Tuesday, November 27th 2007

Blu-ray Disks Outsell HD-DVD Disks By 3-1 in Europe

The HD-format war stalemate seems to have been smashed to pieces. Thanks to the PlayStation3 shipping with a Blu-ray drive, several million gamers have a Blu-ray player already attached to their HDTV, and are not bothered to buy an HD-DVD player. Now that several million gamers have a Blu-ray player, they're buying Blu-ray movies to watch. Of 1,369,863 HD movies sold last month, a relatively paltry 369,863 of them were HD-DVD. What's more, if Blu-ray sales figures included actual Blu-ray games sold, then there would have been more than 21 million Blu-ray disks sold. The main movie that attributed to such successful Blu-ray sales was the extremely awesome movie "300", which was a very graphic portrayal of the battle of Thermopylae.Source: Reg Hardware
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56 Comments on Blu-ray Disks Outsell HD-DVD Disks By 3-1 in Europe

#1
zekrahminator
McLovin
by: effmaster
Well no offense to Zek about what I said BUT PERSONALLY I don't want to have a really biased article in the news section does that seem any clearer now?
Alright, alright, hold up a minute.


What bias are you talking about? I said I favored 300, not either one of the formats. I can find five independent movie reviews in the next ten minutes that agree with me that 300 is an extremely awesome movie. If it really bothers you that much, I'll change it to "the extremely successful movie 300." However, little unrelated things like that keep the news section interesting, in my opinion, and separate TPU from the other sites that only throw in PRs and "company X sues company Y" type garbage :).
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by: Davidelmo
No it isn't!
But it is, even on 30-40 inch screens it is noticeable, you simply can't argue your point here because it's completely invalid. There is a huge difference between HD and SD material, really massive - I can't watch DVDs on my HD screens anymore because I know how much better it can be. Not only that but the audio too is much improved, better than the cinema by far.

As for the "it's not like the difference between VHS and DVD" argument, that's not a valid comparison. Back then we were considering the difference it made moving from analogue to digital storage, now we are talking about higher resolutions and bitrates, as well as improved encoding technology.
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#3
effmaster
by: zekrahminator
Alright, alright, hold up a minute.


What bias are you talking about? I said I favored 300, not either one of the formats. I can find five independent movie reviews in the next ten minutes that agree with me that 300 is an extremely awesome movie. If it really bothers you that much, I'll change it to "the extremely successful movie 300." However, little unrelated things like that keep the news section interesting, in my opinion, and separate TPU from the other sites that only throw in PRs and "company X sues company Y" type garbage :).
Don't play dumb Zek you know full well what I mean. The fact that the article in the link states that there is an attach rate of 12 Blu-Ray discs per player is just plain bullshit, you know it and I know it.
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#5
Ravenas
by: effmaster
Don't play dumb Zek you know full well what I mean. The fact that the article in the link states that there is an attach rate of 12 Blu-Ray discs per player is just plain bullshit, you know it and I know it.
You really need to calm down :laugh:

Furthermore, how would know?

Lastly, it may be true. Every time you buy a Blu-Ray player you get 5-15 free (I've seen offers of anywhere from 5 to 15 free) Blu-Ray movies, plus whatever other Blu-Ray movies you buy before you get the "free" movies in the mail. The new 40gb PS3 comes with a free Blu-Ray movie itself. It becomes very easy to believe this may be true. What's more, I have 6 Blu-Ray movies right now and I don't even have a damn HDTV (I just bought my PS3 Friday, so there's a 6 attachment rate). If I had a HDTV I would probably have 12 ;)

My advice to you, don't just assume something is false just because YOU can't BELIEVE that this could be happening.
:wtf:
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#6
effmaster
by: Ravenas
You really need to calm down :laugh:

Furthermore, how would know?

Lastly, it may be true. Every time you buy a Blu-Ray player you get 5-15 free (I've seen offers of anywhere from 5 to 15 free) Blu-Ray movies, plus whatever other Blu-Ray movies you buy before you get the "free" movies in the mail. The new 40gb PS3 comes with a free Blu-Ray movie itself. It becomes very easy to believe this may be true. What's more, I have 6 Blu-Ray movies right now and I don't even have a damn HDTV (I just bought my PS3 Friday, so there's a 6 attachment rate). If I had a HDTV I would probably have 12 ;)

My advice to you, don't just assume something is false just because YOU can't BELIEVE that this could be happening.
:wtf:
HD DVD gives out 5 free HD DVDs with every purchase same as Blu Ray and the highest I have ever heard for free movies for Blu Ray was 5 free with each purchase so then why would the attachment rate for HD DVD be 3.8. Does that ring any bells now?:slap:

And also just so you know it says that there is an attach rate of 12 GAMES per PS3 in the articles link which we can all agree is false It isnt even refferring to movies
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#7
Ravenas
by: effmaster
HD DVD gives out 5 free HD DVDs with every purchase same as Blu Ray and the highest I have ever heard for free movies for Blu Ray was 5 free with each purchase so then why would the attachment rate for HD DVD be 3.8. Does that ring any bells now?:slap:

And also just so you know it says that there is an attach rate of 12 GAMES per PS3 in the articles link which we can all agree is false It isnt even refferring to movies
Yes, but that's an AVERAGE. They're not saying each person buys 12 games, they're saying with those numbers, that's what the average is however some people are buying more games than others.
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#8
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
Ya blu-ray... I am going to get one on the drives when they become cheap for the blue laser!
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#9
kwchang007
by: effmaster
HD DVD gives out 5 free HD DVDs with every purchase same as Blu Ray and the highest I have ever heard for free movies for Blu Ray was 5 free with each purchase so then why would the attachment rate for HD DVD be 3.8. Does that ring any bells now?:slap:

And also just so you know it says that there is an attach rate of 12 GAMES per PS3 in the articles link which we can all agree is false It isnt even refferring to movies
Maybe some idiots don't know about it or HD DVD doesn't push that.

As far as games that totally concerns this, if PS3 games sell well that means Blu-ray has to live so it doesn't matter if it loses in movies, there will always be Blu-ray media out.
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#10
effmaster
by: Ravenas
Yes, but that's an AVERAGE. They're not saying each person buys 12 games, they're saying with those numbers, that's what the average is however some people are buying more games than others.
Sure but then the vast majority i.e more than 50 % of them are buying more than 12 games for their PS3 I thought that the PS3 was lagging behind in both software and hardware sales at least here in the U.S. Last I checked the attach rate here in the U.S. was maybe 2 games per PS3 not 12 or more on average.
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#11
Ravenas
by: effmaster
Sure but then the vast majority i.e more than 50 % of them are buying more than 12 games for their PS3 I thought that the PS3 was lagging behind in both software and hardware sales at least here in the U.S. Last I checked the attach rate here in the U.S. was maybe 2 games per PS3 not 12 or more on average.
I currently have 5 games, but I'm a single player junky (mostly because my internet sucks). This article is also referring to Europe, so the U.S. sales aren't in question.
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#12
effmaster
by: Ravenas
I currently have 5 games, but I'm a single player junky (mostly because my internet sucks). This article is also referring to Europe, so the U.S. sales aren't in question.
Then maybe they are referring to game rentals because I just cant see very many people buying 12 $60 games in Europe since March 2007 currently after all 60 Euros is worth more than what the U.S. dollar is
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#13
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
by: effmaster
Then maybe they are referring to game rentals because I just cant see very many people buying 12 $60 games in Europe since March 2007 currently after all 60 Euros is worth more than what the U.S. dollar is
yea, that seems a bit out of the ordinary. i bet most ps3 owners bought 6 games all year. and then maybe a small percentage bought more than 10 games.
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#14
zekrahminator
McLovin
by: effmaster
Don't play dumb Zek you know full well what I mean. The fact that the article in the link states that there is an attach rate of 12 Blu-Ray discs per player is just plain bullshit, you know it and I know it.
...No, I don't. I'm not responsible for making sales figures, all I do is report them. If you have an issue with the guys that made the sales figures, take it up with them.
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#15
effmaster
by: zekrahminator
...No, I don't. I'm not responsible for making sales figures, all I do is report them. If you have an issue with the guys that made the sales figures, take it up with them.
Do you beleive everything that the article states Zek? Because if you don't then why did you put it in the news section
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#16
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
why does this article offend so many people? sure, zek put a little bit of bias into his writeup, but he didnt make up the numbers. if you have an issue with numbers take it up with the author of the article and leave zek alone!!!
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#17
zekrahminator
McLovin
Yeah guys, I've got two school projects to bullshit and customs forms to fill out, leave me be.
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#18
Wile E
Power User
by: v-zero
But it is, even on 30-40 inch screens it is noticeable, you simply can't argue your point here because it's completely invalid. There is a huge difference between HD and SD material, really massive - I can't watch DVDs on my HD screens anymore because I know how much better it can be. Not only that but the audio too is much improved, better than the cinema by far.

As for the "it's not like the difference between VHS and DVD" argument, that's not a valid comparison. Back then we were considering the difference it made moving from analogue to digital storage, now we are talking about higher resolutions and bitrates, as well as improved encoding technology.
I agree 100%. I used to think my DVDs upconverted to 720p looked great, but then I bought my HD-DVD add on, and the difference was amazing. The difference was even more substantial if I compared HD DVD to a DVD that wasn't upconverted.

I would absolutely say the picture quality difference is comparable to the difference between VHS and DVD.
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#19
Xaser04
And yet HD sales as a total pale in comparison to DVD

[quote-Davidelmo]Seriously, no-one in the UK cares at all. For the vast majority of people, watching a DVD is just fine on their ~40 inch TV. The difference between DVD and HD=DVD/BluRay just isn't huge enough to warrant spending £600 on a BluRay player.

I think neither format will "win." Both will continue to lag behind ordinary DVD sales until they are both cheap enough to co-exist.[/quote]Where in the world are you getting your prices from. You are aware that the PS3 is a blu-ray player arn't you and it can be bought for £300 (or less if you look around).

The difference in picture quality between a DVD movie and the same movie on Blu-ray is easily apparent. I fail to see how you couldn't see the difference between the two especially if they were playing next to one another.

Whether its worth the money is subjective.
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#20
Xaser04
Sorry my manual quoting didn't work there. I think its just about clear what I was trying to say

(I can't edit my own posts so if a mod could kindly change the - to a = that would be great.
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#21
EastCoasthandle
Here is another article that echoes my previous post.
Blu-ray still lags behind in standalone player sales

HD DVD reached another milestone today as they have sold over 750,000 standalone and Xbox 360 external HD DVD players, while the Blu-ray camp continues to lag behind with standalone player numbers believed to be between 400,000 – 500,000 total units sold. However, if you count the over 2 million Playstation 3 gaming consoles as Blu-ray players, the Blue-ray camp still has quite a lead, but HD DVD is narrowing the gap. Many industry observers feel that that counting Playstation 3 units as Blu-ray players is misleading, as many PS3 owners are not playing Blu-ray movies on their PS3 units and use them strictly for gaming.

Toshiba also announced the release of new firmware for its third generation HD DVD players. The new 1.3 firmware is available for the HD-A30, HD-A3, HD-D3, and the HD-A35. The new firmware is said to improve network connectivity for the download of Web-enabled content from some titles, improvements to video and audio with some titles, and most importantly, it resolves some issues with HDMI/DVI compatibility experienced by some users.

While some in the industry continue to toll the bell for the death of HD DVD, it is clear that the HD DVD group led by Toshiba is making some progress. As things stand at the moment, reports of increased sales and rental of HD DVD titles have been reported and the HD DVD players with their lower price continue to be a hot item this holiday season. The war continues, and it isn’t over by a long shot.
Summary:
-HD has sold 750,000 stand alone players
-BR has sold between 400,000-500,000 stand alone players
-2+ mill PS3 are not dedicated players and people are not buying them to play BR movies
-HD sold at a much lower price then BR is gaining momentum.
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#22
effmaster
Thank you for saying that way better than I could east coast lol:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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#23
lemonadesoda
effmaster used the wrong words... but I think he had the right sentiment... which is:

1./ Lets keep interesting tech NEWS in NEWS

2./ Lets keep marketing spin OUT of NEWS. If you want to post it, put it in General Nonesense

3./ NEWS posters have a responsibility to make a judgement on 1. and 2. when posting

4./ MODERATORS are loved and respected. That love and respect is lost if they dont do 3.

5./ We dont want unloved unrespected MODS, so, PLEASE, do 3.
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#24
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
2./ Lets keep marketing spin OUT of NEWS.
Good luck. Every news article that I have ever read in my life has some sort of spin to it.
So no more new tech hardware release info in NEWS?
They all have marketing spin.
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#25
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
My only question is, if this was saying it about HD-DVD, would you all be bitching and moaning to Zek about it? I personally do not think so. Maybe they inflated the numbers, maybe they didnt. Maybe they are true, who the hell cares. To get mad at something like this is preposterous. Get a life people. (No this isnt a personal attack on anyone).
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