these cryptocurrencies won't worth nothing over night....better have a reliable job

laszlowhat will happen when all these cryptocurrencies won't worth nothing over night....better have a reliable job

They exchange for Bitcoin, but I don't know how often miners do it. I would constantly do it personally. I assume they're as cautious as I am.

All of them may drop, but that won't anytime soon.

laszlowhat will happen when all these cryptocurrencies won't worth nothing over night....better have a reliable job

A lot of the skills you use in setting up crypto rigs are actually very applicable to several "reliable job" fields.

Nearly all my knowledge of thermal-management originates from crypto, for example... :laugh:

R-T-BA lot of the skills you use in setting up crypto rigs are actually very applicable to several "reliable job" fields.

Nearly all my knowledge of thermal-management originates from crypto, for example... :laugh:

good to know some people learn also; you know there are "miners" who don't have/think no need a job and live from the generated income like this will last forever...

Wow, according to that marketing pictues, those PSUs are compatible to Intels 4th Gen CPUs. So they are compatible to the Intel 80486 generation :D

OneMoardoes "psu that they deserve" mean ones that goes up a ball of fire and takes all the hardware with it
because histrionically what rosewill psu's do

That was the first thing that came into my mind after reading the tittle :D

yotano211This thread is full of poor people who couldnt afford the mining equipment so they start writing hate toward miners.

Also this thread is full of clueless people that barely can see further than their own nose.