Friday, July 20th 2007

Windows Vienna In No less Than 3 Years ?

At Microsoft’s Global Exchange annual sales conference in Orlando this week, Microsoft stated that it is anticipating it will take at least three years from now to get the next version of Windows client out the door. Microsoft officials told MGX attendees that the company is currently internally planning Windows Seven. So far, the company has determined Windows Seven will come in both 32 and 64-bit flavors. No word on how many SKUs or any kind of guidance on features was provided, but Microsoft did say it would address both consumer and business segments with Windows Seven. Microsoft is mulling the concept of how to extend Windows Seven with subscription-based services, according to the deck — more like Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack (MDOP), which Microsoft currently offers to its Software Assurance customers, than Windows Live, however.

Microsoft’s statement:
As part of our ongoing outreach to enterprise customers and partners, Microsoft has begun sharing plans for how they will continue to deliver value to businesses in the future, including Software Assurance customers in particular. As part of this, we are sharing some preliminary information on Windows ‘7’ — the internal name for the next version of the Windows Client OS — as well as updates on other future Windows-related releases such as the Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack. Microsoft is scoping Windows ‘7’ development to a three-year timeframe, and then the specific release date will ultimately be determined by meeting the quality bar. In the meantime, Microsoft is dedicated to helping customers deploy and get the most business value from their PCs using Windows Vista and related technologies like the Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack, and we’re encouraged by the response and adoption of these products so far.
Source: Zdnet
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24 Comments on Windows Vienna In No less Than 3 Years ?

#1
crow1001
Hmmmm, i wonder if Vista will still be a performance hog and still as stable as Paris hilton when the new OS arrives...:rolleyes:
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#2
Nemesis881
by: crow1001
Hmmmm, i wonder if Vista will still be a performance hog and still as stable as Paris hilton when the new OS arrives...:rolleyes:
Lawl.

Why a new OS so quickly? Just make Vista better you morons..
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#3
Benpi
New OS every 4 years sounds right to me. I don't like the idea of subscription services tho.
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#4
lemonadesoda
Vista.11 or Vista SE (Second Edition)! Where is it?
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#5
HellasVagabond
New OS every 3-4 years is ok....Microsoft has been following that road ever since Windows 95 and has yet to fail them.
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#6
Conti027
no rush for me. and ive hear of this befor
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#7
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
They screwed up and now they want a new product to make the old one go away. :nods:
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#8
jocksteeluk
by the next version windows id think it would be time to move to 64bit, 32bit os's should be put to bed by then with legacy support being Vista 32bit.
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#9
Conti027
whats so bad about 32 bit?
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#10
Steevo
4Gb of address space for one.
Two cards with 1Gg each of memory, any memory on the sound card, all your PCI-Express addresses, PCI, Onboard.


And you end up with 1Gb of room left for physical system memory.


No thanks. 64 for me on my next build.
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#11
russianboy
Stupid Stupid Microsoft And Their Stupid X86-32 !
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#12
Wile E
Power User
by: Steevo
4Gb of address space for one.
Two cards with 1Gg each of memory, any memory on the sound card, all your PCI-Express addresses, PCI, Onboard.


And you end up with 1Gb of room left for physical system memory.


No thanks. 64 for me on my next build.
Not to mention, if there isn't a push for x64 in the market, developers are never gonna write for it.
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#13
HellasVagabond
No 32-bit cpu will be able to run windows vienna ( seven ).....
But it could boost sales for people that will have old machines and dream they can run Microsoft's newest OS :)
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#14
Dippyskoodlez
by: HellasVagabond
So far, the company has determined Windows Seven will come in both 32 and 64-bit flavors.
Congratulations microsoft, you just screwed yourself out of the 64 bit transition again.

by: HellasVagabond
No 32-bit cpu will be able to run windows vienna ( seven ).....
But it could boost sales for people that will have old machines and dream they can run Microsoft's newest OS :)
yeah, all 3 of those users?


Microsoft needs to cut the 32 bit lifeline right now, or they are never going to fill out a 64 bit transition with decent hardware support.

They've finally reached a point where 32 bit computers wont ever be upgraded to vista, so why bother. XP does its job, and does it well.
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#15
Demon_82
by: russianboy
Stupid Stupid Microsoft And Their Stupid X86-32 !
Sorry, but x86 (32bits) is originary from Intel, about 27 years ago. Microsoft just has to adapt to it as well as to the AMD64 instruction sets.
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#16
Wile E
Power User
by: Demon_82
Sorry, but x86 (32bits) is originary from Intel, about 27 years ago. Microsoft just has to adapt to it as well as to the AMD64 instruction sets.
I think he was just referring to MS's stubborn refusal to quit making 32bit OSes. I don't think he was reffering to the actual architecture of cpus.
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#17
Demon_82
Actually, he doesn't let it clear, it sounded to me the way I answered. Anyways, if it's as you say, people still with IA-32 CPUs will scream for being left out before they scrap their old computers... I think Microsoft can't cut IA-32 support that so fast, but I'm sure this is the last OS wich will have IA-32 support.
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#18
Dippyskoodlez
by: Demon_82
Actually, he doesn't let it clear, it sounded to me the way I answered. Anyways, if it's as you say, people still with IA-32 CPUs will scream for being left out before they scrap their old computers... I think Microsoft can't cut IA-32 support that so fast, but I'm sure this is the last OS which will have IA-32 support.
The ratio of 64 bit computers running windows Vista to the number that never will or are INCAPABLE of running windows vista I would be willing to bet is quite heavy on the 64 bit side.

Theres little reason Microsoft shouldn't have kept Vista 64 bit only.

They scrapped so much of NT with it, why rebuild it twice? They beefed up hardware requirements, enticing people to upgrade hardware. dual OS's also gives great increases in support costs for both Microsoft and hardware manufacturers.

Simply keeping XP 32 bit and offering a 64bit Vista would have had a little fidgeting from the 32 bit user base at first, but would have given Microsoft a much cleaner upgrade execution, and an actual incentive to upgrade to windows vista.
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#19
Blacklash
Exactly, if they continue to offer the option for 32bit we are never going to see a real shift to 64bit.
When is going to be right time to force the move? It's getting old. Why do people that use x64 sound upset? Folks that want to use x64 are stuck with 32bit if they want reliable support and quality drivers. You end up with crap support and crap drivers for x64.

I use XP SP-2 and Vista x64. Right now there is no comparison in gaming. XP-SP-2 is not only faster it's smoother and more reliable. That could change if MS had the balls to say, "We're moving to x64 folks. It's time." Instead they say, "Oh well, there's no consumer demand.", and there never will be the way they are handling it.

As another said Vista would have been a much better product if it had been purely x64, particularly where security is concerned.

The move certainly doesn't need to be over night and they should have started a push towards it back when Win XP Professional x64 was released.
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#20
Demon_82
Don't forget that Microsoft, (as Intel, AMD, nVidia, Sun...) is a private company which has the benefits as their main objetive. If they can make more money from having both versions, they'll do it that way. It's simple as that, a market study.
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#21
Dippyskoodlez
by: Demon_82
Don't forget that Microsoft, (as Intel, AMD, nVidia, Sun...) is a private company which has the benefits as their main objetive. If they can make more money from having both versions, they'll do it that way. It's simple as that, a market study.
Vista would probably fly off the shelves if it was pure 64 bit. :toast:
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#22
Ben Clarke
Apparantly, Vienna is supposed to be the last system they ever do that is native 32-bit. Or was it Vista? Who cares, one of the two.
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#23
Mad-Matt
I think they really start from scratch this time and have performance as a goal instead of something the hardware makers can look after.

make the devs build and optimise it on a 1ghz 64bit system so that the world can benefit from a new os that might actually boost productivity ;)
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#24
RickyG512
wats the advantages of 64 bit anyway ???
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