TheGuruStudThose aren't really at stock, just FYI. No one turned off turbo, so they're actually overclocked.
Intel did this to skew benchmarking against the C2s to make i7 look really fast.

Wile EMost reviews that included OCing has Turbo mode disabled during OCing.

Besides, if it offers Turbo mode by default, that is still, in fact, i7's stock results. Those are the real world results offered by plopping an i7 into an X58 board without tweaking anything. That = stock in my book.

KBDok, fair enough. though i7s are crappy overclockers, the EE is the only one that has good potential.

farlex85Most results actually seem to be indicating i7 will oc quite well, even the low ones. Unless AMD has pulled some kind of black magic, they are still not gonna have a shot of competing unless the prices are super duper good. They have a few good months before ddr3 starts dropping and prices of the i7 become reasonable enough for the mainstream. Hopefully they can gain some ground in the meantime.

TheGuruStudI imagine the o/c great to a point (but that might be high enough anyway), then hit a wall like the current AMD design. The cost of the CPU plus ram and MB is what (always) makes the new(er) intel stuff so unattractive.

(I will never use an intel, personal moral) but I'd still take a 9950, purely from the price standpoint.

farlex85Yeah possibly, especially if the 130watt limit is true. It still remains to be seen, but there's been several people hitting 4ghz w/ the 920, and they are of course very fast clock for clock, so well, like I said it still remains to be seen for sure, but it's lookin like they are some monster.

I personally will never understand why anyone would choose a lower product based on company, unless one company was killing children or something. They both want your money, but hey, I suppose that's how these companies survive in times of need, so more power to ya. :rockout: And yeah, if the price is right these may yet get my money. It's gonna need to be sub $200 offering better than upper yorkfield performance by next spring though.

farlex85Most results actually seem to be indicating i7 will oc quite well, even the low ones. Unless AMD has pulled some kind of black magic, they are still not gonna have a shot of competing unless the prices are super duper good. They have a few good months before ddr3 starts dropping and prices of the i7 become reasonable enough for the mainstream. Hopefully they can gain some ground in the meantime.

KBDit aint gonna happen, AMD already announced their plans for the near future and no black magic is scheduled. The Deneb will be a good chip but not good enough to compete with Corei7 which dont overclock that well (except for 965 EE), BTW. Reviews i read were mixed: some people couldnt get them to overclock some had some success. Granted, this is a new, unmature platform and we may yet see better overclocks but i suspect that we will not see the overclocks C2D produced. IMC + Quad Core = not very overclockable.

OzzmanFloyd120I know I'm just as much to blame as everyone else, but there's alot of rumor and opinion being thrown around this thread. Truth be told we won't see which is faster until both chips are released and someone credible does a clock vs clock review of the two designs.

farlex85Well of course, that doesn't mean we can't speculate though. That's half the fun. :p :)