Scrizzmy friend has a 865G board that supports quads and AGP :laugh:

i have one to its sitting in my dads PC

cdawalli have one to its sitting in my dads PC

I love the 865 chipset, I have sold several 865 - 775 based PCs at that time.
In my case I have AGP and Phenom, but Nvidia's Gart driver is compatible with single and dual cores only, when 3 or 4 cores are present, my AGP card turns to PCI mode and I loose half the performance. Don't think it happens on the 865

865 P/PE in my Dell Inspiron XPS/9100, with a P4 EE 3.4 Gallatin and a M18 Graphics card, 2 gigs ram, 100 GB HD.

Haha, this is turning into "The Classics" thread haha.

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cdawalli ithink the point was that AMD has generally offered a more stable set of sockets at least as far as upgrades go.

i have to say even 1st gen AM2 boards "support" 45nm phenom but manufacturers wont update the BIOS on them they want you to spend YOUR money on THEIR new boards



thing about that is its still faster than going to the ram 1.8ghz vs 1066mhz hmmm which do you think is faster

That's just not the case on many boards. Some of them can never support Phenom, because their bios memory is not large enough. AMD never hinted to Phenom requiring more BIOS memory. It's a screw up on both the manufacturer's and AMD's end.

about socket longivity lets look at something folks cmon lets look

1994 Socket 5 comes out
1995 Socket 7 Replaces Socket 5 Both AMD and Intel Adopt
1997 Slot 1 comes out for Pentium II because of L2 Issues AMD stays Socket7
1998 Socket 370 Arrives for Celeron Later adopted for P3 in 1999 move by intel to cut costs
1999 SlotA arrives for AMD allows L2 Caches on CPU at reasonable cost
2000 Socket A arrives because of advancements to allow onboard L2 Saves Costs
2000 Socket 423 Arrives to support P4 because of new Bus design
2001 Socket 478 arrives becuase of data restrictions on 423
2003 Socket 754 and 940 arrive bring 64bit Support
2003 Socket 775 Arrives brings about high data width and dual cores
2004 Socket 939 Arrives to bring a 128bit mem controller
2006 Socket AM2 Arrives to bring DDR2 support for AM2

Now honestly granted SocketA was in use for a long time, can your SDR KT133 board run an Athlon XP3200? No it can not, you had to upgrade because of chipset limitations, same with K6-2 400 and up, you need a new Super7 board to run them at clock speed force upgrade but for a good reason. Later we get 754 and 940, 940 is for workstations 754 is for Desktops, but no dual channel, so a year later they update it for dual channel and 2 years later update it again for DDR2, which i know we want to bitch but honestly how many issues would there have been if we had gone 939 DDR2 and users bought DDR2 Ram instead of DDR and amd would have gotten alot of flack for it, smart move by them. In 2007 it got an update to AM2+ to better support quads with HT3.0 makes sense to me.

Now to Intel ok. Slot1 was release because at the time onboard L2 was not economical but motherboard L2 @ 66mhz was showing its age this was a move to give us preformace, the move to 370 was because L2 could now go ondie and it saved us money. 423 was so we could have quad pumped bus, and 478 was a fix for a defective design that didnt offer enough pins for the P4's bandwith. 775 was planned again at first to replace 478 and force us, but i belive intel though about it and new they would make a PentiumD.

You do not buy a motherboard in hopes its good next year you buy it to use what you want today. Sockets will always go obsolete as tech advances and even the long standing sockets are not uber as we think look what i said about Socket7 or socket A for that proof

3.4 , it's good we can compare it with q6600 now

JudasLol your's is a dual core this is a quad, mind you it does seem quite power hungry

My Q6700 is at 3.2Ghz at only 1.3 Vcore in BIOS. G0 Stepping of course but hey that just shows the greatness of the Core 2 design. Those SuperPi scores don't look that great though clock for clock.

candle_86about socket longivity lets look at something folks cmon lets look

1994 Socket 5 comes out
1995 Socket 7 Replaces Socket 5 Both AMD and Intel Adopt
1997 Slot 1 comes out for Pentium II because of L2 Issues AMD stays Socket7
1998 Socket 370 Arrives for Celeron Later adopted for P3 in 1999 move by intel to cut costs
1999 SlotA arrives for AMD allows L2 Caches on CPU at reasonable cost
2000 Socket A arrives because of advancements to allow onboard L2 Saves Costs
2000 Socket 423 Arrives to support P4 because of new Bus design
2001 Socket 478 arrives becuase of data restrictions on 423
2003 Socket 754 and 940 arrive bring 64bit Support
2003 Socket 775 Arrives brings about high data width and dual cores
2004 Socket 939 Arrives to bring a 128bit mem controller
2006 Socket AM2 Arrives to bring DDR2 support for AM2

Now honestly granted SocketA was in use for a long time, can your SDR KT133 board run an Athlon XP3200? No it can not, you had to upgrade because of chipset limitations, same with K6-2 400 and up, you need a new Super7 board to run them at clock speed force upgrade but for a good reason. Later we get 754 and 940, 940 is for workstations 754 is for Desktops, but no dual channel, so a year later they update it for dual channel and 2 years later update it again for DDR2, which i know we want to bitch but honestly how many issues would there have been if we had gone 939 DDR2 and users bought DDR2 Ram instead of DDR and amd would have gotten alot of flack for it, smart move by them. In 2007 it got an update to AM2+ to better support quads with HT3.0 makes sense to me.

Now to Intel ok. Slot1 was release because at the time onboard L2 was not economical but motherboard L2 @ 66mhz was showing its age this was a move to give us preformace, the move to 370 was because L2 could now go ondie and it saved us money. 423 was so we could have quad pumped bus, and 478 was a fix for a defective design that didnt offer enough pins for the P4's bandwith. 775 was planned again at first to replace 478 and force us, but i belive intel though about it and new they would make a PentiumD.

You do not buy a motherboard in hopes its good next year you buy it to use what you want today. Sockets will always go obsolete as tech advances and even the long standing sockets are not uber as we think look what i said about Socket7 or socket A for that proof

you forgot to add when AMD stopped selling s754 parts because those actually out lasted s939

Its also sorta ironic, AMD said they would keep supporting 939 as long as there was demand.. shortly after AM2 arrives AMD drop 939 like a stone.

AssimilatorSocket 775 (aka Socket T) was released in 2004.
Socket AM2 was released in 2006.

So Darknova, please stop your whining about Intel's "constant socket changes", it just shows how much of an AMD fanboy you really are.

Back on topic, this is what I want to see from AMD. I'm not expecting them to take the performance crown anytime soon, but if they can bring much improved performance to the table and continue to undercut Intel's prices, they should see good adoption of the Denebs.

darn should read more posts....

KetxxxIts also sorta ironic, AMD said they would keep supporting 939 as long as there was demand.. shortly after AM2 arrives AMD drop 939 like a stone.

Well, to be fair, there was no demand as soon as DDRII became the same price, then cheaper than DDR.

If you're talking about faster speed grades, AMD can't allocate resources to obsolete tech with only one fab running.

well i can say this, i did notice a significant performance increase with DDR 2 for A64 than DDR1 for A64.

eidairaman1well i can say this, i did notice a significant performance increase with DDR 2 for A64 than DDR1 for A64.

Yes so did I .Went form a X64 DDR A8V to a X64x2 DDR2 M2r32 in am2 socket.Noticed a huge speed increase in memory performance.