Tuesday, March 11th 2008

Internet Explorer 5.5 Beats IE 6 and 7 in Web Standards Test

Some readers may already be familiar with the Web Standards Project, which claims it “fights for standards that reduce the cost and complexity of development while increasing the accessibility and long-term viability of any site published on the Web.” The Acid Tests provided by the project are commonly used as a benchmark to see how compatible different browsers are, and Internet Explorer has found itself on the end of much criticism when it comes to this, being beaten by nearly all competing browsers such as Opera, Firefox, Safari and Konqueror. However, in the recently launched Acid Test 3, the ancient Internet Explorer 5.5 manages to outscore both IE 6 and 7, reaching a still rather miserable 14% compared to 12% for the other two. Meanwhile, Konqueror leads the pack with 62%, with Firefox in fourth on 52% and Opera a little way down the table at 46%, ahead of Safari on 39%. In terms of beta browsers, Safari is well out in front on 90%, and IE 8 trails at the bottom on 17%.

Source: Anomalous Anomaly
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77 Comments on Internet Explorer 5.5 Beats IE 6 and 7 in Web Standards Test

#2
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
i got a 67/100 with my firefox anyone else? im using beta4
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#3
Dangle
Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?
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mdm-adph
by: Dangle
Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?
Think about that question a second.

...thought about it?

Okay:

Why does it matter if web-page creators follow standards if browsers won't support them? If browser developers don't follow recommended standards, then web-page creators can't, either.
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Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
web page code kinda makes the standards....that and if browser developers follow standards its more secure.
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GJSNeptune
by: Dangle
Can someone please explain why there is an emphasis on browser developers to follow certain standards and not the web-page creators?
by: mdm-adph
Why does it matter if web-page creators follow standards if browsers won't support them? If browser developers don't follow recommended standards, then web-page creators can't, either.
Precisely. How do you think all the computer parts you order fit together? Standards.


Web developers have to conform to browsers. The biggest headache is cross-browser compatibility. Someday it won't be such a big issue. Hopefully.
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Dangle
Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.

by: GJSNeptune
How do you think all the computer parts you order fit together? Standards.
They don't. I don't have any IDE ports on my MOBO. I don't have an AMD socket. Most software isn't compatible on Mac, Windows, and Linux.
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#8
GJSNeptune
I hate Flash. It can be done tastefully, but most of the time it's abused and merely for the novelty of it.
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#9
Dangle
Yea, but the point is, there are no standards in the computer world. If you want to write software for a platform that most ppl use, you'll write it for windows. If there are a 100% standard for everything in tech, that would be a monopoly / communism, which is bad. You can't have a small elitest group dictate what must be done in the tech world.

If you really don't like the way IE displays dotted borders, get a different browser. problem solved.
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mdm-adph
by: Solaris17
web page code kinda makes the standards....that and if browser developers follow standards its more secure.
Oh, how I wish that were the case.

by: Dangle
Flash doesn't follow standards. If you want a 100% compliant browser, it wouldn't allow flash vids, or support anything befor XHTML Strict. If a website looks shitty, it's the creator's fault, not the browser's. I think the standard should be what people actually use, and not what a small group of uberNerds dictate. I thought nobody was supposed to own the internet.
Internally, Flash doesn't have to follow anyone's standards -- it's a plugin. Externally, it has to adhere to certain standards to work inside web pages, which it does.

But yeah, nobody's supposed to own the internet -- this includes Microsoft. The W3C (the organization that largely makes what is considered "standard" code on the web) is a healthy compromise -- it's board comprises members from many different companies, countries, and organizations, including Microsoft, if I'm not mistaken.
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mdm-adph
by: Dangle
If there are a 100% standard for everything in tech, that would be a monopoly / communism, which is bad. You can't have a small elitest group dictate what must be done in the tech world.
Funny -- if there's wasn't a pretty much 100% standard for how TCP/IP worked, you wouldn't even be able to say that. :shadedshu
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btarunr
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by: Solaris17
i got a 67/100 with my firefox anyone else? im using beta4
Strange but the GP beta4 you have beats the stable Opera 9.26 (8835) in Acid3

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Dangle
by: mdm-adph
(flash) Externally, it has to adhere to certain standards to work inside web pages, which it does.
Not W3's standards.
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#14
asb2106
firefox beta 4 -

sorry i thought i was beta 3, i forgot it updated this morning
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#15
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
FF portable

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#16
Water Drop
I get 52 in Acid 3 with Firefox 2.0.0.12 in Vista Ultimate x64. I get 12 in Acid 3 with IE7 64 bit under the same OS. Also get 12 with IE7 non-64 bit (regular 32 bit IE7).
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#17
Dangle
If not a single browser can render that page sucessfully, then it's obviously not representing any sort of standard whatsoever. That's George Bush announcing that Arabic is the United States' standard langage.
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#18
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
explorer 6.00.29 got 11/100 :roll:
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#19
mdm-adph
by: Dangle
Not W3's standards.
Yes, W3's standards: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3

Have you ever worked in web design before? If so, you should know that just because MS has their own hacked-together method for doing something doesn't mean there isn't a standardized way of doing it (methods which companies like Adobe adhere to).
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mdm-adph
by: Dangle
If not a single browser can render that page sucessfully, then it's obviously not representing any sort of standard whatsoever. That's George Bush announcing that Arabic is the United States' standard langage.
No, it isn't. (Please don't compare the W3C to George Bush.) This is like a group of the world's most premier linguists and experts on language declaring that Navajo should be the standard language of the United States because it best represents the original ideas of the country.

No, it might not be entirely practical, because we've all grown up speaking something differently, but an intelligent person should at least acknowledge this eminent group's advice, don't you think?
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#21
csendesmark
Opera 9.26 is doing Acid2 fine :)
but FF 2.0.0.12 cant draw correctly
(My favorite is Opera of course)
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#22
Darknova
Opera 9.5 latest BETA gets 65
IE8 gets 17
IE8 in IE7mode gets 14
The latest full Opera gets to 52 before crashing lol.

That's what I get on my PC with those browsers.
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#23
imperialreign
Kinda funny, IMO, how IE continues to *fail* at these "web standards" tests, when the majority of websites on the internet are still coded more for IE over other browsers . . .

so, which specific standard are we going by, then?
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#24
Dangle
by: mdm-adph
Yes, W3's standards: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3
Show me one site that validates in XHTML Strict with an embedded flash object.

by: mdm-adph
No, it might not be entirely practical, because we've all grown up speaking something differently, but an intelligent person should at least acknowledge this eminent group's advice, don't you think?
Absolutely not. It's a waste of time and won't get anybody anywhere. We've already adopted a standard - it's called popular use. Whatever people are using is the standard. If you come up with some POS that NOBODY is using, you can't call it a standard.
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asb2106
by: Darknova
Opera 9.5 latest BETA gets 65
IE8 gets 17
IE8 in IE7mode gets 14
The latest full Opera gets to 52 before crashing lol.

That's what I get on my PC with those browsers.
first off, let me make this known, i will never use IE

but in defense of IE 8, it is in its first stage of BETA, it will take some time to work it all together
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