Nice! It looks like the video card wars are starting again. Any word on price on these?

alot better looking than 8800GTS/GTX/Ultra, those cards are too bulky for stock.

eidairaman1alot better looking than 8800GTS/GTX/Ultra, those cards are too bulky for stock.

too bulky for stock??? im guessing that you are reffering to the stock cooler & my reply to that is not everyone wants to run stock speeds. also as dual slot coolers have been around since the ATi 9800 days & seeing how much these much newer cards tend to heat up, id be more comfy with a dual slot cooler even if im not overclocking it.

theyve obviously tested the card to within its 'safety' levels but i still wouldnt want hot air being blasted around n around in my case so good case ventillation is a must with this card

So, lower fabrication process, less power rquirements therefore, less heat hence the single slot solution.....do we have any idea on stream processors etc?

Very nice looking card.

Looks like this is the card I have been waiting for to replace my 7900GTs.

FreedomEclipsetoo bulky for stock??? im guessing that you are reffering to the stock cooler & my reply to that is not everyone wants to run stock speeds. also as dual slot coolers have been around since the ATi 9800 days & seeing how much these much newer cards tend to heat up, id be more comfy with a dual slot cooler even if im not overclocking it.

theyve obviously tested the card to within its 'safety' levels but i still wouldnt want hot air being blasted around n around in my case so good case ventillation is a must with this card

It is the 7800 series all over again. The 7800GTX needed a dual slot cooler to keep them cool, the single slot 7800GTX ran way too hot and had no overclocking room. You have to remember that the G92 is not just another 8800 core, it is a die shrink, which mean less heat.

The 7800GTX 512MB needed this monster to keep it cool at 550MHz with little overclock room, while the 7900GT only needed this to keep it cool at 550MHz with overclock room.

does that cooler fit 7900GS's?

nvidia is trying to counter ati which is good for us consumers :toast:

assassainvidia is trying to counter ati which is good for us consumers :toast:

not if you vow by ATI that is, Boooo Nvidea :D

Isn't competition great? I bet ATI really spooked them with 2900PRO/GT & 2950Pro/GT. I have no doubt these 8800GT cards would have been coming out in December or maybe even Q1 2008. You know, so they have time to clear them 8800GTS/GTX stocks out....cough, cough, urm, I meant work out them G92 bugs or what not. Being the only game in town in that particular performance range and pricing their various 8800 units @ $280/$400+ for another 6 months or so wouldn't have hurt their bottom line. Anywho, I wonder how many ROPs this one is going to have.

But apart from projected core/memory speeds......does anyone have any other spec?

Now THAT'S a nice looking stock cooler.

Too bad it's going to have to come off and be replaced with my HR-03 Plus.

If it's faster, cheaper and cooler than ATI card it's compeating with, I'm game :P

If this has got DX10.1 and SM4.1, I'm gettin' it. I have a weakness for good single slot VC's..

newtekie1the single slot 7800GTX ran way too hot and had no overclocking room

Seriously no overclocking headroom?!

Thats odd I had three 7800GTX 256mb back when they were the performance king (two gainward GS and one Leadtek generic non overclocked model) and all three could hit 530 on the core and 1350 on the memory without any issues what so ever.

In fact the leadtek could hit 550/1400 without any hiccups all with stock cooling. (stock volts)

They also did not run that hot at least no worse than current high end cards with mammoth coolers.

Xaser04Seriously no overclocking headroom?!

Thats odd I had three 7800GTX 256mb back when they were the performance king (two gainward GS and one Leadtek generic non overclocked model) and all three could hit 530 on the core and 1350 on the memory without any issues what so ever.

In fact the leadtek could hit 550/1400 without any hiccups all with stock cooling. (stock volts)

They also did not run that hot at least no worse than current high end cards with mammoth coolers.

My two XFX 7800GTX didn't overclock for shit. Neither one got past 490/650, and in SLI the temperatures would get up into the 90C range, barely acceptable. My Gainward Golden Sample did manage to run cooler in a single card setup, only getting up into the 75C range, but overclocking wasn't much better, 510/700 was as high as I could get it.

I guess "no headroom" was a minor exageration, but compared to the 600/800 I got on the 7900GTs it was a relative statement I was making.

I think we all knew this was comming as soon as ATI released information on their new cards. It should probably perform pretty well.

nice, single slot design, I like it.

Ok, having just done some reading to try and find out more about this card, speculation is that it will come in 2 versions, one estimated to come in at $199 which will have 256MB of GDDR3 and one for $249 which will have 512MB of GDDR3. Both models come with 64 Stream processors but the processor clock is going to be really quick, I think when you compare for example the 2600XT anf the 8600GTS, the 2600 has more SP's but the clocks on the GTS are so much higher it more than makes up for it, that would appear to be the flavour here, ohhhh and they both will have the 256Bit memory bus complete with 55nm fabrication.

The idea is that in performance terms, the 256MB card will sit between the 8600GTS and 320MB 8800GTS (it sounds like the 8600GTS will be binned, keeping the 8600GT but dropping the price a bit to compete with the 2600XT/pro better )and the 512MB version will sit between the 320 and 640MB 8800GTS loosely, of course as I said, LOTS of speculation here. The card should only have a single 6 pin PCI-E power connector but will draw very little from it as the 75W from the motherboard PCI-E socket should provide three quarters of it's power requirement.

All in all then, at stock speeds around and about direct competition for the 2950 I would guess. Further speculation is that it will overclock like mad with so much spare capacity on tap and that if NVidia really wanted to, they could increase the stock core clock by 100mhz and it still would not break into a sweat.

I got all this from 3 different sites that basically said a bit each of what I put here, the most useful of those 3 sites was Guru3D and the OIA.

Hmmm...I was really hoping we would see 96 Steam Processors on this thing. :( I hope that 64 number isn't right.

newtekie1Looks like this is the card I have been waiting for to replace my 7900GTs.



It is the 7800 series all over again. The 7800GTX needed a dual slot cooler to keep them cool, the single slot 7800GTX ran way too hot and had no overclocking room. You have to remember that the G92 is not just another 8800 core, it is a die shrink, which mean less heat.

The 7800GTX 512MB needed this monster to keep it cool at 550MHz with little overclock room, while the 7900GT only needed this to keep it cool at 550MHz with overclock room.

Well, while scouting around the net for info I came across various reviews & reports aswell as posts in other forums that an EVGA 8800GTS would be roughly around 60-75'c from idle to load. obviously that temperature would also depend on the environment that your pc is in as well as inside your pc case.

so my point would be that its 60-75'c 'WITH' the dual slot cooler. & thats still pretty hot! specially if your going to be gaming for a good few hours (my X1800XT got a lot hotter on its stock cooling) so if thats the temperatures of the Dual Slot cooler. i dont think i even need to guess or mention what the temps are going to be like with this single slot solution.

just because its had its dye shrinked doesnt mean that it wont produce any heat, & if you cut down the cooler that doesnt magically make the card run cooler unless you got a mini air con unit in your case then fair enough but I doubt anyone has

The 8800GTS running at 60-75'c with the dual slot cooler has absolutely nothing to do with the argument. The 8800GTS is a 90nm core, the 8800GT will be 55nm, that is a huge die shrink. And a product of that die shrink WILL be much lower temperatures.

And example of this can be seen in the CPU market. Look at the Pentium 4 660 and 661. They are literally identical processor, but one is 90nm and the other is 65nm. The 90nm 660 has a TDP of 115w, while the 65nm 661 has a TDP of 86w.

FreedomEclipseWell, while scouting around the net for info I came across various reviews & reports aswell as posts in other forums that an EVGA 8800GTS would be roughly around 60-75'c from idle to load. obviously that temperature would also depend on the environment that your pc is in as well as inside your pc case.

so my point would be that its 60-75'c 'WITH' the dual slot cooler. & thats still pretty hot! specially if your going to be gaming for a good few hours (my X1800XT got a lot hotter on its stock cooling) so if thats the temperatures of the Dual Slot cooler. i dont think i even need to guess or mention what the temps are going to be like with this single slot solution.

just because its had its dye shrinked doesnt mean that it wont produce any heat, & if you cut down the cooler that doesnt magically make the card run cooler unless you got a mini air con unit in your case then fair enough but I doubt anyone has

Lower fabrication process + a 40% reduction in required power = Single slot cooling solution with temps lower than the 8800GTS IMO. It will run cool with its reduced power requirement otherwise it would not have a single slot!

Stream processors!? Forget them! How many ROPs?

ROP count x GPU Clock = Real power.

Used car dealer: Yeah, this 1988 Ford Escort has 225790 miles on it, and transmission is near death, and most of the undercarriage has rusted away. But it has a leather interior! (leather interior = stream processors)

AddSubStream processors!? Forget them! How many ROPs?

ROP count x GPU Clock = Real power.

Used car dealer: Yeah, this 1988 Ford Escort has 225790 miles on it, and transmission is near death, and most of the undercarriage has rusted away. But it has a leather interior! (leather interior = stream processors)

The 8800GTX has 6 ROPs, which can render 4 pixels each, so that's equivalent to 24, while the GTS has 5, rendering 4 pixels each, so that's equivalent to 20 ROPs.
www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/11/16/review_geforce_8800_gts/