so if this GTX260 wtfpwns a 4870... damn. ATI must be behind in the single card sector.

896MB of 448 bit ram = WTH MAKE MY BRAIN HURT.

Well it comes with GRID that's cool. Speaking of this retaliation from Nvidia, I wonder if ATi will just come out with 4880 or something?

I dont think ati are as petty as nvidia.

Who cares anyway i am happy with the card i have.

tigger69I dont think ati are as petty as nvidia.

Who cares anyway i am happy with the card i have.

Don't think ATI like doing pointless updates to there cards, well not when there short on cash at least.

There's that many Nv cards now it makes me not want one lo.

lol ATI and NV have always done these pointless refreshes, its all good because we slowly get faster cards for the same price.

Musselslol ATI and NV have always done these pointless refreshes, its all good because we slowly get faster cards for the same price.

Always ?. ATI are not doing it now for over a year now:). However it does look like NV is doing ATI's refreshes as well as there own now lol...

Maybe we should not say pointless as it must make them money right ?..

if they havent done it yet, its most likely because they cant, not because they dont want to.

It just means the origional GTX260 will probably be EOL sometime soon, once sufficient numbers of the new ones are on the shelves, same card, just less SP's disabled and probably slightly more voltage fed to the GPU for the extra stock speeds, not really any great expense to get to this point, you could just say that ATi got it right first time around but lets not forget, there are as many cards in the HD4000 series (well more actually) then there are in the 200 series!

Musselsif they havent done it yet, its most likely because they cant, not because they dont want to.

Or the fact they don't need to.

Early performance evaluations show that the card is NVIDIA's sharp retaliation to the Radeon HD 4870 GPU, and it manages to outperform it comprehensively

Errr, no it does not, i think you need to get your facts straight before posting info that is clearly wrong. Even in the dodgy screens posted it up it wins by 1-2fps and gets beat by the 4870 in another, hardly comprehensive now is it, its got a few extra shaders, that is it, its a few FPS better than the original.

crow1001, bta merely posted someone elses information. take it up with the source and not the messenger if you have a problem with it, sounds like you're getting narky at the wrong person.

crow1001Errr, no it does not, i think you need to get your facts straight before posting info that is clearly wrong. Even in the dodgy screens posted it up it wins by 1-2fps and gets beat by the 4870 in another, hardly comprehensive now is it, its got a few extra shaders, that is it, its a few FPS better than the original.

He is quoteing a news source which he has linked, he leaves it upto you to agree or disagree with what you read in that link, he shouldnt be interfering or manipulating with the source and therefore his facts are not wrong.....and even if they were, your tone is un-necessary.....be nice, play good, have fun! but most of all........stay calm :)

Musselsso if this GTX260 wtfpwns a 4870... damn. ATI must be behind in the single card sector.

896MB of 448 bit ram = WTH MAKE MY BRAIN HURT.

You have the HD 4850 X2 (supposedly outperforms GTX 280) coming soon to take care of that.

btarunrYou have the HD 4850 X2 (supposedly outperforms GTX 280) coming soon to take care of that.

Ha I somehow forgot about the 4850 X2, sorry Nvidia, you lose this round. :p

btarunrYou have the HD 4850 X2 (supposedly outperforms GTX 280) coming soon to take care of that.

I thought the 4870x2 already did that, I think the 4850x2 is perhaps going to struggle against the 280....IDK, maybe he meant "single GPU".....???

jbunch07Ha I somehow forgot about the 4850 X2, sorry Nvidia, you lose this round. :p

Lol it's not arrived yet so they dont :p:p:p

Tatty_OneLol it's not arrived yet so they dont :p:p:p

ha, sorry correction, sorry Nivida you WILL lose this round. :p

Tatty_OneI thought the 4870x2 already did that, I think the 4850x2 is perhaps going to struggle against the 280....IDK, maybe he meant "single GPU".....???

We buy video cards, not GPUs. :)

HD 4850 X2 is already announced by AMD in their PR to come out in this time-frame. Run two HD 4850 1 GB cards in Crossfire and you'll have an idea, it is expected to outperform GTX 280. HD 4870 X2 is enjoying its $550-worthiness moment meanwhile, people rant about its $550 price tag while forgetting about the $650 tag 8800 Ultra carried in its days. So I personally see the equation somewhat like 8800 GTX and Ultra, with the HD 4850 X2 falling around that $400 mark. Hopefully its entry would slide down the HD 4870 X2's price.

btarunrWe buy video cards, not GPUs. :)

HD 4850 X2 is already announced by AMD in their PR to come out in this time-frame. Run two HD 4850 1 GB cards in Crossfire and you'll have an idea, it is expected to outperform GTX 280. HD 4870 X2 is enjoying its $550-worthiness moment meanwhile, people rant about its $550 price tag while forgetting about the $650 tag 8800 Ultra carried in its days. So I personally see the equation somewhat like 8800 GTX and Ultra, with the HD 4850 X2 falling around that $400 mark. Hopefully its entry would slide down the HD 4870 X2's price.

Lol, I was referring to his post and what it appeared he was getting at not what are my thoughts on the subject. On the subject of the 4850x2, if you look at the performance margins between the 4870 and the 4850, then look at the margins between the 4870x2 and the 280, I dont see clearcut statements to expect better performance from the 4850x2 there, dont get me wrong, I am not saying I think it wont better it, I just actually like to see it for myself when the cards become available, anything beforehand is speculation albeit perhaps informed speculation to a degree. but at my age my eyesight isnt what it used to be so who knows :eek: As to your referral to past pricing points for the 8800Ultra etc, fair point but again that is the past.......I remember when the 1950XTX 1gb GDDR4first came out and how much they cost in the UK :eek:

@ JBunch, if you want to be completely accurate......NVidia WILL lose the NEXT round :p

All NV has to do is makea GTX 260GX2 and its all over but the crying for ATI and their 4870X2.
enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU0OSw5LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

"In our evaluation the only game GeForce GTX 260 SLI did not provide a better gameplay experience in was Call of Duty 4, and that is mostly due to a game limitation. GeForce GTX 260 SLI is both faster and cheaper than a Radeon HD 4870 X2."

Would they be able to make a 2x0GX2? Wouldn't the GPUs be to big?

not sure, but from the roadmap thing posted the other day showing die shrinks im sure it will be posible after that.

>.<

That's true, I forgot about the 55nm (or is it 45nm) die shrinks. Cider rots my brains as well my guts.

:P

SeleneAll NV has to do is makea GTX 260GX2 and its all over but the crying for ATI and their 4870X2.
enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU0OSw5LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

"In our evaluation the only game GeForce GTX 260 SLI did not provide a better gameplay experience in was Call of Duty 4, and that is mostly due to a game limitation. GeForce GTX 260 SLI is both faster and cheaper than a Radeon HD 4870 X2."

Honestly I don't understand what they did in the testing, the settings seems to be all over the place to me.:respect:

Our review is up. Enjoy ;)