| Monday, September 1 2008 |
Alexey Nicolaychuk, popularly known by the computer enthusiast community as "Unwinder", creator of RivaTuner graphics card tweaking utility, lodged a strong protest against community members of NvNews for allegedly using slurs against his national identity. Community members of NvNews will not be able to post links to download RivaTuner as they are explicitly blocked by the author. Not that they can't get the software some way or another, but that it is more of a retaliation by Unwinder to contents of this thread, which portrays mockery against Russia and the recent Russian-Georgian conflict. The most recent license-agreement of RivaTuner now shows an added clause:
While the forum thread that had those slurs was closed rather quickly by the forum staff at the post count of 6, ironically, the same staff didn't find it necessary to delete those comments or the thread as a whole, or the thread that followed Unwinder's actions on NvNews forums that had posts of retaliatory nature with extreme personal attacks towards Unwinder. It made 198 replies without moderation of any sort. At least it didn't seem like the forum staff was doing its job, but since it claims to be a "fansite", they may have variable thresholds to trigger moderation. Some members even protested that Unwinder was making "Anti Free Speach [sic] remarks". Truly, the Internet is serious business.
New license agreement explicitly restricts publishing any links to RivaTuner on nvnews.net homepage or in nvnews.net discussion forums. Russian software can not co-exist with the community tolerating anti-Russian nazism.
While the forum thread that had those slurs was closed rather quickly by the forum staff at the post count of 6, ironically, the same staff didn't find it necessary to delete those comments or the thread as a whole, or the thread that followed Unwinder's actions on NvNews forums that had posts of retaliatory nature with extreme personal attacks towards Unwinder. It made 198 replies without moderation of any sort. At least it didn't seem like the forum staff was doing its job, but since it claims to be a "fansite", they may have variable thresholds to trigger moderation. Some members even protested that Unwinder was making "Anti Free Speach [sic] remarks". Truly, the Internet is serious business.
User comments
Meh, it's a little silly. As for the political situation, the UN needs to stop warmongering - no part of it can afford a new cold war, not with much of the world's oil under Russian control.
Europe relies very much on Russia for our gas supplies as well.
There is simply no way he can control the distribution of free software. Honestly, this is one of the most childish things I have read on the internet for a long time.
by: devilhood;955626It's not like he wants to control it, but lash out at NvNews community. Millions who download RivaTuner could read that license agreement and see NvNews mentioned there.
There is simply no way he can control the distribution of free software. Honestly, this is one of the most childish things I have read on the internet for a long time.
by: devilhood;955626regardless of whether he can control the distribution or not is not the case - the important thing here being that he decided to make a stand & made a statement/declaration that the world can see/hear. - it is a silent protest. (IMHO)
There is simply no way he can control the distribution of free software. Honestly, this is one of the most childish things I have read on the internet for a long time.
I dont think hindering distribution was top on his list of priorities.
I can care less of that software. He can choke on it.
one thing to say things about russia but to personally attack him is stupid
its not his fault russia and georgia are at war is it?
as far as im concerned heres a thanks for giving us this useful amazing program
its not his fault russia and georgia are at war is it?
as far as im concerned heres a thanks for giving us this useful amazing program
If this community is making prejudice statments (which I don't know, because I won't look for it), about any country, creed or so on and mods doesn't take action about it's perfect normal to take this action of avoiding this community... he's not controlling anything, just avoiding to be part of a place that clearly don't like things that he care about, his patriotism.
Freedom of expression is one thing and is acceptable, prejudice is another and may not be tolerade.
It's the same thing IF I say "America is a dumb country for Bush election twice" ( I mean, it's just an exemple, I don't have any oppinion about americans presidents, it's America duty to decide the best one, not mine).... youy see... some may like Bush others may not.... but to make this kid of statment about American people is WRONG and is just prejudice....
So, don't blame the guy of getting offended by this kind of thing..
Freedom of expression is one thing and is acceptable, prejudice is another and may not be tolerade.
It's the same thing IF I say "America is a dumb country for Bush election twice" ( I mean, it's just an exemple, I don't have any oppinion about americans presidents, it's America duty to decide the best one, not mine).... youy see... some may like Bush others may not.... but to make this kid of statment about American people is WRONG and is just prejudice....
So, don't blame the guy of getting offended by this kind of thing..
:laugh:, Silly.
I don't care who made it, It's a good tool.
Bucnh of kids, I mean they are just racilist.
I don't care who made it, It's a good tool.
Bucnh of kids, I mean they are just racilist.
Just because he is Russian it doesn't mean he must agree with what Russia is doing.
Just because someone comes from Germany it doesn't mean he's a Nazi.
Some people just like to start trouble on the internet because they are a long distance away from the other person they are insultng.
Chances are very slim of someone tracking the person down to thier house and beating them up.
So this is Alexey's way of getting back at them.
Who knows, there may never ever be another RivaTuner update ever again for teh people who use it.
Just because someone comes from Germany it doesn't mean he's a Nazi.
Some people just like to start trouble on the internet because they are a long distance away from the other person they are insultng.
Chances are very slim of someone tracking the person down to thier house and beating them up.
So this is Alexey's way of getting back at them.
Who knows, there may never ever be another RivaTuner update ever again for teh people who use it.
by: btarunr;955634That is true, however, he is still labelling an entire community based on examples from two posters.
It's not like he wants to control it, but lash out at NvNews community. Millions who download RivaTuner could read that license agreement and see NvNews mentioned there.
Has any attempt been made to solve this amicably, i.e. communicating with NvNews administrators and moderators? or has he just taken a stand because he can't handle comments from a few ignorant individuals?
I'm not entirely convinced that this license agreement will work to benefit him, other than bringing out the real ugly people that will suddenly see him as a target.
I sincerely hope that this is not the case though.
Here's what Unwinder has to say: http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=2816183&postcount=5
by: btarunr;955765I completely agree with his POV on that post.
Here's what Unwinder has to say: http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=2816183&postcount=5
If he got his account locked due to fairly expressed discontent, then there is definitely something very wrong with how they moderate over there.
that vampireuk guy came across as a douche to me.
by: DrPepper;955785The flag drawing was very distasteful.
that vampireuk guy came across as a douche to me.
by: devilhood;955797That is where he absolutely went too far, if someone did that on here they would be warned if not banned but if it was my opinion they would be perma banned.
The flag drawing was very distasteful.
If someone did that here, he/she would be banned, zero tolerance guaranteed.
I wonder if he gets away with that idiocy all the time.
Politics ruins the day again.
I agree i actually dont see were unwinder did anything wrong imo he was walked into it bad taste indeed id like to personally moderate or administrate all of those members if they pulled that shit in my forums id ban their ass.
aye +1 on that solaris and by the looks of it he's been on that website a while with 12'000 post so he must get away with that crap.
by: DrPepper;955804He's 24 yrs old as well, so he should know better. Very sad.
I wonder if he gets away with that idiocy all the time.
i mean think about it the first or second link were unwinder called propaganda from russia he was like dissing his own country imo he knows whats going on is rediculous it would be like me saying man this country blows thats basically what he said and he's russian the other guy walked him right into an argument that unwinder didnt even start if anyone can be victimized on the net id say that would be the deffinition. that vampireguy or whatever his vampirefreaks.com 5th grade name is is an antagonist if i ever saw one.
What a bunch of morons... i just EDIT (couldn't donate) $20 to rivatuner after that read.
Unwinder refuses to accept donations :slap:me. ... just assumed that you could do it.
Unwinder refuses to accept donations :slap:me. ... just assumed that you could do it.
Damn. This just goes to show how some forums are... I've stumbled across stuff like this too, where everybody thought I was black because of an avatar. I've found out for myself how you're treated if you're not a white american by some of these scumbags... :shadedshu It's just sad really as nationality or race shouldn't be an issue on the internet...
nvnews unlike the rest of the tech forums is pro american, anti-liberal. Its very obvious at that, and just like me they don't trust Russia and all Russia has been doing in Georgia is murdering. Georgia went to get its own land back, and Russia attacked them.
by: candle_86;955964
nvnews unlike the rest of the tech forums is pro american, anti-liberal. Its very obvious at that, and just like me they don't trust Russia and all Russia has been doing in Georgia is murdering. Georgia went to get its own land back, and Russia attacked them.
Georgians own land!!?!?!?!? :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
South Ossetia claimed independence from Georgia about 20 odd years ago. The Russians respected that, the Georgians did not. The Georgians have been skirmishing with S.O now for a very long time and Civilians with Russian passports happily living in S.O haven been dying.
The Russian pretty much said enough is enough. Fuck with a free country and you fuck with us.
If anything the Russians were having a war on terrormongerus - isn't that what the USA wants?
Seriously our Government needs to stop kissing your American "Shoot-first-ask-questions-later" trigger happy foreign policies that are doing nothing but de-stabilise the World's politics.
S.O. was never recognized by the UN, NATO, or Georgia as a nation, Russia by attacking S. O. attacked Georgia
Alright. Let's not resume a debate that was closed weeks ago.
Candle, in case you don't know, Georgia is a country too :) So nobody is being "pro-America" by flaming a Russian who has NOTHING to do with the Russia-Georgia conflict, they're just being pro-idiocy, anti-logic and null-brain.
Candle, in case you don't know, Georgia is a country too :) So nobody is being "pro-America" by flaming a Russian who has NOTHING to do with the Russia-Georgia conflict, they're just being pro-idiocy, anti-logic and null-brain.
I have to say, no matter what side you are on, good for him. I think he is quite clever and this is a strong way to show he will not stand for this without violence.
I would continue this debate with you Candle via PM but I know you wont bother replying.
well i guess nvnews will think twice before ATTACKING THE NATIONALITY of someone who makes one of the best tweaking tools out there.
this is like someone attacking w1z for his nationality its crap it s stupid and he deserves more than that. i would hope that w1z did the exact same thing with all of his software if they pulled some garbage like that here or anywere else for that matter!
if he really wants to get them he will just get a hold of the sponsors of nvnews and point out the posts and see if they get their review samples etc pulled :D
this is like someone attacking w1z for his nationality its crap it s stupid and he deserves more than that. i would hope that w1z did the exact same thing with all of his software if they pulled some garbage like that here or anywere else for that matter!
if he really wants to get them he will just get a hold of the sponsors of nvnews and point out the posts and see if they get their review samples etc pulled :D
propaganda is everywhere.
russian government. US govenrment. What's the difference!
Crap!
russian government. US govenrment. What's the difference!
Crap!
Trying to argue with idiots is a bit like pissing in the ocean. No matter how much you do it, it wont make a shred of difference.
We could never pretend for one second what would happen if there was a section of ethnic americans living in oh say... Iraq... Or that Russia's war with Georgia wont cause 1/100th of the casualties of Iraq.
Im not saying its right- it isn't... but i think (those) people forget that everyone's Sh*T stinks.
We could never pretend for one second what would happen if there was a section of ethnic americans living in oh say... Iraq... Or that Russia's war with Georgia wont cause 1/100th of the casualties of Iraq.
Im not saying its right- it isn't... but i think (those) people forget that everyone's Sh*T stinks.
This thread is a powder keg. I would like to give a preemptive warning and ask everyone to remember to be civil and stay on topic.
The topic, for those who need reminding, is the drama between nvnews and Unwinder.
The topic, for those who need reminding, is the drama between nvnews and Unwinder.
by: cdawall;955997The links to his software are on guru3d, and guru3d does not have a polocy of no links they encourage it. There isn't much unwinder can do
well i guess nvnews will think twice before ATTACKING THE NATIONALITY of someone who makes one of the best tweaking tools out there.
this is like someone attacking w1z for his nationality its crap it s stupid and he deserves more than that. i would hope that w1z did the exact same thing with all of his software if they pulled some garbage like that here or anywere else for that matter!
if he really wants to get them he will just get a hold of the sponsors of nvnews and point out the posts and see if they get their review samples etc pulled :D
Alex is an individual, he's not the Russian government. I'd be upset too if I worked my butt off to produce a free application and get heat because of where I live or my nationality. What a load of crap! If people are having problems with the Russian government they need to go address the leaders of their government, and not go bash a nice guy who makes free software so we can all get the most out of our video cards made by fine people who get paid less in a month than some of us get paid in an hour. The point to my last sentence is you can find anything to complain and moan about, so stop blaming the people who are not part of the problem/solution.
by: candle_86;956058actually there is a lot he can do he is the sole proprietor of that piece of software therefore he can do with it as he pleases. its says no one there can discuss or use it from nvnews thus if they do they violate the copyright and he can sue and he WILL win the case
The links to his software are on guru3d, and guru3d does not have a polocy of no links they encourage it. There isn't much unwinder can do
by: cdawall;956076No, he wouldn't win. He wouldn't even get into the court room...
actually there is a lot he can do he is the sole proprietor of that piece of software therefore he can do with it as he pleases. its says no one there can discuss or use it from nvnews thus if they do they violate the copyright and he can sue and he WILL win the case
Usage of Rivatuner and as such accepting the EULA is not required for posting on NVNews forums. This means the author of RivaTuner has no right whatsoever to tell people what to post on NVNews. The new anti-nVNews-EULA is nothing but an empty statement.
by: largon;956082but he can restrict them from using his program hell if he wants to he could say anyone with the name Joe Bob can't use rivatuner its up to him its his program its his EULA agreement and violating that is grounds for a lawsuit
:roll:
That's a completely empty statement.
Usage of Rivatuner and as such accepting the EULA is not required for posting on NVNews forums. This means the author of RivaTuner has no right whatsoever to tell people what to post on NVNews.
i agree with unwinder here. them 2 people in particular seam like douche bags. along with the whole thread of them after the EULA thing
by: cdawall;956087none the less he can't force a website to stop talking about it or posting links, thats the discretion of guru3d, if they want to block incomming from nvnews. What should be done is Hilbert if he had half a brain would tell unwinder to hit the road, all its doing is giving a bad rep to guru3d and they have a bad enough one already.
but he can restrict them from using his program hell if he wants to he could say anyone with the name Joe Bob can't use rivatuner its up to him its his program its his EULA agreement and violating that is grounds for a lawsuit
by: candle_86;956125
all its doing is giving a bad rep to guru3d and they have a bad enough one already.
Let me guess...for banning you?
by: candle_86;956125
none the less he can't force a website to stop talking about it or posting links, thats the discretion of guru3d, if they want to block incomming from nvnews. What should be done is Hilbert if he had half a brain would tell unwinder to hit the road, all its doing is giving a bad rep to
Instead, think about the rep of NvNews, their staff in general, for letting racist slurs fly all over the forum while they themselves participated in them, again being selective on what to delete, what not to, whom to (really) ban, whom not to. Anyone would react the way Unwinder did, if you look at the flack he faced at NVN.
After so much effort is put into making RivaTuner, if someone belittles him saying "how much Georgian blood went into making it?" (and their moderators do NOTHING about this !!!) why shouldn't he react in that way?
by: btarunr;955971I agree 100% ... I will also add...It does appear that they did close the thread...It's not like it's still ongoing...I read U.S.A. bashing comments all the time...phttt! big DEAL...been slandered and called way worse names by far better people...WHO CARES!!!! If Unwinder wants to do what he does...fine...If G3D and Hibert want to do what they're doing fine...We've a nice little community here, i really don't care what any of these yokals do...It really should'nt affect us as it has nothing to do with us.
by: btarunr;956135he went a conservative site, has read it before, knows they are conservative, also knows they can't stand Russia or Iran because of there actions and he went and picked a fight is what he did. I personally applaud nvnews for there remarks on this issue, he picked the fight and now he acts like a child, after telling the admins who he wants banned. I don't come here and say I want someone banned. And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative or non polticlly correct also blocking both views at times, the only diffrence is you agree with the views here and not there. Its there forum to do what they please with it, unwinder openly supports the genocide of Georgian citizens, he has openly admitted that, and you expect no come back honestly bta. All this boils down to is senseless Russian Agreesion and this programer taking it from the war to the internet to get a polotical agenda across. I don't speak for this forum, but anyone that came here and made similar posts id have an issue with also.
Let me guess...for banning you?
Instead, think about the rep of NvNews, their staff in general, for letting racist slurs fly all over the forum while they themselves participated in them, again being selective on what to delete, what not to, whom to (really) ban, whom not to. Anyone would react the way Unwinder did, if you look at the flack he faced at NVN.
After so much effort is put into making RivaTuner, if someone belittles him saying "how much Georgian blood went into making it?" (and their moderators do NOTHING about this !!!) why shouldn't he react in that way?
by: candle_86;956157
he went a conservative site, has read it before, knows they are conservative, also knows they can't stand Russia or Iran because of there actions and he went and picked a fight is what he did. I personally applaud nvnews for there remarks on this issue, he picked the fight and now he acts like a child, after telling the admins who he wants banned. I don't come here and say I want someone banned. And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative or non polticlly correct also blocking both views at times, the only diffrence is you agree with the views here and not there. Its there forum to do what they please with it, unwinder openly supports the genocide of Georgian citizens, he has openly admitted that, and you expect no come back honestly bta. All this boils down to is senseless Russian Agreesion and this programer taking it from the war to the internet to get a polotical agenda across. I don't speak for this forum, but anyone that came here and made similar posts id have an issue with also.
Unfortunately, the site claims to be a NVIDIA fansite, nowhere on the homepage is it mentioned pit of trolls "conservative". A Russian wouldn't know/care if America is split from within between conservatives and liberals. All he did was choose not to take crap, pointless accusations, and BS such as "how much Georgian blood went into making" his free computer program that has nothing to do with politics, when you start up RivaTuner, it doesn't play out Russian Propaganda, it's a no-nonsense app with which you get a free performance boost. Is that hard to understand? You applaud that? Thanks, you've just typed out important info about yourself that helps this site's forum staff in dealing with problems in the future. Info not as in "candle loves NvNews" but info as in "candle thinks like them".
Good for him, if the users want his program they just have to go to another site to get it. No big deal, but he's proving a point and I like it.
by: candle_86;956157If that were true you would have been banned a long time ago. Get off your high horse and don't drag us into this. You can take your mere existence here as proof positive we don't lash out at people just for disagreeing with their political viewpoints. Unfortunately, my tolerance of differing viewpoints has to extend to you as well.
And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative
So once again. Don't drag Techpowerup into this we have nothing to do with it.
by: Katanai;955948
Damn. This just goes to show how some forums are... I've stumbled across stuff like this too, where everybody thought I was black because of an avatar. I've found out for myself how you're treated if you're not a white american by some of these scumbags... :shadedshu It's just sad really as nationality or race shouldn't be an issue on the internet...
You know, it's ignorant retaliatory attitudes like that, that just fuel the fire for stereotypes in the first place.
Why shouldn't race, religion, nationality, creed, sexual orientation and etc. be relevant? It's still a human behind the screen. Since when did the internet become a haven for faceless punks? Ok, I guess that answer is self explanitory. Let me try again : Since when did the pre-requisite for using the internet, start requiring the user to be a faceless punk?
That's a prime problem of the internet; noone wants to take responsibility for their words and/or actions.
Anyways, Alexey is just another little *****, who's gotten too used to adoration and adulation on the internet, because he made some two-bit program that got popular. His ego is rampant, and the mods are slack to him; he's like the equivilant to a 'superstar' in a sports league. His voice carries more weight, and his negative actions go less noticed. He thought he was invincible, then made the mistake of opening his mouth one too many times and it caught up with him.
I really don't care about the instigator, because if someone's just being a dipshit, then there you go, life's full of them, move on. But when you retaliate, you're just as guilty as the provoker AND +1 for being too emotional or too stupid to realise you're committing the same offense, and didn't bother to learn from that person's mistake.
and WTF does this have to do with Nazism?
Anyways, I love how moderators threaten, and close and ban, but then manage to leave all the incriminating evidence (posts) behind, instead of wiping them out........
PS, I thought the flag drawing was funny. Am I a "Nazi!!!!???!!?"
by: newconroer;956226LOL this is so rediculous this isnt about respect and i dont know were you get off saying that alex is a super star hell he even visits this forum and i see no evidence on any of these sites pointing at the fact that he acts like a bisbehaving little boy....he didnt care in the first few posts and got pissed when people started targeting him. people need to man up and not care alot of the time but this like many other siustuations is an exception...if you walked down the street and p[assed me and was like damn amarican i wouldnt care and then if you turned around and followed me and just said a bunch of slanderous things under your breath america sucks your all garbage ertc..id turn around and punch you in the mouth...that is no diffirent than what has happened here....he was pushed into something that he didnt really care about but when things got personal he retaliated
You know, it's ignorant retaliatory attitudes like that, that just fuel the fire for stereotypes in the first place.
Why shouldn't race, religion, nationality, creed, sexual orientation and etc. be relevant? It's still a human behind the screen. Since when did the internet become a haven for faceless punks? Ok, I guess that answer is self explanitory. Let me try again : Since when did the pre-requisite for using the internet, start requiring the user to be a faceless punk?
That's a prime problem of the internet; noone wants to take responsibility for their words and/or actions.
Anyways, Alexey is just another little *****, who's gotten too used to adoration and adulation on the internet, because he made some two-bit program that got popular. His ego is rampant, and the mods are slack to him; he's like the equivilant to a 'superstar' in a sports league. His voice carries more weight, and his negative actions go less noticed. He thought he was invincible, then made the mistake of opening his mouth one too many times and it caught up with him.
I really don't care about the instigator, because if someone's just being a dipshit, then there you go, life's full of them, move on. But when you retaliate, you're just as guilty as the provoker AND +1 for being too emotional or too stupid to realise you're committing the same offense, and didn't bother to learn from that person's mistake.
and WTF does this have to do with Nazism?
Anyways, I love how moderators threaten, and close and ban, but then manage to leave all the incriminating evidence (posts) behind, instead of wiping them out........
PS, I thought the flag drawing was funny. Am I a "Nazi!!!!???!!?"
He has every right to do what he did
He is not a baby
He is not a super star
He wasnt in the wrong
Im glad he did it
and its nazism because they were F#$%ing with him because he's russian and russia was doing something those members didnt like...like if i was jummped behind a mall by forigners because i was american and they didnt like the war....i nhave nothing to do with it and i dont like it either who knows Alex probably doesnt like what russia is doing but they didnt bother to ask they just went ahead and singled him out.
Rule number one of internet hostility etiquette: Get some grammar and punctuation.
You could call me names of all sorts all day long, and I wouldn't be offended; but making me have to reread something twice or three times, just to understand it...now that offends me :)
Second rule of internet hostility etiquette: Please don't use words you don't know the meaning to.
"n. The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy. "
So they are "nazis" because they said something about Russia, like "Russia sucks" Mkay... -1
Next time someone says something bad about America, we should all call them "nazis?"
Your definition and justifcation is fail.
And I really don't care if you want to defend Alexey, but seriously, get a clue.
You could call me names of all sorts all day long, and I wouldn't be offended; but making me have to reread something twice or three times, just to understand it...now that offends me :)
Second rule of internet hostility etiquette: Please don't use words you don't know the meaning to.
"n. The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy. "
So they are "nazis" because they said something about Russia, like "Russia sucks" Mkay... -1
Next time someone says something bad about America, we should all call them "nazis?"
Your definition and justifcation is fail.
And I really don't care if you want to defend Alexey, but seriously, get a clue.
by: newconroer;956275you talk down to alot of people but your just as bad as anyone you may not like or tolerate here because of that and the fact that the best you can come up with to try to offend me is to tell me to use a period...good try though. You also have a bad habit of reading more than you see could you quote and highlight in red where i called you a name?
Rule number one of internet hostility etiquette: Get some grammar and punctuation.
You could call me names of all sorts all day long, and I wouldn't be offended; but making me have to reread something twice or three times, just to understand it...now that offends me :)
Second rule of internet hostility etiquette: Please don't use words you don't know the meaning to.
"n. The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy. "
So they are "nazis" because they said something about Russia. Mkay... -1
Your definition and justifcation is fail.
And I really don't care if you want to defend Alexey, but seriously, get a clue.
We seem to be taking sides.
That's not good... and is only going to start trouble.
IMO the diplomatic approach is not retaliation and the throwing of toys...
... on both sides.
This thread has stopped adding value to the forum. IMO is should be closed.
That's not good... and is only going to start trouble.
IMO the diplomatic approach is not retaliation and the throwing of toys...
... on both sides.
This thread has stopped adding value to the forum. IMO is should be closed.
by: lemonadesoda;956283i agree i dont see how this is tech news anyway....a personall problem between a software author and another site isnt needed. people like the program but in all honesty i could care less what his personal problems may be.
We seem to be taking sides.
That's not good... and is only going to start trouble.
IMO the diplomatic approach is not retaliation and the throwing of toys...
... on both sides.
This thread has stopped adding value to the forum. IMO is should be closed.
Alright, I'll halt this discussion until a moderator thinks it should continue/stay that way. I'm proud of you guys, for not taking it too far though I fear, just fear, it could go far. Here's wishing both Alex and NvNews good luck for whatever they do.
There are valid arguements that using the word "mkay" and the expression "is fail", are just as much of a grammatical or spelling error as the post you're criticizing.
But, this is not an english forum, and does not have specific rules about how you use the english language, thus if you don't like solaris' wording, then dont bother to read it. All this is besides the point anyways, because this is a topic discussing questionable actions of a certain forum, and not how to speak english.
Judging from some of the shit posted by nvnews members, I can't see a whole lot of reason why Unwinder's actions aren't justified
But, this is not an english forum, and does not have specific rules about how you use the english language, thus if you don't like solaris' wording, then dont bother to read it. All this is besides the point anyways, because this is a topic discussing questionable actions of a certain forum, and not how to speak english.
Judging from some of the shit posted by nvnews members, I can't see a whole lot of reason why Unwinder's actions aren't justified