Wednesday, December 14th 2022

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti to Feature Shorter PCB, 220 Watt TDP, and 16-Pin 12VHPWR Power Connector

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While NVIDIA has launched high-end GeForce RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 GPUs from its Ada Lovelace family, middle and lower-end products are brewing to satisfy the entire consumer market. Today, according to the kopite7kimi, a well-known leaker, we have potential information about the configuration of the upcoming GeForce RTX 4060 Ti graphics card. Featuring 4352 FP32 CUDA cores, the GPU is powered by an AD106-350-A1 die. On the die, there is 32 MB of L2 cache. To pair, it has 8 GB of GDDR6 18 Gbps memory, which should be enough to power games at 1440p resolution, which this card is aiming for.

The design of the cards reference PG190 PCB is supposedly very short, making it ideal for ITX-sized designs we could see from NVIDIA's AIB partners. Interestingly, with a TDP of 220 Watts, the reference card is powered by the infamous 16-pin 12VHPWR connector, capable of supplying 600 Watts of power. This choice of connector is unclear; however, it could be NVIDIA's push to standardize its usage across all products in the Ada Lovelace family stack. While the card should not need the full potential of the connector, it signals that the company could only be using this type of connector for all of its future designs.
Source: @kopite7kimi (Twitter)

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82 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti to Feature Shorter PCB, 220 Watt TDP, and 16-Pin 12VHPWR Power Connector

#26
Arkz
ARFPoor evil nvidia :kookoo:

RTX 3060 Ti - 4864 shaders, 8 GB, 200 watts
RTX 4060 Ti - 4352 shaders, 8 GB, 220 watts

So, 4060 Ti will be slower and yet more power hungry? :kookoo:
No way will the 4060 Ti be slower than the 3060 Ti. Will probably be similar perf to a 3080, just with 2GB less ram, and DLSS3 support.
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#27
Ed_1
bugThe 4080 has slightly fewer shaders then the 3090 and a narrower memory interface. It still ends up ~20% faster.
The 4080 has 736 GB/s BW, thats good, this 4060ti only uses DDR6 at 18gbps with a 128 bit bus and BW of 288 GB/s, way down from 448 GB/s of 3060ti

This seems more what a 4060 should be.
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#28
ARF
ArkzNo way will the 4060 Ti be slower than the 3060 Ti. Will probably be similar perf to a 3080
3070 or 3070 Ti max.

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#29
bug
Ed_1The 4080 has 736 GB/s BW, thats good, this 4060ti only uses DDR6 at 18gbps with a 128 bit bus and BW of 288 GB/s, way down from 448 GB/s of 3060ti

This seems more what a 4060 should be.
The original 3060Ti which the 4060Ti compares to also uses GDDR6. So it's apples-to-apples.
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#30
RedBear
TheLostSwedeGDDR6X is pricey... :rolleyes:
But they're already selling RTX 3060Ti with GDDR6X memory (which, according to a report, should replace the vanilla GDDR6 SKUs)... All in all these GPUs look weird, even more so if the previous rumours about the 128bit memory interface are confirmed, bandwidth would be halved when compared to the RTX 3060Ti GDDR6X (288GB/s vs 608GB/s), I wonder if the larger L2 cache would be enough to compensate.
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#31
Aretak
ArkzNo way will the 4060 Ti be slower than the 3060 Ti. Will probably be similar perf to a 3080, just with 2GB less ram, and DLSS3 support.
It won't be anywhere near a 3080 if these specs are accurate. More like somewhere around the 3070 or 3070 Ti, with Nvidia shilling it hard through DLSS 3 benchmarks. Keep in mind that we still have the regular 4070 to come yet. That'll be the card that slots in at 3080-ish performance.
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#32
usiname
DristunCalling it now: 3070ti performance for 3070ti money but 2 years after and with a crap power connector. Now with fake interpolated frames! It's safe to upgrade.
4060ti will be slower than 3070 non TI
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#33
Arkz
AretakIt won't be anywhere near a 3080 if these specs are accurate. More like somewhere around the 3070 or 3070 Ti, with Nvidia shilling it hard through DLSS 3 benchmarks. Keep in mind that we still have the regular 4070 to come yet. That'll be the card that slots in at 3080-ish performance.
Maybe, but I'd say these specs are inaccurate. Memory bandwidth seems way too low. 2060 was about the same as a 1080, there was no 2060 Ti. 3060 Ti is faster than a 2080 Super though. So I hope this isn't a step back, surely they'd go for 3070 Ti perf as a bare minimum.
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#34
ARF
ArkzMaybe, but I'd say these specs are inaccurate. Memory bandwidth seems way too low. 2060 was about the same as a 1080, there was no 2060 Ti. 3060 Ti is faster than a 2080 Super though. So I hope this isn't a step back, surely they'd go for 3070 Ti perf as a bare minimum.
They won't go back - it's profiteering, they will simply rebadge the RTX 3060 Ti and call it a day. They don't even need a new chip, just new stickers on the boxes, 10% overclock and it's ready.
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#35
Taraquin
ARFPoor evil nvidia :kookoo:

RTX 3060 Ti - 4864 shaders, 8 GB, 200 watts
RTX 4060 Ti - 4352 shaders, 8 GB, 220 watts

So, 4060 Ti will be slower and yet more power hungry? :kookoo:
It will clock about 1000MHz higher so I bet we get about 40% higher performance or about 3080 performance :)
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#36
Arkz
TaraquinIt will clock about 1000MHz higher so I bet we get about 40% higher performance or about 3080 performance :)
Probably more like 700MHz higher. But the memory bandwidth needs to be wrong in this "leak". It's too restricting.
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#37
bug
ArkzProbably more like 700MHz higher. But the memory bandwidth needs to be wrong in this "leak". It's too restricting.
It depends. QHD has half as many pixels as UHD, so you need half the bandwidth to push the same frame rate.
Personally, I was already avoiding 128bit memory buses 10 years ago, I'm not going to jump all over them now.
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#38
Hattu
There are 12 memory chips in that picture. Something is wrong, be it 8Gb or that picture.
HattuThere are 12 memory chips in that picture. Something is wrong, be it 8Gb or that picture.
Seems to be old picture, my bad.
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#39
Chrispy_
Oh dear, 8GB for a card that's lauching Q2 of 2023 and expected to be relevant until 2026?

At 1440p I'm using 7GB+ VRAM on my 3070 in a number of 2021/2022 games. Hell, even Doom Eternal from 2020 is 7GB. Let's just hope they repeat the 3060's 12GB configuration for the 4060.
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#40
ARF
bugIt depends. QHD has half as many pixels as UHD, so you need half the bandwidth to push the same frame rate.
Performance doesn't scale in this way. Many tests in the most recent reviews show very negligible performance decreases with improved resolution.

For example, Forza Horizon:

2160p - 103.7 FPS
1440p - 136.9 FPS
1080p - 149.3 FPS

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT Review - Forza Horizon 5 | TechPowerUp
bugPersonally, I was already avoiding 128bit memory buses 10 years ago, I'm not going to jump all over them now.
Bits are irrelevant, what is important is the type of memory - GDDR7, GGDR7+, etc will be very wide even with 128-bit link.
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#41
Dr. Dro
ARFLet's compare RTX 3090 Ti and RTX 4090.

RTX 3090 Ti - 10752 shaders at 1860 MHz
RTX 4090 - 16384 (52% more) shaders at 2520 MHz (35% higher)

Net performance increase: 45%.

So, RTX 4090 has 52% more shaders at 35% higher clocks and yet manages to return only 45% higher performance.
Not the same architecture as stated earlier. Not comparable. Scaling also isn't linear with more cores: the maximum examples of this are Radeon Fiji and Vega 10, both 56 CU and 64 CU variants performed exceedingly close to each other.
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#43
N/A
ArkzNo way will the 4060 Ti be slower than the 3060 Ti. Will probably be similar perf to a 3080, just with 2GB less ram, and DLSS3 support.
I believe that 4070 is 5% slower than 3080, so 4060Ti 128 bit is nowhere near.
P4-630Oh noooos
As long as one can buy the cable separately and has a modular PSU no biggie. But in all remaining systems this is forcing people to use the ugly version.
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#44
lightning70
ArkzNo way will the 4060 Ti be slower than the 3060 Ti. Will probably be similar perf to a 3080, just with 2GB less ram, and DLSS3 support.
With these values, even counting the 3080's insurmountable high clock speed advantage, the classic performance will be equal to that of the RTX 3070 or 3070 Ti.
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#45
JAB Creations
Not a single comment about 4GB less of video memory, hm. Sniper Elite 5 uses up to 15.7GB of video memory, is the 4060 supposed to be a 720p card?
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#47
Jism
That power connector is eventually adding to additional ewaste as well.
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#48
RedBear
Chrispy_Let's just hope they repeat the 3060's 12GB configuration for the 4060.
Unlikely, both AD106 and AD107 are rumoured to have a 128bit memory bus configuration, if this is confirmed Nvidia is seriously cheaping out on this popular segment. I hope that at least this will translate in better prices compared to the Ampere generation, but I'm sceptical...
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#49
efikkan
bugPersonally, I was already avoiding 128bit memory buses 10 years ago, I'm not going to jump all over them now.
Why are you hung up in specs? Isn't real world performance what matters regardless of how it's achieved?
If someone released a fast GPU with 128-bit memory bus with a very high speed, wouldn't you consider it?
Or if someone released a quad core CPU which kicked the a** of 8-cores, wouldn't you buy it?

We are likely to see faster GDDR6X/7 soon, perhaps even with this generation.
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#50
AusWolf
I wonder why Nvidia is so determined to use the new power connector on every single card. I bet the 30 W GT 4010 will have it too (unless there won't be a 4010 because Nvidia can't be asked to make a card that doesn't cost your liver and a kidney anymore).
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