Thursday, May 22nd 2008

Eizo Targets Gamers with New 24-inch HD2452W Screen

Eizo, a Japanese company very famous with its first class LCD monitors, will release next month the FlexScan HD2452W, an LCD screen oriented to computer gamers. This 24.1-inch widescreen display boasts resolution of 1920x1200 pixels, 450cd/m2 brightness, contrast ratio of 1000:1, 16ms response time (no TN panel for sure), and 178 degrees horizontal and vertical viewing angles. On the backside of the monitor you'll find two HDMI ports, DVI-D with HDCP, D-Sub 15 pin, USB-Hub, D4-Video, Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr), Composite-Video and S-Video inputs. The package even includes a remote. The FlexScan HD2451W will hit Japan first sometime next month for ¥129,800 or 800€.

Source: Pocket-link.co.uk
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40 Comments on Eizo Targets Gamers with New 24-inch HD2452W Screen

#1
jbunch07
kinda blah looking but has nice features.
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#2
Silverel
16ms response time? That's supposed to be for gamers?

Around 5ms is generally recommended...
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#3
Haytch
No serious gamer would go beyond the 2ms responce time. Most are still trying to handle the crappy 2ms responce time after coming from 1ms responce time crt's monitors.

Besides, it kinds defeats the purpose of having a keyboard, mouse and other accessories all with a <1ms responce time.

It must be for people that play Solitare and online backgammon.
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#4
jbunch07
yea i was wondering why the response time was so high....not very gamer like...
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#5
EastCoasthandle
16ms response time? It doesn't say so in the article?
178 degrees horizontal and vertical viewing angles? This is also not mentioned in the link. Is there another link?

Here is an example of full power and quality of a Eizo monitor
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#6
jbunch07
by: malware
Eizo, a Japanese company very famous with its first class LCD monitors, will release next month the FlexScan HD2452W, an LCD screen oriented to computer gamers. This 24.1-inch widescreen display boasts resolution of 1920x1200 pixels, 450cd/m2 brightness, contrast ratio of 1000:1, 16ms response time (no TN panel for sure), and 178 degrees horizontal and vertical viewing angles. On the backside of the monitor you'll find two HDMI ports, DVI-D with HDCP, D-Sub 15 pin, USB-Hub, D4-Video, Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr), Composite-Video and S-Video inputs. The package even includes a remote. The FlexScan HD2451W will hit Japan first sometime next month for ¥129,800 or 800€.



Source: Pocket-link.co.uk
yes it does.
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#7
EastCoasthandle
by: jbunch07
yes it does.
No, it does not. You only quoted the news, I said the actual article. IE Link
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#9
ningen
TN is no good at this panel size though. Even on 22'' it's difficult to avoid angle discoloration if you're close to the screen.

Also, knowing EIZO, its 16ms may be just better than some 5ms advertised panels that suffer from overburning or something.

Good testing is needed, specs can't tell too much about the quality.
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#10
EastCoasthandle
I honestly thought by now Eizo would be advertising 120Hz 24" monitors. At the very least LED monitors.


by: jbunch07
oh ok.

my apologies!
NP
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#11
magibeg
by: Haytch
No serious gamer would go beyond the 2ms responce time. Most are still trying to handle the crappy 2ms responce time after coming from 1ms responce time crt's monitors.

Besides, it kinds defeats the purpose of having a keyboard, mouse and other accessories all with a <1ms responce time.

It must be for people that play Solitare and online backgammon.
I would be outstandingly surprised if you had any ghosting with a 2ms response time :-O!!! Or even a true 12ms response time. Even on the 16ms monitor i have upstairs its still doesn't really suffer any ghosting. Then again i suppose i don't have eagle eyes that can differentiate images at 1/500th of a second.

I wish i saw life like you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNn5SXXZoVs
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#12
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
quality is one thing bu my monitor is 2ms 3000-1 contrast ratio and their is no way i woupld replace this with anything that had those specs....
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#13
Black Panther
Senior Moderator™
Eizo at 16ms response? I'm sure they don't mean grey to grey but 16ms black to white.
My monitor is 2ms grey to grey. Black to white it'd be much higher, as are all monitors who quote a g2g response time.
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#15
Black Panther
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by: ShadowFold
Isnt 16ms REALLY bad?
Yup... that's why I don't think it's a g2g definition.
Before I bought my LG I looked at the Eizo, they're one of the top of the tops... If only I had the $$$.......
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#16
ktr
yea, 8ms is more or less the maximum response rate you want. Any higher, you will suffer ghosting.
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#18
Mussels
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the key here is that most brands only list the easiest results - grey to grey 2ms, doesnt mean that say, black to white isnt 30ms.

My brother had an 8ms benQ years ago, that someone proved to have 16ms grey to red - anything with lots of red (doom 3, was a good one) blurred horribly.

These guys are probably quoting their WORST spec, as opposed to their BEST.
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#19
Easy Rhino
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by: Mussels
the key here is that most brands only list the easiest results - grey to grey 2ms, doesnt mean that say, black to white isnt 30ms.

My brother had an 8ms benQ years ago, that someone proved to have 16ms grey to red - anything with lots of red (doom 3, was a good one) blurred horribly.

These guys are probably quoting their WORST spec, as opposed to their BEST.
that is very true. however we won't know unless someone does a benchmark on it. i'm almost positive the acer i mentioned in my post is slower than 2ms when it counts. which is why it does pay to go with the name brand stuff. they are usually more reputable.
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#20
Esse
by: ShadowFold
Isnt 16ms REALLY bad?
That depends. All companies use their own way of benchmarking how well their screens are.

16ms to EIZO is probably 5ms to Samsung.
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#21
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
16ms black to white is quite good. My 2ms LG 22" only has 20ms.
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#22
ShinyG
This monitor has a lot of nice features, like loads of inputs, a remote and it's a non-TN panel (hopefully IPS), which means color precision and huge (real) viewing angles. The response time might sound too big at first, but that's not everything!

I'm a perfectly happy gamer on my 20" Dell (S-IPS panel) which is rated at 16ms (black to white) or 8ms g2g. I play a lot of TF2, and before that I played lots of CS. No lag, no afterglow!
The manufacturers are still trying to convince people that the response time is the most important characteristic.
You can search xbitlabs for their LCD tech articles (really good) and for the most professional LCD tests/reviews I've seen by now, check out behardware.com
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#24
Assimilator
I recently bought a Acer P243W LCD and it performs just as well as my previous monitor, a 19" Samsung 940BF (also 2ms g2g). I am an FPS fan, so I'm very picky about how much lag/ghosting I'm prepared to put up with, and the Acer has given me no problems. Yes, there are better 24" LCDs out there, but are any of them as inexpensive as the Acer?

Back on topic: that 16ms figure is the black-to-black time, the HD245W's gray-to-gray is a more respectable 6ms (sauce).

Seems like the HD2441W that marsey linked will be the version sold to Western markets, as the specs are identical (except for the remote control :p).
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#25
Black Panther
Senior Moderator™
On/Off Response Time -- 16 ms (typical)
Midtone Response Time -- 6 ms
Now that doesn't sound as fantastic as I imagined... :ohwell:

Most of us who have response times of 2 ms, 5 ms and 6 ms, that is the mid-tone (grey to grey or g2g for short).
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