| Sunday, November 16 2008 |
AMD would be releasing its 45nm silicon-based desktop CPUs, built on the Deneb, Propus, Heka, Rana and Regor cores, to bring out quad-core, triple-core and eventually dual-core processors. AMD has discarded the 5-digit number scheme that was earlier reported, and in its place, adopted a three-digit scheme. The quad-core Deneb chips get a 9xx model number and 8xx number depending on the clock-speeds and cache size, Propus-based chips get the Athlon X4 branding.
Heka-based chips get Phenom II X3 7xx branding, with Rana getting Athlon X3 4xx. Regor dual-core trails with Athlon X2 2xx. It is important to note that AMD seems to have made a critical change to the Deneb core, releasing 2 models based on cache-arrangements. The first kind features a total of 8 MB cache (4x 512K L2 + 6M L3) and one with 6 MB total cache. To learn more about the other cores, please refer to our older article getting into details (here).
There's a bit about the processors' launch schedule given as well, all the purple marked numbers are AM3 package based, while green ones are AM2+. Another slide reveals that AMD will come up with a multiplier-unlocked Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition (AM2+) in Q1, 2009. AMD itself projects this chip to have overclocking potential far beyond 4.00 GHz on liquid-cooling, which it describes as "Massive Headroom". We're trying to source larger images at the moment.
Source: ChipHell
Heka-based chips get Phenom II X3 7xx branding, with Rana getting Athlon X3 4xx. Regor dual-core trails with Athlon X2 2xx. It is important to note that AMD seems to have made a critical change to the Deneb core, releasing 2 models based on cache-arrangements. The first kind features a total of 8 MB cache (4x 512K L2 + 6M L3) and one with 6 MB total cache. To learn more about the other cores, please refer to our older article getting into details (here).
There's a bit about the processors' launch schedule given as well, all the purple marked numbers are AM3 package based, while green ones are AM2+. Another slide reveals that AMD will come up with a multiplier-unlocked Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition (AM2+) in Q1, 2009. AMD itself projects this chip to have overclocking potential far beyond 4.00 GHz on liquid-cooling, which it describes as "Massive Headroom". We're trying to source larger images at the moment.
Source: ChipHell
User comments
Many Thanks to [I.R.A]_FBi for sourcing this.
4Ghz on liquid??? alright, would be great if true
finally some good ocing for amd chips
finally some good ocing for amd chips
Maybe I will grab one and forget about Nehalem If it run on my board @ 3.2GHz+
:D
:D
hmmm i might be switching back to AMD after all
Haha look at that, AMD eating into Intel's latest Product name numbers . ....
Lol , talk about competition .
Discussions are going to be confusing here come january .
a 920 processor, is not going to be intel only .
Lol , talk about competition .
Discussions are going to be confusing here come january .
a 920 processor, is not going to be intel only .
by: wolf2009;1064442its also going to bring back people saying P2 :roll: cant wait for P3 but i'll pass on P4
Haha look at that, AMD eating into Intel's latest Product name numbers . ....
Lol , talk about competition .
Discussions are going to be confusing here come january .
a 920 processor, is not going to be intel only .
Why is everybody changing their naming scheme lately?
by: OzzmanFloyd120;1064451gives a better impression that a new technology is coming. Also to diffrentiate from previous technology for Average Joe
Why is everybody changing their naming scheme lately?
Average joe, huh?
OMGZORS A Phenom 900 or a Phenom 9150?! 9150 is a bigger number!
OMGZORS A Phenom 900 or a Phenom 9150?! 9150 is a bigger number!
Wolf has a point. AMD 940, or Intel 940??? AMD 940 is cheaper!!! Bought! Duh...how many are these bills?
cant amd just ditch the II and put HD in there? hehe
like AMD Phenom HD 940 & AMD Radeon HD 4870 :p
like AMD Phenom HD 940 & AMD Radeon HD 4870 :p
AMD is failing and they are way behind! I wont get another AMD processor in like forever!
by: OzzmanFloyd120;1064455you are forgetting that it is Phenom II , so average joe knows this is Phenom II 940 and earlier is Phenom 9800
Average joe, huh?
OMGZORS A Phenom 900 or a Phenom 9150?! 9150 is a bigger number!
Yes! Finally. God. Could they have taken any F%^ing longer?
FUCK YES! January spending, here we come! Time to save up! woot woot!
IBM have been boasting how their 45nm immersion lithography raised the GHz bar for SOI. Impressive.
The P2X4-800's are strange creatures. Either the a900's will command a premium or the a700's will be really cheap.
The P2X4-800's are strange creatures. Either the a900's will command a premium or the a700's will be really cheap.
by: Castiel;1064483Well, I can say that they have been failing in performance crown competition, but when it comes to cheap solutions, they were always there for us.
AMD is failing and they are way behind! I wont get another AMD processor in like forever!
by: a111087;1064561thats what many people need in this economy
Well, I can say that they have been failing in performance crown competition, but when it comes to cheap solutions, they were always there for us.
ohh, thanx god and AMD im wait for this too long now just wait a little bit , btarunr any information about prices
Now we just need prices :D X3 710 looks like my cpu tho!
wonder how much these chips cost?
Finally !!
I'm very happy for reading this , go AMD go
I always recommend AMD for my friends , in the same price range , AMD offers better CPU/Motherboard/Graphics
there is no competition in the low end category , AMD simply offers the best.
and 'bout Phenom II , I hope pairing it with a next-gen 8xx chipset will increase the performance more .
but what is the difference between Athlon x2 200 and current Athlon x2 ?!
great news nonetheless
:)
I'm very happy for reading this , go AMD go
I always recommend AMD for my friends , in the same price range , AMD offers better CPU/Motherboard/Graphics
there is no competition in the low end category , AMD simply offers the best.
and 'bout Phenom II , I hope pairing it with a next-gen 8xx chipset will increase the performance more .
but what is the difference between Athlon x2 200 and current Athlon x2 ?!
great news nonetheless
:)
by: Abu Assar;106484745nm and better architecture I'm guessing. hopefully they will be good clockers!
Finally !!
I'm very happy for reading this , go AMD go
I always recommend AMD for my friends , in the same price range , AMD offers better CPU/Motherboard/Graphics
there is no competition in the low end category , AMD simply offers the best.
and 'bout Phenom II , I hope pairing it with a next-gen 8xx chipset will increase the performance more .
but what is the difference between Athlon x2 200 and current Athlon x2 ?!
great news nonetheless
:)
heh darn was looking forward to deneb AM2+ coming in nov....darn AMD...oh well looks like they have decided to pull back and release everything in january. Also noticing dragon and luo platform, should be similar to Spider and cartwheel platform AMD proposed,
anyone have any further info on the dragon platform or Luo platform????
which leaves me wondering whats going on with the x2 7-series procs, wonder whats going on with those. because when looking over the 3 pic. looks like diff between x2 7 series and regor 200 series is 45nm and clock speed of 2.8ghz, hmm kinda awkward.
looks like gonna have to save up some more cash for either an X3 or x4, darn I hope these things aren't expensive,
anyone have any further info on the dragon platform or Luo platform????
which leaves me wondering whats going on with the x2 7-series procs, wonder whats going on with those. because when looking over the 3 pic. looks like diff between x2 7 series and regor 200 series is 45nm and clock speed of 2.8ghz, hmm kinda awkward.
looks like gonna have to save up some more cash for either an X3 or x4, darn I hope these things aren't expensive,
Looks like they changed that god-awful 5-digit numbering scheme, just like I had hoped. :D
Must have a Phenom II X4 940 BE now i cant wait i need it :P
I bet I build a lot of these....seeing 99% of all my computers I build and sell are AMD Machines.
All my quads are normally sold running at 3Ghz.
4ghz would be sweet!
AMD motherboards/DDR2 = cheaper with the CPU
Than
Intel motherboards/DDR3 = more $ with the CPU
All my quads are normally sold running at 3Ghz.
4ghz would be sweet!
AMD motherboards/DDR2 = cheaper with the CPU
Than
Intel motherboards/DDR3 = more $ with the CPU
4+ GHz with water cooling shouldn't be hard -- the current record on Phenoms is something like 3.8GHz. With a new cooler 45nm process it should be easier to do 4GHz.
Four-word post...
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!
yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go AMD GO:D
Go AMD GO:D
Wish AMD released these during upcoming holiday season where they might have seen more sales, but oh well as such the economy here is so poor it doesn't matter what time you release these.
by: suraswami;1065291They'd be making the same mistake as last time: rushing an incomplete product.
Wish AMD released these during upcoming holiday season where they might have seen more sales, but oh well as such the economy here is so poor it doesn't matter what time you release these.
good riddance to that atrocious 5-digit naming scheme. Will the AM3 package chips still work in AM2+ boards? I noticed in one of the slides that AM3 procs support DDR3-1333/DDR2-1066, so perhaps BIOS flash would be all thats required.
Its interesting at how AMD is going to be able to make use of "defective" cores in the X4 900/800 space as well as the X3 space; all without making an overly complicated naming scheme.
Its interesting at how AMD is going to be able to make use of "defective" cores in the X4 900/800 space as well as the X3 space; all without making an overly complicated naming scheme.
by: btarunr;1064429
AMD itself projects this chip to have overclocking potential far beyond 4.00 GHz on liquid-cooling, which it describes as "Massive Headroom".
I really hope AMD isn't yanking our chain again. Didn't they say something similar to this prior to the Phenom launch? I really hope it's true. Even if their new Quad Core chips don't beat a similarly matched 45nm Intel@4.0Ghz they can win some market share at priceperformance. If the AMD 9xx x4 Black Edition is say (Hypothetically Speaking) 20% slower than PenrynCore i7 (Hopefully no more than 20%-%30 slower than i7 at worst) yet $600-$700 cheaper than Intel's EE CPU's, well that would be something.
I would skip i7 until the die shrink and pick up an AMD 45nm for my next build. Here's to hoping AMD catches Intel off guard and knocks them into a price dropping tailspin like they did to Nvidia. :toast:
Looks promising to the guys and girls that actually know about CPU's but AMD need to advertise to the masses and to retailers that make the pre built computers! They are all core2duo in the shops. AMD need to get the product out there and make it noticed to to the average joe who wants to pay as little as possible for the best thing!
this is good news,:D
i can wait to upgrade my rig,
i can wait to upgrade my rig,
by: WhiteLotus;1065356I told my friends about i7 today and they had no idea what I was talking about lol they do know about Phenom because I keep telling them about it.. I think Intel needs to advertise too! I haven't seen any i7 ads at all.
Looks promising to the guys and girls that actually know about CPU's but AMD need to advertise to the masses and to retailers that make the pre built computers! They are all core2duo in the shops. AMD need to get the product out there and make it noticed to to the average joe who wants to pay as little as possible for the best thing!
by: ShadowFold;1065568So you already decided which one to get? your machine specs says it:D
I told my friends about i7 today and they had no idea what I was talking about lol they do know about Phenom because I keep telling them about it.. I think Intel needs to advertise too! I haven't seen any i7 ads at all.
Haha, it seems like there is a little AMD fanboy somewhere deep inside most of us! He is rather active right now, kicking me in the ribs.
by: ShadowFold;1064848the 45nm part is true. But the 65nm Anthlon X2 that i have is a good clocker but i want to get a 45nm X2.if it could hit 4ghz and have a better architecture :eek: I would be happy
45nm and better architecture I'm guessing. hopefully they will be good clockers!
I see a lot of B2 X3's in stores at CHEAP prices now, and other AMD's and Intels so these older systems may drop a bit more in price and the average Joe will have a choice of decent systems even CHEAPER yet.
If the AMD plan for the sans L3 CPU's comes about, then these decent performing CHEAPOS will be more than enough for the average Joe if they perform as intended. Same for the lower end and hopefully CHEAP new CPU's with L3 cache.
With the i7's and all these new AMD CPU's some interesting and perhaps slightly confusing for some times are just ahead. :)
Groovey!!! :rockout::respect::laugh:
Chris
If the AMD plan for the sans L3 CPU's comes about, then these decent performing CHEAPOS will be more than enough for the average Joe if they perform as intended. Same for the lower end and hopefully CHEAP new CPU's with L3 cache.
With the i7's and all these new AMD CPU's some interesting and perhaps slightly confusing for some times are just ahead. :)
Groovey!!! :rockout::respect::laugh:
Chris
Might get the top model if it's not too expensive.
by: Castiel;1064483
AMD is failing and they are way behind! I wont get another AMD processor in like forever!
So, who is going to give intel design ideas (if AMD fails) :laugh:
hey easy AMD is the company that keeps Intel up at night.:roll:
by: wolf2009;1064453Joe Average is rather popular guy these days :D I'd rather call it John Doe in expecting Jane that never came.:toast:
gives a better impression that a new technology is coming. Also to diffrentiate from previous technology for Average Joe
This thread is lacking Dragon!!!!+2
What makes a dragon platform?
So a Phenom II x3 and 2 4830s would be a dragon?
by: p_o_s_pc;1069540Yup.
So a Phenom II x3 and 2 4830s would be a dragon?
Wait a minute.. Where is our Phenom II 945 Black Edition in February? I couldn't imagine an arguably simple transition to AM3 would result in a lower clock speed.
Also, any word if AMD will be using triple channel memory in the near future? It would make things easier (and less expensive imo).
Also, any word if AMD will be using triple channel memory in the near future? It would make things easier (and less expensive imo).
by: xvi;1131150And something similar to an X58 would be awesome. I don't want to switch between two boards when switching GPU companies.
Wait a minute.. Where is our Phenom II 945 Black Edition in February? I couldn't imagine an arguably simple transition to AM3 would result in a lower clock speed.
Also, any word if AMD will be using triple channel memory in the near future? It would make things easier (and less expensive imo).
by: xvi;1131150AMD will not be using triple channel as of yet
Wait a minute.. Where is our Phenom II 945 Black Edition in February? I couldn't imagine an arguably simple transition to AM3 would result in a lower clock speed.
Also, any word if AMD will be using triple channel memory in the near future? It would make things easier (and less expensive imo).
by: p_o_s_pc;1069540This is slightly wrong,
So a Phenom II x3 and 2 4830s would be a dragon?
Dragon is a phenom II proc, with a 790 series board, and and a 4800 series card. This will be phazed out after the introduction of the 8 series boards which leo will take over.
by: kysg;1131337so your telling me FOR NOW if i was to get a
This is slightly wrong,
Dragon is a phenom II proc, with a 790 series board, and and a 4800 series card. This will be phazed out after the introduction of the 8 series boards which leo will take over.
1 4830
P II X3
and use my Biostar 790GX board it would be a dragon but when the 8xx comes out it would be a leo if i got a new board? BTW not saying that i am going to do any of this
by: p_o_s_pc;1131650That is what I believe AMD is presenting it as, Dragon makes more sense as there is a change to the graphics cards and proc, which in the case of spider, which required a phenom a 7 series board, and 3800series card.
so your telling me FOR NOW if i was to get a
1 4830
P II X3
and use my Biostar 790GX board it would be a dragon but when the 8xx comes out it would be a leo if i got a new board? BTW not saying that i am going to do any of this
Dragon will get phased out and replaced with Leo which I believe uses 8 series and in the case of 8 series you will see the change to ddr3, and also probably a subplatform, called pisces. As in the case of the Sub platform cartwheel which required a phenom X3, 780G board and radeon 3 series card if I'm correct.