| Saturday, October 4 2008 |
In the last few days we have seen photos surface of several motherboards based on the upcoming Intel Architecture, code named Nehalem. These boards utilize the Intel X58 chipset along with the new socket, LGA-1366. Many people have been eagerly awaiting the imminent release of the new CPUs and motherboards, which was rumoured to be sometime in November. The online UK retailer Overclockers UK (OcUK), has today added new links in their motherboard and CPU sections for Intel 1366 (X58 Chipset) and Intel Core i7.
Within the CPU section, available for Pre-Order, are the three processors which were expected to be available at launch following what we covered here
The Core i7 920 is priced at £258.49, the Core i7 940 is priced at £469.99, and the Core i7 965 Extreme Edition, at £822.49 (all prices include VAT). In the motherboard section, also available for Pre-Order are three motherboards, two from Asus and one Intel:
ASUS P6T Deluxe OC Palm Edition, ASUS P6T Deluxe (base model), and Intel Smackover X58. The site states the ETA for all these products as 31st October 08.
Source: Overclockers UK
Within the CPU section, available for Pre-Order, are the three processors which were expected to be available at launch following what we covered here
The Core i7 920 is priced at £258.49, the Core i7 940 is priced at £469.99, and the Core i7 965 Extreme Edition, at £822.49 (all prices include VAT). In the motherboard section, also available for Pre-Order are three motherboards, two from Asus and one Intel:
ASUS P6T Deluxe OC Palm Edition, ASUS P6T Deluxe (base model), and Intel Smackover X58. The site states the ETA for all these products as 31st October 08.
Source: Overclockers UK
User comments
whoo its begun!!! we americans should get it first right?
probably, but now we get to see how i7 is really going to work. Theoretically, they should be amazing in performance.
£469.99 is a bit much dont you think??? the last time i spent that much for a CPU it was for an AMD64 FX-55
Those prices are absurd. I guess they're going to milk it. Say hello to the old intel.
Of course the VAT isn't helping.
Of course the VAT isn't helping.
I made a post in the 'old' post before btrunner edited it & i said something along the lines of
just as an example & that tally doesnt even include the RETAILERS Price Per Unit
The Costs
The first cost is shipping. The equipment I bought cost $400, the shipping was $200 including insurance. As a point of reference the equipment came in two fairly large boxes, if it has been one box it would have been too large to lift. It was shipped "US Mail" which was the cheapest and slowest method offered by the vendor and took about 6 weeks to arrive. The only other foreign currency charge on the order was the cost of currency conversion; I usually pay by credit card and find that that I get a reasonable exchange rate from my credit card company without any additional fixed costs.
The next cost is Import Duty which is applied to the total cost of your order. Note that this includes the cost of shipping and insurance so if your goods are heavy or bulky resulting in greater shipping costs you will pay more duty. If you choose to have your goods delivered quickly the increased shipping costs will mean you will pay more Duty.
Once Duty is added to the total, Value Added Tax is then added. At the time of writing this was 17.5% and is charged on the cost of the goods, the shipping, the duty on the goods and the duty on the shipping. The final cost is the Clearance Fee added by the carrier for getting the goods through Customs. This charge is made on each package, so in this case, where there were two packages, there were two Clearance Fees. You pay these costs when the goods get delivered to your door, so be ready with your cheque book.
The tally below shows all the costs.
Cost of goods $400.00
Shipping and insurance $200.00
Cost of order converted to local currency £419.61
Import duty £ 24.58
VAT at 17.5% £ 77.73
Handling charge @ £6.25 per package £ 12.50
Total £534.42
Total converted back
into original currency $764.17
The figures above show that the eventual price I paid was 91% more that the cost of the goods, something to remember when doing price comparisons between local and remote vendors. Having said that I was happy with this particular order, the quality was excellent, the choice was far greater than what was available in the UK, and because the base price was so low I still ended up paying less than the locally sourced alternatives.
just as an example & that tally doesnt even include the RETAILERS Price Per Unit
lol at intel smackover :laugh: what a name :p
Is it just me or does the smackover look a lot like an AMD layout...? :wtf:
by: alexp999;1003676that board looks really crowded imo, quite cool to see the cpu in the middle of the board though.
Is it just me or does the smackover look a lot like an AMD layout...? :wtf:
I can't even conceive of going to Nehalem until at least 6 months down the line. I need to see real life benchmarks, and see if/when it's worth moving to a new architecture. I will not be an early adopter this time around. Especially when I get crazy performance out of the stuff I currently own.
by: Paulieg;1003688From the specs it sounds more like its server or workstation orientated.
I can't even conceive of going to Nehalem until at least 6 months down the line. I need to see real life benchmarks, and see if/when it's worth moving to a new architecture. I will not be an early adopter this time around. Especially when I get crazy performance out of the stuff I currently own.
by: FreedomEclipse;1003651You really think these shops pay $200 for shipping and insurance on $400 worth of goods? Intel distribution channels purchase in the thousands of items and the average shipping cost becomes tiny. Overclockers UK are making a killing at these prices. I guarantee you that. You'd have to be crazy to preorder at those prices. Wait for other shops to start listing the items and force the price down. Anyone remember the pricing overclockers had for new wolfdales and yorkfields relative to other stores?
I made a post in the 'old' post before btrunner edited it & i said something along the lines of
just as an example & that tally doesnt even include the RETAILERS Price Per Unit
Why is it there other items such as the q6600 are almost exactly US price + VAT.
Avoid OcUK like the plague.
by: insider;1003774why ?
Avoid OcUK like the plague.
by: ghost101;1003741your missing the point - the basis of my post is just as an example to shed some insight on why people in the UK have to pay so much - it doesnt matter if its for $400 or $1000 worth of goods - thats not what im trying to say.
You really think these shops pay $200 for shipping and insurance on $400 worth of goods?
obviously Intel has its own trade channels etc etc & bulk orders = cheaper over all P&P.
but can you see why we get charged so much?? just to get something imported into the UK there are so many costs to cover which can reflect heavily in the retailers pricing.
the quoted information was taken from a guy who wrote a small guide about importing stuff into the UK from Non-Euro countries. - written in 2001.
7years on the system hasnt changed at all - maybe the currency has but VAT is still 17.5%
by: DrPepper;1003775Their customer support and RMA is notorious bad, bunch of thieves to put it lightly, just one of many threads you could find about them over the net: http://www.thedvdforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304325&highlight=overclockers
why ?
why is there a 400 bucks difference between 2 speeds and then the EE is double the price? holy shit these better be worth every damn penny
by: insider;1003774+1 on that, I've heard they've mugged a lot of people off!
Avoid OcUK like the plague.
by: ap4lifetn;1003605Your wrong, I already see pre-orders at PCV Village in Canada, the slowest sibling is being pre-ordered for $350CDN. Being Canadian is just as good.
whoo its begun!!! we americans should get it first right?
by: Paulieg;1003688I second that.
I can't even conceive of going to Nehalem until at least 6 months down the line. I need to see real life benchmarks, and see if/when it's worth moving to a new architecture. I will not be an early adopter this time around. Especially when I get crazy performance out of the stuff I currently own.
by: PCpraiser100;1003865what do u mean wrong, i was asking a question in hoping that i can get my hands on it before october 31st. never did i say that being canadian was bad.
Your wrong, I already see pre-orders at PCV Village in Canada, the slowest sibling is being pre-ordered for $350CDN. Being Canadian is just as good.
by: FreedomEclipse;1003786Only think which affects prices of intel processors to the UK is delivery, VAT, and margins. There arent any import taxes on processors.
your missing the point - the basis of my post is just as an example to shed some insight on why people in the UK have to pay so much - it doesnt matter if its for $400 or $1000 worth of goods - thats not what im trying to say.
obviously Intel has its own trade channels etc etc & bulk orders = cheaper over all P&P.
but can you see why we get charged so much?? just to get something imported into the UK there are so many costs to cover which can reflect heavily in the retailers pricing.
Delivery as we've determined should bext to nothing for a 1000 box shipment of CPUs, and VAT is 17.5%. If your argument was true, then it doesnt make any sense for the prices to converge on US price + VAT as they inevitably do. If the costs were what you are suggesting then these retailors would be selling at a loss.
What happens is that for some bizarre reason, ocuk is always given stock first and they price gouge like theres no tomorrow. The difference between the prices of overclockers uk and larger stores like ebuyer and scan is ridiculous at times.
As for avoiding ocuk like the plague, I dont think their service is that bad, and sometimes they do have nice prices. But most of my custom is with ebuyer/dabs and scan who also have brilliant customer service but are nearly always cheaper.
sounds like high end ddr3 owners are gonna be pissed with this new chip.
by: FreedomEclipse;1003616
£469.99 is a bit much dont you think??? the last time i spent that much for a CPU it was for an AMD64 FX-55
Welcome to what prices are like without competition. :shadedshu
I can't freaking wait! Obviously I'm going to let reviews come out and prices drop a bit when the hardware has started to mature, and I won't be buying from OcUK as they still owe me for the next day delivery I never got. Plus, they're stupidly priced when things aren't on offer.
personally i have never had a problem with ocuk,and never had a problem with a return.I sent back a 1950pro i killed with a bad flash,and got a new one back.Their prices ae a bit over other uk e-tailers though.
I will be interested to see how these do in real benchies,and let the early adopters be the guinea pigs.
I will be interested to see how these do in real benchies,and let the early adopters be the guinea pigs.
by: tigger;1004326Yeah OcUK are a bit of a hit & miss with Customer Service, I guess it's who you get and if they're having a good day. I guess any business can be like that. Anyway, like you said about benchies and the a-like.
personally i have never had a problem with ocuk,and never had a problem with a return.I sent back a 1950pro i killed with a bad flash,and got a new one back.Their prices ae a bit over other uk e-tailers though.
I will be interested to see how these do in real benchies,and let the early adopters be the guinea pigs.
I'm freaking gagging for reviews, it's only a matter of weeks before we start seeing our favourite sites reviewing them all. Wink wink TPU!
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Which, in a way, begs the question why there isn't any conclusive reviews of it.
I'm sure they don't want to kill off their sales of c2d and c2q, since they have like a million sitting there.
BUT, there's also the benchies where the i7 fails and it may be quite embarrassing for it to lose by many percent to a barcelona slow poke.
I'm sure they don't want to kill off their sales of c2d and c2q, since they have like a million sitting there.
BUT, there's also the benchies where the i7 fails and it may be quite embarrassing for it to lose by many percent to a barcelona slow poke.
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-6524-view-intel-core-i-7-940-review.html
by: XTreview.com
In two games, Call of duty 4 and company of heroes, the processor core i7-940 lose over their predecessor by 8.6% and 7.2%.
The everest mem benchies are sick:eek:
I wonder why it doesnt say anything about sli support in the description of the boards.
sli is software controlled
Still need to see if they oc.......
man I wish I was in the Uk
Only thing I dislike about the new i7 is the 133FSB and high ass multi..
Only thing I dislike about the new i7 is the 133FSB and high ass multi..
by: Assimilator;1004402interesting review, looks like gamers will be disspointed, not as much benefit as i expected, and in some games the Core i7 actually loses to C2Q.
http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-6524-view-intel-core-i-7-940-review.html
I'm taking that review with a pinch of salt until the sites I know and love have reviewed them.
by: InnocentCriminal;1004460so do i, but this review make sense: multi-threaded applications, memory read/write, etc benefit while games not so much.
I'm taking that review with a pinch of salt until the sites I know and love have reviewed them.
Fair enough, I just don't really trust sites that look like a school-kid designed it. I'm too used to my favourite sites.
you know... this is really hard to decide which chip to get not knowing how well they overclock.
hmm.... i'll go for the one in the middle price range.
hmm.... i'll go for the one in the middle price range.
i wont be jumping on this bandwagon for a while
yeah... i hear ya. im gonna see how fast i can get a setup going but the prices are steep as hell.
I was figuring this was how it was going to be, but it's launch stuff...they almost gotta do it this way anymore lol...I guess they don't want everyone hopping over at once. I'm gonna wait till for quite a while, or as long as I can stand as I'm sure there will be bugs, sensor issues, etc that will happen. Not saying it's gonna be bunk, I'm sure it'll be great for those that do go for it tho! But I will be watching and waiting!
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i just hope they dont try to kill off overclocking all together. i think OCing makes more chips sell.
If they do, AMD will have a huge market to feed because I doubt they'll give up overclocking. I don't think Intel will either, they might try to play nanny, but eventually people will find ways around it...you can't stop the willing!
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who knows... maybe theres something here that everyones overlooking. its not like there is a whole bunch of reviews from trusted sources floating around.
Very true, we'll just kind of have to watch and wait to see what happens! I'm eager to see some reviews on TPU myself, hopefully that comes around sooner than later. I'm sure it will, and eventually there'll be so much stuff out for the new goodies, things will get cheaper, and better pricing will be there for those of us on a tighter budget for sure!
Funny how there's all the talk of Bloomfield doing nothing for games and then suddenly Intel pulls these numbers out: 52% improvement in 3D gaming. Though looking at the review linked above, sounds like that's probably in 3DMark Vantage
The page you've linked to doesn't work for me WC Annihilus. :(
Hmm, works for me. Well, here's the text of it:
According to some reviewers who had their hands on with the upcoming Bloomfield, the new CPU runs great. But how huge improvement it is comparing to today’s top dog?
In a recent document sent to partners, Intel pointed out that when comparing Core i7-965 to a QX9770, we can get 52% more 3D gaming performance, 38% more rendering performance and 41% more movie editing and conversion performance. (Core i7-965 platform: X58, DDR3 3G, Discrete VGA card, QX9770 platform unknown.)
Yes the numbers are quite vague, but it is directly coming from Intel, compare to a more expansive product, we can’t expect more. (QX9770>1450USD, Core i7-965=999USD)
by: InnocentCriminal;1004342We hardly do CPU reviews though, I recall only one. On the other hand, I don't read every single review. Perhaps I just missed many.
I'm freaking gagging for reviews, it's only a matter of weeks before we start seeing our favourite sites reviewing them all. Wink wink TPU!
2 dutch websites spoted with nehalem pre-order
2.66/ 2.99 and 3.20 + mainboards
2.66/ 2.99 and 3.20 + mainboards
apart from the fact these items arent even on the site anymore?
Lol. Had to be taken down due to NDA. I hope Intel punishes them for this. They always do this and get exorbitant prices on preorders.