| Saturday, January 10 2009 |
pureSilicon is demonstrating the highest-density SSD available today: the 1TB Nitro Series. This represents a major advance for the storage industry since it combines maximum density with high performance and low power demand. Four of these drives deliver 4TB in the same space as a standard 3.5-inch HDD, so server footprint requirements and energy consumption in data-intensive applications can be considerably reduced.
The 1TB Nitro SSD is the most compact SSD per gigabyte: 15.40GB per cubic centimeter in a 2.5-inch form-factor - at least three times greater than any other SSD on the market. This high density in a small form factor has been achieved through innovative engineering techniques coupled with advanced industrial design that yields an exceptionally thin enclosure.
This Nitro line of high-performance solid-state drives is designed for applications where data throughput and power consumption are paramount: server, networking, datacenter, supercomputing, and professional media. These applications require fast transfer speeds and involve the storage of massive amounts of data. pureSilicon has benchmarked these drives at speeds approaching the maximum bus speed of SATA II (300 MB/s).
Feature summary
- 1TB SSD in 2.5-inch form-factor (highest density ever at 2.5-inch)
- 300MB/s SATA II interface
- Industry-leading performance
- State-of-the-art industrial design
Specifications
- Capacities: 32GB, 64GB, 128GB, 256GB, 512GB, 1024GB
Performance
- Transfer rate: 300MB/sec
- Sustained read: 240MB/sec
- Sustained write: 215MB/sec
- Random read (IOPS 4K): 50,000
- Random write (IOPS 4K): 10,000
- Latency < 100 µsec
Reliability
- MTTF: 2.0 million hours
Environmental
- Temperature (operating): 0°C to +70°C
- Temperature (non-operating): -45°C to +85°C
- Shock (operating): 1500G, duration 0.5ms, half sine wave
- Vibration (operating): 20G peak, 10~2,000Hz, x3 axis
Power
- Active: 4.8W typical
- Idle: 0.1W typical
Physical
- 2.5in form factor: 100.2mm x 69.85mm x 9.5mm
pureSilicon has begun sampling its Renegade SSD units on a limited basis to select customers, with shipments expected to commence in the first quarter of 2009. The Nitro Series SSDs will be available in Q3 2009, pricing TBD.
Source: MarketWire
The 1TB Nitro SSD is the most compact SSD per gigabyte: 15.40GB per cubic centimeter in a 2.5-inch form-factor - at least three times greater than any other SSD on the market. This high density in a small form factor has been achieved through innovative engineering techniques coupled with advanced industrial design that yields an exceptionally thin enclosure.
This Nitro line of high-performance solid-state drives is designed for applications where data throughput and power consumption are paramount: server, networking, datacenter, supercomputing, and professional media. These applications require fast transfer speeds and involve the storage of massive amounts of data. pureSilicon has benchmarked these drives at speeds approaching the maximum bus speed of SATA II (300 MB/s).
Feature summary
- 1TB SSD in 2.5-inch form-factor (highest density ever at 2.5-inch)
- 300MB/s SATA II interface
- Industry-leading performance
- State-of-the-art industrial design
Specifications
- Capacities: 32GB, 64GB, 128GB, 256GB, 512GB, 1024GB
Performance
- Transfer rate: 300MB/sec
- Sustained read: 240MB/sec
- Sustained write: 215MB/sec
- Random read (IOPS 4K): 50,000
- Random write (IOPS 4K): 10,000
- Latency < 100 µsec
Reliability
- MTTF: 2.0 million hours
Environmental
- Temperature (operating): 0°C to +70°C
- Temperature (non-operating): -45°C to +85°C
- Shock (operating): 1500G, duration 0.5ms, half sine wave
- Vibration (operating): 20G peak, 10~2,000Hz, x3 axis
Power
- Active: 4.8W typical
- Idle: 0.1W typical
Physical
- 2.5in form factor: 100.2mm x 69.85mm x 9.5mm
pureSilicon has begun sampling its Renegade SSD units on a limited basis to select customers, with shipments expected to commence in the first quarter of 2009. The Nitro Series SSDs will be available in Q3 2009, pricing TBD.
Source: MarketWire
User comments
2tb laptops on the way :D:D:D
Didn't take 'em long ay?
^^
^^
this IS nice
I bet this would bring prices down even faster
Sweet, so now I can lose TerraBytes of data when the drive dies in two years.
by: newtekie1;1152094Very optimistic there, more like 12 months .
Sweet, so now I can lose TerraBytes of data when the drive dies in two years.
by: newtekie1;1152094
Sweet, so now I can lose TerraBytes of data when the drive dies in two years.
by: REVHEAD;1152108I lol'ed :roll: I'll stick with a 2tb mag drive
Very optimistic there, more like 12 months .
Fit needs one of these I think!
how quickly has this technology been developed? 2 or so months after the initial baby ones (36GB and so) were released, 1TB flavours are released . . . not bad, cant wait for prices to come down and reliability to go up!
You can lose 1TB of data with a regular HDD also if it goes bad after 2year's! :D
But if you wish buy a 1GB HDD beside of the SDD to store your precious Data! (All your Porn and pirated films!) And for the system you can use the ultra fast SDD :D:D:D
SDD is the future! :slap:
But if you wish buy a 1GB HDD beside of the SDD to store your precious Data! (All your Porn and pirated films!) And for the system you can use the ultra fast SDD :D:D:D
SDD is the future! :slap:
Call now to get this SSD for only $10,000!!!!!!! :D
Now that they have caught up with mechanical, They should focus on them not deleting your stuff after being used for a year.
One year? Shoot, I'll be upgrading to the SSD that maxes SATA 6Gb/s :D
by: malware;1152055
- Random read (IOPS 4K): 50,000
- Random write (IOPS 4K): 10,000
Not bad for a large capacity ssd. MFT partitions can achieve about 15000 IOPS @ 4K write. There definitely will not be stuttering on this drive. Good luck on the price :slap:
The point is that if they make ever bigger SSDs the price goes down for the smaler ones! And I think that a 64 or 128GB SSD for the OS is more then enough! So in a year or so I sure that a 128GB SSD with Sata3 6Gb/s would be affordeble for us normal mortals!
I wouldn't fathom to ask how much that costs.....
Added to my christmas wishlist :D
by: moto666;1152136With an HDD, it is an if, with an SSD it is when.
You can lose 1TB of data with a regular HDD also if it goes bad after 2year's! :D
by: moto666;1152136It is the future, but not in its current form. It won't replace HDDs until the write count is at close to that of an HDD.
SDD is the future! :slap:
by: moto666;1152307Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. As they make bigger SSDs, they just raise the price bar even higher. The smaller ones don't get cheaper, the bigger ones just get more expensive.
The point is that if they make ever bigger SSDs the price goes down for the smaler ones!
by: moto666;1152307The problem is that just putting the OS on the drive doesn't help performance in applications. The applications need to be on the SSD also, and right now my OS/App drive isat 200GB and growing with each new game that comes out.
And I think that a 64 or 128GB SSD for the OS is more then enough! So in a year or so I sure that a 128GB SSD with Sata3 6Gb/s would be affordeble for us normal mortals!
"Reliability
- MTTF: 2.0 million hours"
so the mean time to a failure is 2 million hours, (across all units made the same)
1 year is shy of 9000 hours.
they post MTTF because this unit is non repairable, but 2 million hours!
how many times would you guys write and rewrite data anyway?
personally im still waiting to hear the FIRST horror story of an expensive SSD dying.
i was under the impression that using any electronics is in effect shortening its life, thus wouldn't everything be a matter of when not if? just a different time frame.
- MTTF: 2.0 million hours"
so the mean time to a failure is 2 million hours, (across all units made the same)
1 year is shy of 9000 hours.
they post MTTF because this unit is non repairable, but 2 million hours!
how many times would you guys write and rewrite data anyway?
personally im still waiting to hear the FIRST horror story of an expensive SSD dying.
by: newtekie1;1152389
With an HDD, it is an if, with an SSD it is when.
i was under the impression that using any electronics is in effect shortening its life, thus wouldn't everything be a matter of when not if? just a different time frame.
by: wolf;11525062 Million hours is a made up BS number. They do the same with HDDs. I got tricked into that by WD with their 2 Million Hour MTTF "RAID Edition" drive. Only to have two of the three I owned fail well before the 2 Million hour mark(both failed within a year).
"Reliability
- MTTF: 2.0 million hours"
so the mean time to a failure is 2 million hours, (across all units made the same)
1 year is shy of 9000 hours.
they post MTTF because this unit is non repairable, but 2 million hours!
how many times would you guys write and rewrite data anyway?
personally im still waiting to hear the FIRST horror story of an expensive SSD dying.
SSDs are still new to the consumer market, give it about 2 more years and we will start to see people's drives dying.
by: wolf;1152506We are talking about roughly the 2 year timeline and the drives failing within that. With an HDD we are talking about if they die within 2 years. With an SSD we are talking about when they die in 2 years.
i was under the impression that using any electronics is in effect shortening its life, thus wouldn't everything be a matter of when not if? just a different time frame.
Yes, using an electronic device shortens its lifespan, however with an HDD its life span is a random length and using it just randomly changes that to something else. With an SSD, you are working with a time bomb, the counter starts the moment you plug it in, and every write decreases the timer by one.
Some say that the usable life of the current SSDs are relatively long(5-10 years), but others say they will start to fail and show signs of the flash memory failing after just 2-3 years.
Personally, I would rather take my chances with an HDD that might never die, than buy a drive I know will die eventually. SSDs might be fast, but IMO they aren't worth it. Prices are still too high, and reliability is still too low. Especially with large drives like this which are meant to store data. I expect SSDs need about another 2 years before they will be an acceptable replacement for desktop drives.
thanks newtekie nice reply, and i definitely understand that point of view.
for myself hardware is on a very short lifespan, as are windows rebuilds.
i would only buy an SSD for a windows/games drive (maybe raid) so if one or both lasted only say 1-2 years i could warrant replacing them, under 1 condition.
THE PRICE COMES DOWN!!! gahhh theyre so expensive :ohwell:
for myself hardware is on a very short lifespan, as are windows rebuilds.
i would only buy an SSD for a windows/games drive (maybe raid) so if one or both lasted only say 1-2 years i could warrant replacing them, under 1 condition.
THE PRICE COMES DOWN!!! gahhh theyre so expensive :ohwell:
Sadly, I don't think I could afford it. :(
Anybody got an idea on projected price?
Anybody got an idea on projected price?
"It won't replace HDDs until the write count is at close to that of an HDD."
SLC drives already post acceptable numbers. It's these MLC drives that are the trouble, and even they are rapidly improving. At any rate, I'd still trust an SSD over an HD anyday, your more likely to wear out an HDs mechanics than an SSDs burn in with decent wear leveling.
SLC drives already post acceptable numbers. It's these MLC drives that are the trouble, and even they are rapidly improving. At any rate, I'd still trust an SSD over an HD anyday, your more likely to wear out an HDs mechanics than an SSDs burn in with decent wear leveling.
If I could afford this I would... But no body here really can.
by: moto666;1152136ya sure it is the future and will do what you said, but first get the name right. its SSD ( Solid State Drive ) , not SDD ( Solid Disk Drive ) . :D :slap:
You can lose 1TB of data with a regular HDD also if it goes bad after 2year's! :D
But if you wish buy a 1GB HDD beside of the SDD to store your precious Data! (All your Porn and pirated films!) And for the system you can use the ultra fast SDD :D:D:D
SDD is the future! :slap:
by: Jizzler;11522212011
One year? Shoot, I'll be upgrading to the SSD that maxes SATA 6Gb/s :D
personally i wouldn't buy 1 for at least the nxt 12 months+ ,give em time to become a bit more reliable and cheaper (hopefully)
i simply don't trust them to last tbh ,id rather w8 and see how they are in a year or so,until then im perfectly happy using ye olde mechanical drives :)
i simply don't trust them to last tbh ,id rather w8 and see how they are in a year or so,until then im perfectly happy using ye olde mechanical drives :)
All of You already are using some forms of SSDs!
All of Your CellPhones memory cards and iPhones, Blackberries are using some kind of SSDs!
:cool: (Solid State Drives - non mechanic units...)
newtekie1:
"The problem is that just putting the OS on the drive doesn't help performance in applications. The applications need to be on the SSD also, and right now my OS/App drive isat 200GB and growing with each new game that comes out."
128GB is enough I'm sure You aren't playing 70GB of Games at the same time period (1-2mounth or so) And for the newest and hottest of your Games is always Space! Beside this new tech don't need to trow your older tech away so you have your HDDs for videos and music (and for the older Games((orGameISOs:))) But you can buy a 256GB SSD also for more space! But my experience with free space on drives is that there isn't enough free space no matter what big your drives are! :D You get it Always Full!
And they are lowering the prices, but with all new tech the prices are high and when more and more people buy the product the cost for making it goes down...
The Year of the SSDs is comming maybe 2010 so I think I can wait! And read from bigger and better drives! :rolleyes:
All of Your CellPhones memory cards and iPhones, Blackberries are using some kind of SSDs!
:cool: (Solid State Drives - non mechanic units...)
newtekie1:
"The problem is that just putting the OS on the drive doesn't help performance in applications. The applications need to be on the SSD also, and right now my OS/App drive isat 200GB and growing with each new game that comes out."
128GB is enough I'm sure You aren't playing 70GB of Games at the same time period (1-2mounth or so) And for the newest and hottest of your Games is always Space! Beside this new tech don't need to trow your older tech away so you have your HDDs for videos and music (and for the older Games((orGameISOs:))) But you can buy a 256GB SSD also for more space! But my experience with free space on drives is that there isn't enough free space no matter what big your drives are! :D You get it Always Full!
And they are lowering the prices, but with all new tech the prices are high and when more and more people buy the product the cost for making it goes down...
The Year of the SSDs is comming maybe 2010 so I think I can wait! And read from bigger and better drives! :rolleyes:
wolf2009:
"ya sure it is the future and will do what you said, but first get the name right. its SSD ( Solid State Drive ) , not SDD ( Solid Disk Drive ) . :D :slap:"
Sorry I was writing on my iPhone3G with just one open hand! (because my girlfriend was sleeping on me!) So it was a bit difficult but I'm apologizing for it! :toast:
"ya sure it is the future and will do what you said, but first get the name right. its SSD ( Solid State Drive ) , not SDD ( Solid Disk Drive ) . :D :slap:"
Sorry I was writing on my iPhone3G with just one open hand! (because my girlfriend was sleeping on me!) So it was a bit difficult but I'm apologizing for it! :toast:
by: Binge;1152864We will see :)
2011
And if they drag their feet, maybe we'll get manufacturers offering them with a SAS 2.0 interface.
Or perhaps will see more PCIe based drives.
by: R-T-B;1152708Not really, the mechanics in HDDs are designed to last decades, and with good luck and care they do. There are still 15K RPM SCSI drives from the 90s running in servers.
"It won't replace HDDs until the write count is at close to that of an HDD."
SLC drives already post acceptable numbers. It's these MLC drives that are the trouble, and even they are rapidly improving. At any rate, I'd still trust an SSD over an HD anyday, your more likely to wear out an HDs mechanics than an SSDs burn in with decent wear leveling.
I will say that the one thing that is at least good with this situation is that in reality, when the flash memory starts to fail, the data won't usually be lost. You can still usually read the last thing written to it, you just can't write anything new.
by: moto666;1152936Yes, so are USB flash drives. The flash memory cards used in CellPhone and such don't really see the read/write counts that a HDD/SSD in a computer will see. Besides that, they are notoriously unreliable, I've had to replace my USB Flash drive 3 times in a year.
All of You already are using some forms of SSDs!
All of Your CellPhones memory cards and iPhones, Blackberries are using some kind of SSDs!
:cool: (Solid State Drives - non mechanic units...)
by: moto666;1152936128GB would definitely not be enough, and obvously if bigger drives coming out is news, I'm not alone. Like I have said my OS drive is already at 200GB, it is on a 500GB Drive. I would rather not have to constantly worry about running out of space.
newtekie1:
"The problem is that just putting the OS on the drive doesn't help performance in applications. The applications need to be on the SSD also, and right now my OS/App drive isat 200GB and growing with each new game that comes out."
128GB is enough I'm sure You aren't playing 70GB of Games at the same time period (1-2mounth or so) And for the newest and hottest of your Games is always Space! Beside this new tech don't need to trow your older tech away so you have your HDDs for videos and music (and for the older Games((orGameISOs:))) But you can buy a 256GB SSD also for more space! But my experience with free space on drives is that there isn't enough free space no matter what big your drives are! :D You get it Always Full!
And they are lowering the prices, but with all new tech the prices are high and when more and more people buy the product the cost for making it goes down...
The Year of the SSDs is comming maybe 2010 so I think I can wait! And read from bigger and better drives! :rolleyes:
Like I have said, I don't believe SSDs will be able to compete with HHDs in the consumer market for at least 2 years, until prices on SSDs get down to at least close to HDDs.
by: newtekie1;1153055
I will say that the one thing that is at least good with this situation is that in reality, when the flash memory starts to fail, the data won't usually be lost. You can still usually read the last thing written to it, you just can't write anything new.
Mhmm. When your SSD fails, the 1TB of data won't be lost. The drive will lose its write functionality and become a read-only drive. Whatever you have written onto it before the failure is still there ;)
newtekie1:
"128GB would definitely not be enough, and obvously if bigger drives coming out is news, I'm not alone. Like I have said my OS drive is already at 200GB, it is on a 500GB Drive. I would rather not have to constantly worry about running out of space."
Like I already said no matter what big your drives are! You get it Always Full!!!
Difference between You and Me is that You give 2years to SSDs to grow up and I give 1!
ps: If You must replace Your USB sticks 3times a year, You picked maybe the wrong company's...
I have 1 A-Data (1GB) 3years old Zero problem
1 Kingston (4GB) 2years old Zero problem
O and a 64MB no name drive 5 or 6 years old and still running... (check it for you today:roll:)
SSD prices will drop soon or later! (max2year)
:pimp:
"128GB would definitely not be enough, and obvously if bigger drives coming out is news, I'm not alone. Like I have said my OS drive is already at 200GB, it is on a 500GB Drive. I would rather not have to constantly worry about running out of space."
Like I already said no matter what big your drives are! You get it Always Full!!!
Difference between You and Me is that You give 2years to SSDs to grow up and I give 1!
ps: If You must replace Your USB sticks 3times a year, You picked maybe the wrong company's...
I have 1 A-Data (1GB) 3years old Zero problem
1 Kingston (4GB) 2years old Zero problem
O and a 64MB no name drive 5 or 6 years old and still running... (check it for you today:roll:)
SSD prices will drop soon or later! (max2year)
:pimp:
seen somebody at a local comp shop stick usb drives into usb hubs and run read/write benches for months on end, each time one failed he noted it and rma'd the stick.
hes got a couple first gen 4gb memorex drives(came with that annoing software that lets u run apps off the drive from a menu system, cleared that with the geeksquad tool) they been running for years of CONSTANT benching, the shells have disscolored(baddly infact) but the drives are still reading as reliable!!!
PNY has a HIGH fail rate, he even gave up testing them after the 10th one died from what his list shows(last i was over there the thing was still going, old ass laptop being used for testing)
most important thing is buying a good brand.
i would give these 3-4 years same as most mech drives made today.
longer in many systems, hell i got a first gen 200gb maxtor drive thats been over heated BADDLY thats STILL RUNNING PERFECTLY after I did a multi lowlevel format and ran hdd regenerator on it, its got a few re-allocated sectors but works FINE, hasnt gained anymore, so im not worried about it dieing still use it as a download drive :D
hes got a couple first gen 4gb memorex drives(came with that annoing software that lets u run apps off the drive from a menu system, cleared that with the geeksquad tool) they been running for years of CONSTANT benching, the shells have disscolored(baddly infact) but the drives are still reading as reliable!!!
PNY has a HIGH fail rate, he even gave up testing them after the 10th one died from what his list shows(last i was over there the thing was still going, old ass laptop being used for testing)
most important thing is buying a good brand.
i would give these 3-4 years same as most mech drives made today.
longer in many systems, hell i got a first gen 200gb maxtor drive thats been over heated BADDLY thats STILL RUNNING PERFECTLY after I did a multi lowlevel format and ran hdd regenerator on it, its got a few re-allocated sectors but works FINE, hasnt gained anymore, so im not worried about it dieing still use it as a download drive :D
SSD haters are getting annoying.
I've had three new WD 640GB's die within 2 days of owning each, my housemate had a 1TB seagate die within 8 hours of owning it (with 500GB of his data moved over to it) and a friend with a 750GB greenpower which is causing bluescreens somehow.
Dont whine about how SSDs are going to be the end of your data - mechanical drives arent exactly reliable either.
I've had three new WD 640GB's die within 2 days of owning each, my housemate had a 1TB seagate die within 8 hours of owning it (with 500GB of his data moved over to it) and a friend with a 750GB greenpower which is causing bluescreens somehow.
Dont whine about how SSDs are going to be the end of your data - mechanical drives arent exactly reliable either.
I didn't know SSD's saved the data when they started to fail and the only thing they couldn't do was write new data. They would kinda be like DVD-ROMS.
by: DrPepper;1154713
I didn't know SSD's saved the data when they started to fail and the only thing they couldn't do was write new data. They would kinda be like DVD-ROMS.
MLC SSD's have to erase a block entirely before writing new data - if a problem occurs, it simply marks it dirty and writes to another block. SSD's arent like mechanical drives where a failure will cost all your data... it will just be the one block/chips worth of data, unless the drive controller itself dies (which should be replaceable/repairable under warranty, unlike mechanicals)
by: moto666;1154537No, I just use it multiple times a day, in multiple computers, I have to use it on customer computers.
ps: If You must replace Your USB sticks 3times a year, You picked maybe the wrong company's...
OCZ has been great about it, their lifetime warranty has covered it each time, I just send in the old drive, and they ship me a new one, no questions asked. I think they are getting a little tired of me sending in dead drives though, the last time the upgraded me to their ATV Rugged drive. :laugh:
The 4GB drive that I bought from them has lasted 2 years now though.
I had a 4gb stick i used for 2+years(sold it to a buddy who was in a pinch) it worked great and i used it alot.
most drives i have killed/seen killed didnt die from ware on the memory chips, but the eeprom getting scrambled(stoped being seen as a usb flash drive and was seen as a generic usb device)
most drives i have killed/seen killed didnt die from ware on the memory chips, but the eeprom getting scrambled(stoped being seen as a usb flash drive and was seen as a generic usb device)
I have bought 3 SSDs (2x 32GB and 1x 64GB) in the last few months. The speed increase for gaming is incredible and since I am almost 100% only reading data when playing my games the failures due to too much writing to the SSD should not be a problem. I've had more HDDs fail than you can count on all your fingers and toes in MUCH less than the 2-3 years warranty. I'm a very satisfied SSD owner even at the higher price right now. Next year there are several companies coming out with very reasonably priced SSDs in the < $500 range for decent sized drives.
by: moto666;1152938ummm .. . no need to apologise for that ! :D
wolf2009:
"ya sure it is the future and will do what you said, but first get the name right. its SSD ( Solid State Drive ) , not SDD ( Solid Disk Drive ) . :D :slap:"
Sorry I was writing on my iPhone3G with just one open hand! (because my girlfriend was sleeping on me!) So it was a bit difficult but I'm apologizing for it! :toast: