ZoneDymoyeah...but you have to pay VAT...so why would you "exclude it" ?

I'm stateside, we can buy from sellers in the UK/EU and exclude VAT as we're not subject to it.

AusWolfSorry about that, I thought it was available globally. :ohwell: It's one of the UK's largest online shops selling the ASRock A380 for £149.

Maybe after sometime price will go down here too, but for now the price is 230€. Performance for that money is terrible. And they want to sell a770 for 320€ which should be many, many times more powerful than a380. Maybe in some specific countries... But for now seeing what costs here with a380, impossible. :D

I guess october is still summer this year...
We'll see if performance is any better than now with all that polish on the card's shroud (work out the drivers, intel). :rolleyes:

lexluthermiesterI'm stateside, we can buy from sellers in the UK/EU and exclude VAT as we're not subject to it.

sure but then you have to pay import tax/fees, its not like that magically disappears

ZoneDymosure but then you have to pay import tax/fees, its not like that magically disappears

That depends. I import things all the time and very rarely does any import taxes or customs fee apply.

lexluthermiesterThat depends. I import things all the time and very rarely does any import taxes or customs fee apply.

Can you import without importing, IE buy me a UK GPU and send it me, I'll send you the cash less tax :).

Any info on spacial combo preformance when using with intel 12(13) gen cpu?

GunShotOh no! What will MLID, TweakTown, I-Labs, CB, etc. do now about their fake news campaign headlines before the summer that "ARC is cancelled... it's been confirmed" BS claims?

Answer: create more lying and hateful concoctions posts. :roll:

Of course leak guys are often proven wrong and it's fun to mock them and their overconfidence but looking at the broad picture I don't think we can confirm that they were either right or wrong in the short term (other than current gen "canceled" after a380, that's clearly wrong and was pretty outlandish to begin with). Intel will continue to move along until the last moment when/if they decide to cancel the consumer graphics deparment because that's their job. But their entry into the consumer graphics market has been full of issues and delays, it's very likely that the project has been/is being re-evaluated but it will take a while to see what (if anything) comes out of that.

trsttteOf course leak guys are often proven wrong and it's fun to mock them and their overconfidence but looking at the broad picture I don't think we can confirm that they were either right or wrong in the short term (other than current gen "canceled" after a380, that's clearly wrong and was pretty outlandish to begin with). Intel will continue to move along until the last moment when/if they decide to cancel the consumer graphics deparment because that's their job. But their entry into the consumer graphics market has been full of issues and delays, it's very likely that the project has been/is being re-evaluated but it will take a while to see what (if anything) comes out of that.

I'm confident Intel is here to stay on graphics. Execution roadbumps do not change this.

Intel is too far behind Nvidia and AMD. When the nextgen GPUs get released from Nvidia and AMD they are going to make the Arcs look pitiful in comparison.

64KIntel is too far behind Nvidia and AMD. When the nextgen GPUs get released from Nvidia and AMD they are going to make the Arcs look pitiful in comparison.

Not if encoding 5 streams at the same time is your goal or running Xess.

It's possible they'll find a niche is all I'm saying and work from there.

64KIntel is too far behind Nvidia and AMD. When the nextgen GPUs get released from Nvidia and AMD they are going to make the Arcs look pitiful in comparison.

I guess that depends on what's important to you. Absolute performance? ARC's a non-factor. But Intel has a fantastic opportunity to completely own the sub-$300 space. Now we get to see if a) that's their strategy and b) they can execute it.

64KIntel is too far behind Nvidia and AMD. When the nextgen GPUs get released from Nvidia and AMD they are going to make the Arcs look pitiful in comparison.

No one sane expected Intel to take Nvidia's gaming crown right away.

If Intel can clean up their software, they do have a chance of making progress and not just in gaming.

Ultimately Intel is working on the ARC graphics technology for Datacenter and compute uses.

For Client Computing, Intel is more focused on getting ARC/Xe graphics cores into Raptor Lake and later CPUs, particularly for notebook silicon. For discrete graphics, Intel is probably more interested in that 2,000 unit Dell Optiplex order from the General Accounting Office's purchasing department and less interested in getting ARC Alchemist retail boxes stacked at Best Buy.

Don't forget that these days the US federal government (and other similar bodies) have power efficiency mandates that are less accommodating to 400W TGP graphics cards.

64KIntel is too far behind Nvidia and AMD. When the nextgen GPUs get released from Nvidia and AMD they are going to make the Arcs look pitiful in comparison.

It doesn't matter.
Intel can do with 2-3 years of loss on ARC with ease.
All they need is to improving the drivers and keep price low- both can be achieved without problems.
They have big market at their hands in CPU so with time they gain market share.

Not Without standing, no one in this forum should buy any A series ARC except for amusement and toying.

Dirt ChipNot Without standing, no one in this forum should buy and A series ARC except for amusement and toying.

I probably will (for amusement and toying of course)... unless I see a tempting offer on a B650 motherboard and 7700X, which looks doubtful at the minute.

I don't think we can confirm that they were either right or wrong

I'll put my money on any company's CEO, etc. insight over jelly / hateful instigators any day, though.

I feel like they missed an opportunity to name it an A740. In reference to their earlier attempt with AGP.

Dirt ChipIntel can do with 2-3 years of loss on ARC with ease.

But that has been the question from the start, will they want to?

Talking to my intel rep and they say we cannot get any cards on launch as they have none. He said we will have to wait until MSI launches theirs as nobody has stock. Pretty depressing as I was excited to get some of these for the holidays.

trsttteBut that has been the question from the start, will they want to?

I believe they are, no sign otherwise.

I have decided when released to give it a go

KovoetI have decided when released to give it a go

Me too. I hope there will be an Asus TUF version so I can have an all-Intel, all-TUF system. :cool:

If I end up not liking it, no biggie. I'm also thinking about a Zen 4 + RDNA 3 upgrade next year.

Come to me my precious let me buy one grrrrrr

R0H1TNot in recent times from Nvidia, or maybe even AMD. The bigger point is that at "just" $329 they'll probably be selling it at a loss.

I estimate that that card cost as much as to make 6800xt and they are selling at 6600xt prices so yeah I don't see how they'll make any money out of but that was kind of expected.
Only way they could have made any money is releasing during shortage but now that ship has sailed.
The biggest hold up IMO was the drivers but any work they put it for this gen should automatically translate into the next gen so they should be able to release next gen sooner.
If I was shopping for a card right I would still pick 770 over 3060 even before the reviews.

R0H1TI seriously doubt the net(?) margins would be 20% but I guess we'll never know. If it were fabbed at Intel it would've been somewhat believable, on TSMC I'm still betting on at least a marginal loss at these prices.

I think Intel already marked off $300M+ related to the GPU inventory in last quarter. That's probably what they expect to lose over the next couple of quarters selling these cards.

I get the 6800 comparisons too, really an A770 looks like a higher clocked (both GPU and mem) version of a 6800 in terms of the hardware. 256 bit bus, 16GB, Cores/TMU/ROP count is slightly higher than 6800, and about 15% higher clocks on GPU and memory. It's actually a notch better than the 6800 on paper, with just a little bit more of everything.

So this is not low end hardware, it's just crappy unoptimized drivers.

This basically means they are selling an otherwise $600 piece of hardware for $349. I don't think there is any margin there.

My guess is the $349 represents a break-even cost to manufacture the card including the GPU, and they are probably eating the development and support costs which would normally be part of the final price.

Reviews tomorrow :

www.tweaktown.com/news/88798/intel-arc-a770-reviews-go-live-tomorrow-raja-koduri-arrives-on-set/index.html