Wednesday, August 15th 2007

ALLOFMP3.COM No Punishment

Denis Kvasov has just manged to get off with no charges for his wildly known site ALLOFMP3.com. The site has been shut down by Russia, because of the conditions set by the World Trade Organization. For that reason Denis Kvasov had to face Russia's court, and face all sorts of fines and jail time for breaking copyright laws. In the end it seems that he lucked out with weak, and poorly written copyright laws in the country. The charges simply could not be held against him, and he has been let go without any kind of punishment held against him.Source: The Inquirer
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26 Comments on ALLOFMP3.COM No Punishment

#1
russianboy
in russia, people don't understand the concept of paying for something that doesn't exist.
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#2
erocker
Yarrrr! Mark that one up for the swabs!!! Yar har har har har!
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#3
mdm-adph
I still don't see what this guy was doing wrong, and nobody has been able to explain it to me.
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#4
DaMulta
My stars went supernova
by: mdm-adph
I still don't see what this guy was doing wrong, and nobody has been able to explain it to me.
He just sold digital copies of music that he never paid for. More or less he bought a CD copied it millions of times and made a ton of cash selling it for pure profit.
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#5
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Even more momentum for increased piracy.
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#6
mdm-adph
by: DaMulta
He just sold digital copies of music that he never paid for. More or less he bought a CD copied it millions of times and made a ton of cash selling it for pure profit.
And what of his claim that he did no wrong according to the laws of his country?
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#7
pt
not a suicide-bomber
by: russianboy
in russia, people don't understand the concept of paying for something that doesn't exist.
how's the wheater in the motherland?
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#8
Dippyskoodlez
by: DaMulta
He just sold digital copies of music that he never paid for. More or less he bought a CD copied it millions of times and made a ton of cash selling it for pure profit.
People are in an uproar because its illegal in the US.

He did it in russia.

He faces no charges because its not illegal when and where it was done.

why is this so confusing? :laugh:

The US thinks they can police the world by making a law.

The (people) that believe such are idiots.
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#9
niko084
by: mdm-adph
And what of his claim that he did no wrong according to the laws of his country?
Thats even legal in the united states actually. You can legally copy "backup copies" and sell them to anyone as "backup copies" and you have to quote that because at the point you are now selling a "service" versus a licensed product", don't send a cd key to software mind you. Under the rules that if you use it yourself you have to legally own it. What people do with their "backup copies" is up to them, and you cannot be held liable for it.

Now if they sold the copies as licensed regular copies well now they are in federal court getting pwnd by the multi billion dollar companies.
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Dippyskoodlez
by: niko084
Thats even legal in the united states actually. You can legally copy "backup copies" and sell them to anyone as "backup copies". Under the rules that if you use it you do legally own it.
Thats different.

his claim is perfectly legit, theres no law.. out law'ing it.. where he was :roll:
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#11
russianboy
which is why everyone is gonna move to russia soon :p

$2 for windows XP= major e-penis enlargement
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#12
pt
not a suicide-bomber
by: russianboy
which is why everyone is gonna move to russia soon :p

$2 for windows XP= major e-penis enlargement
2$ in russia???
i can get it for free, forget about moving to the "motherland"
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#13
zekrahminator
McLovin
by: Dippyskoodlez
People are in an uproar because its illegal in the US.

He did it in russia.

He faces no charges because its not illegal when and where it was done.

why is this so confusing? :laugh:

The US thinks they can police the world by making a law.

The (people) that believe such are idiots.
I love how you live in the country you're bashing ;).
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#14
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
by: niko084
Thats even legal in the united states actually. You can legally copy "backup copies" and sell them to anyone as "backup copies" and you have to quote that because at the point you are now selling a "service" versus a licensed product", don't send a cd key to software mind you. Under the rules that if you use it yourself you have to legally own it. What people do with their "backup copies" is up to them, and you cannot be held liable for it.
You can only sell "backup copy services" if the person you are selling the copy to supplied you with the original. You could then return the orginal to them along with the backup and charge for the service of copying

You cannot buy a CD, make a backup copy and sell it to someone else as a "backup copy" while retaining the orginal.
That too, will get you pwned in court.
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#15
pt
not a suicide-bomber
by: zekrahminator
I love how you live in the country you're bashing ;).
it's not bashing
it's the truth :nutkick:
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#16
Dippyskoodlez
by: zekrahminator
I love how you live in the country you're bashing ;).
I DEFEND the country I'm bashing.


I'm allowed.
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#17
Misiowiec
by: Dippyskoodlez
People are in an uproar because its illegal in the US.

He did it in russia.

He faces no charges because its not illegal when and where it was done.

why is this so confusing? :laugh:

The US thinks they can police the world by making a law.

The (people) that believe such are idiots.

Wise words.
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#18
niko084
by: Dippyskoodlez
Thats different.

his claim is perfectly legit, theres no law.. out law'ing it.. where he was :roll:
Ohh wow... Ya there are some countries that don't enforce or even have laws like that too....
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#19
niko084
by: zekrahminator
I love how you live in the country you're bashing ;).
Eh, so do I.... Honestly I just hope not for too much longer.... Figuring 3 more years, and I'm out.
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#21
DRDNA
by: Dippyskoodlez
People are in an uproar because its illegal in the US.

He did it in russia.

He faces no charges because its not illegal when and where it was done.

why is this so confusing? :laugh:

The US thinks they can police the world by making a law.

The (people) that believe such are idiots.
STATED perfectly
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#22
niko084
by: Kreij
You can only sell "backup copy services" if the person you are selling the copy to supplied you with the original. You could then return the orginal to them along with the backup and charge for the service of copying

You cannot buy a CD, make a backup copy and sell it to someone else as a "backup copy" while retaining the orginal.
That too, will get you pwned in court.
Not true. You can create as many backups of a cd/dvd you own as you please and sell them. It's not illegal to posses a copy of data which you do not own the rights to its illegal to use it.

There was a few cases about it when ebay first got really going good and strong because of ebay sellers selling copies of disks as "backup copies", I believe since then ebay has banned burned cds just because they can, but people still sell "Windows 2000Pro" disk, with "No Key" as a "backup disk". With microsoft products its the little card that has the key on it that counts too not the possession of the cd itself.

It is perfectly legal, to keep away from trouble you just add the line in your disclaimer "By purchasing this copy you legally own a copy of this software blah blah blah blah" As a service provider, its not your responsibility to check if people legally own a piece of software, besides what are you going to ask for proof their cd key?!?
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#23
niko084
by: Ben Clarke
Where you going to go?
I have been considering Denmark, but have not made up my mind yet.. I'm waiting to finish out school and then the next few years of putting money together.
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#24
SupperAssBASS
Yup, there is no piratery in the law in my country...
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#25
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
by: niko084
Not true. You can create as many backups of a cd/dvd you own as you please and sell them. It's not illegal to posses a copy of data which you do not own the rights to its illegal to use it.
Wrong.

From the US Copyright Office's web site ...
Is it legal to sell backup copies of computer software (in online auctions or on website)? Is it legal to buy and use a backup copy of software I already own?

No. The Copyright Act does not permit anyone to sell backup copies to third parties separately from the original copy of the software. If you lawfully own a computer program, you may sell or transfer that lawful copy together with a lawfully made backup copy of the software, but you may not sell the backup copy alone.

We have been made aware of websites that are offering to sell “backup” copies of software via download over the Internet or in a custom-burned CD-R format, under the guise that section 117 permits this. Section 117 does NOT permit the sale of backup copies. Again, section 117 does not allow you to sell backup copies to someone else except when such backup copies are sold together with the original lawfully owned copy. It does not allow anyone to solely distribute “backup” copies to the public. In addition to being a violation of the exclusive right of distribution, such activity is also likely to be a violation of the terms of the license to the software. In many cases these sites appear to be a front for distribution of illegal copies, which is copyright infringement. You should be wary of sites that offer to sell you a backup copy.

And if you do buy an illegal backup copy, you will be engaging in copyright infringement if you load that illegal copy onto your computer, i.e., the unauthorized reproduction of the infringing computer program into memory. Lesson: if you want a backup copy of a lawfully owned computer program, back it up yourself.
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