1.720v holy crap thats terrible!

1.72v :wtf: that seems way to much

also what cards is it with ?

this looks real enough to me. but i wonder if the chip can last for a long period of time under that oc.. taking into account intels own restrictions.nice findings though btarnur!! very well done!

Why it doesn't look too impressive?

1.72v's include the CPU and MEM controller. ALSO the max recommended by intel is ~1.6, and we all know whatever is recommended isn't the max.

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Why it doesn't look too impressive?

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same thoughts here... and why does it need such a high multi. a q9650 has been known to hit almost 5.0 on 1.6vcore, and thats a locked chip

That's because the rated FSB of a Bloomfield isn't anywhere close to that of a Yorkfield. Essentially, OC'ing a Bloomfield is like OC'ing a Phenom. Just that you start off from 133 MHz FSB.

i wonder what the hell is intel trying to do with this chip...

If these things need 1.7v to get 4ghz then this is not a overclockers cpu. Thats seriously gotta be a PITA to cool..

1.72 volts o.O that's just a little bit more than one AA battery!

by: mlupple;1012631

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1.72 volts o.O that's just a little bit more than one AA battery!

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1.72 V, and >120 A.

because of NDA so i cant say too much
but my i965 con run 4400mhz with 1.5v with LN2, bench 3D vantage.
hope i can do better

these new chips want me to stick with my qx9650 for as long as i can =)

by: zOaib;1012641

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these new chips want me to stick with my qx9650 for as long as i can =)

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hope i had one of those.........:( if i didnt knew better i would say that intel is trying to commit suicide.:confused:

Does anyone see a pattern here? Pentium III, great. Pentium 4, not so great. Core 2 Duo, great and then some. Core i7, .........????

A well overclocked Core 2 Duo based Dual or Quad core processor is a lot of bang for the buck these days and it might be 6 months or longer before Core i7 is really worth upgrading to for the enthusiast. It looks pretty pricey at the moment for what you get.

by: unclewebb;1012690

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Does anyone see a pattern here? Pentium III, great. Pentium 4, not so great. Core 2 Duo, great and then some. Core i7, .........????

A well overclocked Core 2 Duo based Dual or Quad core processor is a lot of bang for the buck these days and it might be 6 months or longer before Core i7 is really worth upgrading to for the enthusiast. It looks pretty pricey at the moment for what you get.

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i see the pattern, same what happened with Nvidia

NV4 good, NV5 fail,

G80 and G92 good, G200 fail

Even if the Core i7 doesn't OC well it doesn't mean that its not worthwhile tech. there may be a number of artificial or quasi artificial reasons the i7 is held back but its not like Intel has never considered using anti OC techniques. Hell I recall hearing about Intel going for an anti OC patent.

If the i7 doesn't OC well its more of an issue for enthusiasts (you and me) and that's hardly a world market. Considering where AMD is now performance wise I don't think the world is going to turn tail on Intel over OC potential.

by: Octavean;1012776

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Even if the Core i7 doesn’t OC well it doesn’t mean that its not worthwhile tech. there may be a number of artificial or quasi artificial reasons the i7 is held back but its not like Intel has never considered using anti OC techniques. Hell I recall hearing about Intel going for an anti OC patent.

If the i7 doesn’t OC well its more of an issue for enthusiasts (you and me) and that’s hardly a world market. Considering where AMD is now performance wise I don’t think the world is going to turn tail on Intel over OC potential.

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The new Phenoms require slightly less voltage, it seems..

Both seem equally enticing in my current position. I'll probably go with what's cheaper.

by: wolf2009;1012760

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i see the pattern, same what happened with Nvidia

NV4 good, NV5 fail,

G80 and G92 good, G200 fail

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g200 fail? lol...I think that's only applicable at it's original 500+ price tag, but once the price cuts came into effect I can hardly say that the g200 isn't a good gpu...considering it takes 2 of ati's best cpus on one card (4870x2) to beat it...

dont bother arguing with fanbios, they drag you down to their level.


so they dont go boom once you get above 1.6v thats cool but are they any faster? 4.2ghz on a wolfdale is a 10sec superpi can i7 beat it?

we dont need more cores, just faster ones.....

Please stay on topic. We're not even remotely discussing GPUs here. Thanks!

by: zithe;1012779

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The new Phenoms require slightly less voltage, it seems..

Both seem equally enticing in my current position. I'll probably go with what's cheaper.

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I hear you but I said the “world” referring to a global market with respect to market shares. I don’t think we will see a fundamental shift to AMD over this. I could see any individual user here and in similar forums making the switch to AMD over this but not the vast majority of the overall market.

Most of the computing world simply doesn’t care about overclocking.

I care about OCing, as I trust many here do, but I dont pretend that the rest of the world does. The business sector expects their computers to work, work hard, work fast and be reliable. OCing doesn’t even enter into the equation.


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This is also very new hardware. There may be newer revisions in short order that update the i7 core to overcome its limitations.

For example, earlier versions of the Athlon 64 processors had a limitation that dropped the memory speed when all DIMM slots were populated. Who’s to say that a Core i7 OC killer now isn’t fixed in the next stepping?

by: Octavean;1012801

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I hear you but I said the "world" referring to a global market with respect to market shares. I don't think we will see a fundamental shift to AMD over this. I could see any individual user here and in similar forums making the switch to AMD over this but not the vast majority of the overall market.

Most of the computing world simply doesn't care about overclocking.

I care about OCing, as I trust many here do, but I dont pretend that the rest of the world does. The business sector expects their computers to work, work hard, work fast and be reliable. OCing doesn't even enter into the equation.


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This is also very new hardware. There may be newer revisions in short order that update the i7 core to overcome its limitations.

For example, earlier versions of the Athlon 64 processors had a limitation that dropped the memory speed when all DIMM slots were populated. Who's to say that a Core i7 OC killer now isn't fixed in the next stepping?

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Similar things could be said for the Phenoms. People don't seem to take that into account.

...I know it doesn't look like I do, either.

Finally some oc'ing. It's certainly no core 2, and that's the extreme chip. :eek: Wonder how the lower bloomfields will do. It seems like the others may indeed have locked multis, which will probably seriously limit the others. Definitely not very impressive, if AMD can pump out a phenom that matches these clock for clock they should be neck and neck and we get some good prices maybe. :rockout:

I can get 4.2gig on 1.35v :D .....taking into account that Nahlem is of course faster than Wolfdale clock for clock, lets say I can get 4.4gig on 1.425v ;) This kinda worries me abit, mainly cause it suggests to run at say 4gig 24/7 you are still gonna need like 1.6V.....thats just un-realistic.

by: Tatty_One;1012898

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I can get 4.2gig on 1.35v :D .....taking into account that Nahlem is of course faster than Wolfdale clock for clock, lets say I can get 4.4gig on 1.425v ;) This kinda worries me abit, mainly cause it suggests to run at say 4gig 24/7 you are still gonna need like 1.6V.....thats just un-realistic.

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Even so, you only have half the logical cores and less than half the memory bandwidth. But, then again, your proc was half the price, and those won't matter in 90% of apps anyway (well, maybe 80). :) And yeah, doesn't seem to practical.

But, seriously, do we need Quad-cores over 4GHz?
If the slowest i7 core able to OC to 3.2GHz and with voltage under 1.3v, then I think it's already too good to kick AMD ass.
And according to the Vantage CPU score, Nehalem prove to be faster than the current QX ~25% clock vs clock.

We do not need Quad-core 4GHz for gaming, and I don't think there are many people like to run their CPUs 24/7 with a voltage over 1.4v

by: kid41212003;1012941

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But, seriously, do we need Quad-cores over 4GHz?
If the slowest i7 core able to OC to 3.2GHz and with voltage under 1.3v, then I think it's already too good to kick AMD ass.

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It's too good to be better? What? XD

Bloomfield with 1.7 volts = Boomfield!

Dude, that thing would probably explode with all those volts!!!

by: zithe;1012948

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It's too good to be better? What? XD

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I mean, It's already better than AMD with a huge gap, even If it's not OC good.

by: kid41212003;1012981

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I mean, It's already better than AMD with a huge gap, even If it's not OC good.

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These things are barely any faster than a QX9770...

not surprised by the results at all. I expected to be around 4 gig. I think the IMC has a lot do with this. What kind of cooling was used, BTW? Air, water?

And this is extreme version with unlocked multi, i wonder how the lower chips will do?

by: ShadowFold;1013010

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These things are barely any faster than a QX9770...

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Check out some 3DMark Vantage CPU scores here:

Link.

I can understand why you think so, but let's me tell you something, which games at this moment can fully support 4 cores and 8 threads?

by: kid41212003;1013023

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Check out some 3DMark Vantage CPU scores here:

Link.

I can understand why you think so, but let's me tell you something, which games at this moment can fully support 4 cores and 8 threads?

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Not to mention being synthetic that it's practically all BS anyway.

by: TheGuruStud;1013047

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Not to mention being synthetic that it's practically all BS anyway.

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No it's not, synthetic benchmarks are intended to do the same things that would be required of your hardware during normal computing tasks, and even if not it still is a good indicator of raw power, although vantage is probably not the best, especially when considering game performance.

Also I wonder about the stepping, if this is an unfinished stepping the results may be less than at launch.

by: kid41212003;1012981

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I mean, It's already better than AMD with a huge gap, even If it's not OC good.

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The denab has been show at these speeds, if they have closed the clock for clock gap then those may actually be closer than amd has been in a while (since before core 2), at least w/ apps that don't utilize 8 threads (most of them). And I would wager those come in at much less than $999......

sorry guys, im not very well informed about these things, but I heard before dat the nehalems no longer uses FSB but instead something called quickpath. Alrite, but why was FSB mentioned here though? is there something im missing here? :banghead:

thnks guys.

I think somebody missed the real score. Look at the Everest cache and Memory bench...
No Wolfy is getting 16000, and 26.4 Lat. If you cant use that then stick with your Benchmark Game and clock till you drop. The X48 and p45 will be around for awhile ,though they are getting stale.

by: aquariuz;1013133

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sorry guys, im not very well informed about these things, but I heard before dat the nehalems no longer uses FSB but instead something called quickpath. Alrite, but why was FSB mentioned here though? is there something im missing here? :banghead:

thnks guys.

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Cpu-z has just not been updated most likely. They may still call it fsb, even though the architecture is completely different, but most likely after release it will be changed to qpi.

by: karlotta;1013139

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I think somebody missed the real score. Look at the Everest cache and Memory bench...
No Wolfy is getting 16000, and 26.4 Lat. If you cant use that then stick with your Benchmark Game and clock till you drop. The X48 and p45 will be around for awhile ,though they are getting stale.

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That is of course the biggest improvement nehalem brings to the table, improved bandwidth and latency, truly utilizing ddr3 (actually what's really surprising there is the ddr3 is only running in dual channel). The performance of that system though, when matched w/ what it will cost ($1k for the cpu, $500 for the mem, untold for the board, untold for the cooling) is not good at all though. Still, promising for the future, but amd has some pretty good bandwidth themselves....

I didn't see mentions about the TEMP.

With 1.7Vcore I guess this baby is running HOT HOT!

by: aquariuz;1013133

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sorry guys, im not very well informed about these things, but I heard before dat the nehalems no longer uses FSB but instead something called quickpath. Alrite, but why was FSB mentioned here though? is there something im missing here? :banghead:

thnks guys.

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Intel's QuickPath Interconnect is still considered a Bus since the definition of a 3rd generation bus includes AMD's HyperTransport, which is more or less equivalent to Intel's Quickpath Interconnect. And since it is the bus which connects the CPU to the Northbridge, it is still called the FSB although a different kind of FSB to the traditional old architecture.
AMD has had their HyperTransport since 2001 but it has always been called a FSB so it is the same thing here.

by: aquariuz;1013133

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sorry guys, im not very well informed about these things, but I heard before dat the nehalems no longer uses FSB but instead something called quickpath. Alrite, but why was FSB mentioned here though? is there something im missing here? :banghead:

thnks guys.

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Bus speed x FSB Multiplier = CPU Clock Speed

Bus speed x CPU-NB interconnect multiplier = Interconnect speed

Example: Let's take Phenom X4 9750

200 MHz x 12.0 = 2400 MHz (clock speed)

200 MHz x 9.0 = 1800 MHz (HyperTransport link speed (equals 3600 MT/s))

Now, your altering the bus speed, affects both the clock-speed and interconnect speed. End of the day, the interconnect (HyperTransport for AMD K8 onwards, QuickPath for Intel Nehalem onwards) handles data transfers between the CPU and the northbridge.

1. I cannot afford.
2. WTF 1.72 volts, kill me now.
3. Multi surprised me. Alot. 21x wow.

Anyway, interesting offering to say the least. I think I might wanna do WC'ing if I go this route.

and there are naysayers of deneb requiring 1.6 is too much, pfffttt, this just proves those people wrong, especially when intel specified anything higher than 1.6 for their CPUs is too much and will kill them quick.

These overclock very nicely.

by: dalekdukesboy;1012785

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g200 fail? lol...I think that's only applicable at it's original 500+ price tag, but once the price cuts came into effect I can hardly say that the g200 isn't a good gpu...considering it takes 2 of ati's best cpus on one card (4870x2) to beat it...

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takes 2 gpu? not really...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=7

and oh yes, G200 are utter failures, for the pathetic performance with transistors and die size like those

by: bangmal;1013418

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takes 2 gpu? not really...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3415&p=7

and oh yes, G200 are utter failures, for the pathetic performance with transistors and die size like those

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I can't believe you just linked to anand. :shadedshu
That's sad.

And BTW, if that's real, apparently you missed the other 5,000 games that the geforces excel at.

And at that res (that no one will play at or use AA), it just makes it even more irrelevant.

by: eidairaman1;1013337

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and there are naysayers of deneb requiring 1.6 is too much, pfffttt, this just proves those people wrong, especially when intel specified anything higher than 1.6 for their CPUs is too much and will kill them quick.

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1.6V will kill a Deneb too, mark my words. ;) And people were saying Deneb needing 1.6V to reach 4Ghz is too much because of the Deneb FX 4GHz at stock rumor, meaning it's too much voltage for them to be able to release a 4GHz chip from the factory.

Besides, this Nehalem is running at 4.2GHz, it's altogether possible it only takes 1.6V to hit 4GHz. It takes huge voltage increases to get a few MHz when you are reaching the limits of a cpu. I'm willing to bet a 4Ghz Nehalem will easily outpace a 4Ghz Deneb in just about everything.

But at any rate, like I said in another thread, if this is indicative of what we can expect from the retail chips, it looks like I'll be sticking with my QX9650. I'll just pick up 2 new DDR3 boards(one Xfire and one SLI board), a good controller card, some DDR3, and ride it out until 1366 cpus clock better. Under DICE cooling, the QX9650 should be able to clock far enough to overtake the Nehalems.

Well as its said, Nehalem is more of a Server System upgrade than an Enthusiast or average user upgrade.

by: Wile E;1013423

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1.6V will kill a Deneb too, mark my words. ;) And people were saying Deneb needing 1.6V to reach 4Ghz is too much because of the Deneb FX 4GHz at stock rumor, meaning it's too much voltage for them to be able to release a 4GHz chip from the factory.

Besides, this Nehalem is running at 4.2GHz, it's altogether possible it only takes 1.6V to hit 4GHz. It takes huge voltage increases to get a few MHz when you are reaching the limits of a cpu. I'm willing to bet a 4Ghz Nehalem will easily outpace a 4Ghz Deneb in just about everything.

But at any rate, like I said in another thread, if this is indicative of what we can expect from the retail chips, it looks like I'll be sticking with my QX9650. I'll just pick up 2 new DDR3 boards(one Xfire and one SLI board), a good controller card, some DDR3, and ride it out until 1366 cpus clock better. Under DICE cooling, the QX9650 should be able to clock far enough to overtake the Nehalems.

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1.7v?
*cough*

Obviously, CPU-Z has no clue about the actual vCore...
*pokes people with a pointy stick*

The same kind of shock expressed by people, about vCore, on the original article's own discussion:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.oc.com.tw%2Focitview.asp%3Fgitid%3D737858&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

that is the worse translation ive ever seen.

by: 3870x2;1013607

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that is the worse translation ive ever seen.

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:laugh: This is my favorite line, "Have to go on unstable or fart".

I wish I could afford Nehalem hardware, and the power bill from rigs with Nehalem :laugh:

I read all the posts and what I can say is I think you guys are missing the point. With all due respect this is a different architecture. This is like when guys compared the max 3.0 overclock of the AMD X2 clockspeed to the 4 and 5 ghz OC possible on a Dual Core Pentium Clock without taking into account that the AMD was more efficient and got more ops per clockcycle accomplished. At the same OC Which was better, the X2 3800 or the Pentium D820?

Nehalem architecture in general is better at getting the work done than the current architecture from either MFR. This means for actual computational prowess the 8 threaded Bloomfield is unmatched...when coupled to the right peripherals (low latency RAM, SSD Drives) it's well beyond what anything out can do in terms of bandwidth, op cycles, rendering, encoding, the real stuff..not Futuremark crap.

If you are into Distributed Computing like F@H and BOINC this kind of CPU power will give you permawood...until you see the price tag.

If you are into gaming the current platform is a much much better bang for the buck...and maybe better in general for the average desktop user...surfing for porn, shopping, posting on the Forums...only thing Nehalem would give you is e-peen.

From what I understand the way to OC the Nehalem platform is to set up your rig in a deep freezer :D....the microcode (depending on the BIOS) actually adjusts the speed and voltage based on the cooling and workload...

I want my wife to be Extreme Edition.

by: CyberDruid;1013656

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I read all the posts and what I can say is I think you guys are missing the point. With all due respect this is a different architecture. This is like when guys compared the max 3.0 overclock of the AMD X2 clockspeed to the 4 and 5 ghz OC possible on a Dual Core Pentium Clock without taking into account that the AMD was more efficient and got more ops per clockcycle accomplished. At the same OC Which was better, the X2 3800 or the Pentium D820?

Nehalem architecture in general is better at getting the work done than the current architecture from either MFR. This means for actual computational prowess the 8 threaded Bloomfield is unmatched...when coupled to the right peripherals (low latency RAM, SSD Drives) it's well beyond what anything out can do in terms of bandwidth, op cycles, rendering, encoding, the real stuff..not Futuremark crap.

If you are into Distributed Computing like F@H and BOINC this kind of CPU power will give you permawood...until you see the price tag.

If you are into gaming the current platform is a much much better bang for the buck...and maybe better in general for the average desktop user...surfing for porn, shopping, posting on the Forums...only thing Nehalem would give you is e-peen.

From what I understand the way to OC the Nehalem platform is to set up your rig in a deep freezer :D....the microcode (depending on the BIOS) actually adjusts the speed and voltage based on the cooling and workload...

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by: zithe;1013861

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I want my wife to be Extreme Edition.

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Thanks for the explanation CD!

ROFL zithe!

Also in regards to the G200, they are far from fail...my GTX280 smokes everything I throw at it, same with my GTX260.

To The Hell with the Voltages!
Just Put it on the market, and I buy one! :D
4Cores 8Threads Sounds Tasty! :toast:

ps: My Girlfriend is Extreme Edition! (Gorgeous+Clever+The Bomb you know where...) ;)

psps:I wonder what she funds on me? :D

Time will tell! :rolleyes: :toast:

by: moto666;1014032

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To The Hell with the Voltages!
Just Put it on the market, and I buy one! :D
4Cores 8Threads Sounds Tasty! :toast:

ps: My Girlfriend is Extreme Edition! (Gorgeous+Clever+The Bomb you know where...) ;)

psps:I wonder what she funds on me? :D

Time will tell! :rolleyes: :toast:

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I bet your girlfriend takes 12v to run :p

"I bet your girlfriend takes 12v to run"

Yes Yes 12V and a lot of air to fill it!

:slap:

But Hey I think You Boyfriend don't mine if you try it for once!
You Know with a Girl! (possibly with a living one) :D

:nutkick:

If the Nehalem is a letdown, it'll just be because of one of two things (or maybe both):

1) Intel feels like it doesn't really have to try too hard since AMD is kinda crappy right now. If the Nehalem can't overclock, big deal -- people will still buy it.

2) These are still growing pains that Intel has to work out -- this is their first design with an integrated memory controller.

I wonder if vmem = vcore + vmch

Voltage does not necessarily translate to heat. The move to better conductive materials in the chips reduces heat output with the same voltage input. So, 1.7 V may not be as hot as we may think.

4x AA batterys does my wife good.

i guess you cant satisfy her:confused:

by: TheGuruStud;1013420

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I can't believe you just linked to anand. :shadedshu
That's sad.

And BTW, if that's real, apparently you missed the other 5,000 games that the geforces excel at.

And at that res (that no one will play at or use AA), it just makes it even more irrelevant.

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And what is so bad about Anandtech?
A lot of people play at that res and use AA. Since the new radeons virtually give you free AA, why NOT use it? *rolls eyes*
Sure, GT200 is far from fail, but please don't be oblivious to how much ATi has caught up to nvidia's slacking off.
Stop being a nvidia fanboy.

Back on topic.

1.7v imo is way too high. Let's just hope its due to being an ES or something!

by: Disruptor4;1014501

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And what is so bad about Anandtech?
A lot of people play at that res and use AA. Since the new radeons virtually give you free AA, why NOT use it? *rolls eyes*
Sure, GT200 is far from fail, but please don't be oblivious to how much ATi has caught up to nvidia's slacking off.
Stop being a nvidia fanboy.

Back on topic.

1.7v imo is way too high. Let's just hope its due to being an ES or something!

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Anand is a joke. He skews results for whomever is paying or whomever he likes. I can't say for sure if he does it with video, but the CPU bullshit is enough for me.

And by a lot, you mean .1 % of gamers? 1920x1200 is still marginal. Being at the bottom end of playable framerate at that res, you're going to need any extra fps and how exactly are you going to see any jaggies at that res?

Good call on the fanboy, I mean, I totally hate ATI/AMD. Riiiight. ATI had bad drivers for a looooooooong time. They turned me off. Nvidia has been flawless for me (chipsets included). There's no reason for me to switch, that's why I have one.

by: TheGuruStud;1014551

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Anand is a joke. He skews results for whomever is paying or whomever he likes. I can't say for sure if he does it with video, but the CPU bullshit is enough for me.

And by a lot, you mean .1 % of gamers? 1920x1200 is still marginal. At the bottom end of playable framerate at that res, you're going to need any extra fps and how exactly are you going to see any jaggies at that res?

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I see your sly attempt to hijack this thread and raise you keep it on topic because your instigating a fanboy flame-war.

I think this sort of thing is all in fun as we all want to know more about new toys! I don't care the source right now because the numbers are interesting if true or smudged. To think this thing at 1.7v can hit 4.3ghz doesn't impress me but shows me that the architecture must be meant for something other than speed. Vantage was a horrible test for the cpu :shadedshu-- We all know duals and enthusiasts with nice quads will hold the crown for gaming in this coming year, but the industry might have a need for all of this multi-threading. I know someone who works in 3D design who is very excited about this because in Feb he's due to upgrade. Maybe, if he wants, he can hit a cool 3.6ghz on a significantly lower voltage!

by: zithe;1013861

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HAHAHA!! That made me LOL! :laugh:

i think we see for gaming cpu , but if you comparing with last core2 cpu , not impressive