Sunday, December 18th 2022
Intel Confirms LGA1851 is its Next Desktop CPU Socket
Intel as part of its development process with industry partners and OEMs, allegedly released technical documents in a bare URL that's worded to confirm that its next desktop processor socket will in fact be the LGA1851. We've had some idea since June 2021 that LGA1851 will succeed LGA1700, but this can be taken as a confirmation. Although with a higher pin-count, the LGA1851 package will be physically of an identical size to LGA1700, with mostly identical socket mechanism, so the new socket could maintain cooler compatibility with its predecessor. The additional 151 pins come from shrinking the "courtyard" (the region of the land grid in the center that lacks pins and instead has some electrical ancillaries).
The new Socket LGA1851 platform is expected to power Intel's "Meteor Lake-S" and "Arrow Lake-S" microarchitectures. Whether "Meteor Lake-S" gets the 14th Gen Core branding is a whole different question. Leaked benchmarks suggest that 2023 will be a rather slow year from Intel in the area of desktop processors, and that toward Q3-2023, the company will release the so-called "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors. These chips are likely built on the same LGA1700 package, and as we've seen from "Coffee Lake Refresh," could warrant a new generational branding to 14th Gen Core (as CFL Refresh formed the 9th Gen Core). Intel could increase clock-speeds, E-core counts, and other process/packaging-level innovations to segment these chips apart from existing 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." LGA1851 processors like "Meteor Lake" could debut chiplets for Intel, as these have their CPU cores, iGPU, memory-controllers, and uncore components, spread apart on chiplets built on various foundry nodes.
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The new Socket LGA1851 platform is expected to power Intel's "Meteor Lake-S" and "Arrow Lake-S" microarchitectures. Whether "Meteor Lake-S" gets the 14th Gen Core branding is a whole different question. Leaked benchmarks suggest that 2023 will be a rather slow year from Intel in the area of desktop processors, and that toward Q3-2023, the company will release the so-called "Raptor Lake Refresh" processors. These chips are likely built on the same LGA1700 package, and as we've seen from "Coffee Lake Refresh," could warrant a new generational branding to 14th Gen Core (as CFL Refresh formed the 9th Gen Core). Intel could increase clock-speeds, E-core counts, and other process/packaging-level innovations to segment these chips apart from existing 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake." LGA1851 processors like "Meteor Lake" could debut chiplets for Intel, as these have their CPU cores, iGPU, memory-controllers, and uncore components, spread apart on chiplets built on various foundry nodes.
53 Comments on Intel Confirms LGA1851 is its Next Desktop CPU Socket
Coulda just bought a 8700k and rocked it for 6 years.
I'm just too used to seeing the usual two-generational socket changes from Intel. I used to wonder why, but by now, I've grown totally insensitive to the topic. :ohwell:
We have many reasons for hope, rrrright?
If we look at PCI-E speeds and how much it affects (read: not at all) the gpu performance, I think its not too illogical that given the option you just upgrade your cpu and leave the rest for what it is.
I have a 12600k now, now intention of upgrading anything but the gpu at some fucking point if someting good actually comes out by some miracle, but down the line an upgrade to a ermm 14? 900k would surely be a decent upgrade.
I mean, you can measure the 10-20% difference between generations in benchmarks, but do you actually feel it?
If you upgrading every 3-4 years like the industry average, then intel probably works out cheaper.
But as per my example, if you buy a lower end cpu first with a decent motherboard and ram, like a 12400f or so, that is affordable and perfectly fine, upgrading later to a 2 generations newer cpu with more cores, that can be quite significant for for example games by then, RT benefits from more cores so maybe by then that would be all you need to get a solid system again.
but ultimately personally I dont care, I tend to do waaay longer with my hardware anyway.
Let me explain myself. You say that you left the 1800X, so also the 300 series motherboard. The 400 series is excluded because it was launched with the more powerful 2700X, plus the cheaper 8700K as a variant.
1. Can you get everything out of a PCIe 4.0 SSD beast?
2. Can you get everything out of an RX 6000/RTX3000 or better performance video card?
3. Do you have the features of the 500 series motherboards (IO ports, etc.)?
You changed three processors, all very expensive at launch, for what? Save a $100-150 motherboard? I can do this by reducing the consumption of soft drinks in 3-4 months.
so the tick tock cycle still in action with intel, 1 socket for every 2 gen cpus
So 400$ saved.
Then the 5900X came for 100% free after he reduced consumption of soft drinks for 3-4 months.
Now do the same with my low budget broke setup.
MSI b350 mortar in 2018
2200g
3600 RAM in 2021
5600G in 2022
No dGPU
Almost anyone with an AMD system from 2017+ can upgrade up to 5950X.
What can the 7700K and 8700K motherboard owners upgrade to?
Oh right, only rich people buy intel
Stop defending planned obsolescence.
Same thing is happening with LGA 1700 right now. Faster than Zen 3, faster than Zen 4. Where still 2 more years away from Zen 5 and even then, I doubt the performance increase is even worthy of an upgrade over raptor lake. So where talking what like 2025/2026 by the time there's something even worthwhile to upgrade too? (That doesn't fit the narrative people spew of if you go intel and are platform locked your quickly getting left behind performance wise)
It's also a double edge sword, they'll rip intel for "only 2 generations of cpus" but at the same time give them absolutely zero credit for currently having a modern sub $200 bracket, having cheaper motherboards, and allowing DDR4.Exactly. People act like if your platform locked your hosed but in reality, it might be 2025-2026 by the time there's actually a CPU worthwhile of ditching LGA 1700
If you're not going to be serious, at least bring some humor, like sepheronx did.Very few workloads scale well beyond 6 threads, except for batch-like jobs. But nearly every load scales better on faster cores vs. more cores, not to mention, makes applications much more responsive.
If it turns out to be true that this generation maxes out at 6 P-cores, and the cores are significantly faster, then we can expect a lot of people complain about this being a step backwards, but they will change their mind when they see the results.
I'm just saying. You can't say you saved money if you eat dry bread and other seafood.