AzkeyzSorry to hear about your bios issues that bites :pimp:

I've never heard of a bios situation where you couldn't roll back ...

Yes I know it may seem strange but memory issues of any kind can stop the whole show before it ever starts.

It you have a situation where your bios is downclocking the memory thats not a bad thing per say , 1066 and 1006 is almost like saying PC133 downclocked to 100Mhz or more interestingly like saying DDR400 downclocked to 799.9

There exists the slight possibility that your power supply may not be strong enough
I say slight like 10% chance. it does look a little under powered for the hardware you're running. ( farther information and testing required on that )

I'm trying my best to offer you at least some thoughts on this because I sure get an uncomfortable feeling when there is hardware not working in the world some place.
( it's my paranoid schizophrenia lol )

This all could be because of an incorrect voltage to the memory or timming issues or voltage or just plain defective memory bit.

I realise you may not want to go through the head ache of running some Memtest86 or other memory diagnostic programs , but that may be the only way you can verify that the memory is working correctly.

It can seem like memory is ok and everything working when in reality the memory is not setup correctly
which reveals it's self in many ways such as a single program fails to operate properly while everything else is working fine.

Installing a program can poke the memory in such a way that it causes an error if the memory is not set up correctly.

( trust but verify :slap: )

Keep brain storming , I'm here for you buddy :rockout:

Thanks i think you were right. i just tried 3d mark 06 - on low setting it runs fine, as soon as i bumped them up to highest i got a blue screen.
I've just loosened my memory timings (i had them insanely tight 5-5-5-12 perf-3) and now 3dmark06 will run at highest. i'll loop it over night to make sure that that was the problem and it didn't just randomlly start working again.

Try running the newest version of Memtest via bios. That is the best way to find out if you have RAM errors.

New hardware and software , haves always small little secrets at their background.

I am a bit confused and happy , with some time delay i had just realize,
how well the latest " Driver Cleaner.NET " helps systems to recover, from any loss in the performance due multiple driver installations.

Even if you do everything by the ATI book ........... Even if you never had issues with other VGA drivers , i have to Admit that Catalysts are not perfect at uninstalling them selfs .

I recently got my HD3850 , my system was clean from any ATI drivers ( i had Nvidia ) ,
with the installation of 8.12 , i got a nice clean installation , and the VGA worked perfect.
After testing other ATI drivers , new or old , i noticed many benchmarking scores down .
I was afraid that was something wrong with the card ...

I had even use , an old free version of Driver Cleaner Pro ...

No gain, the problem was still there ... with the " Driver Cleaner.NET 3.2 " , problem solved ... it cleaned up the mess , and the video driver started to shine again .
I tested 8.12 and 9.2 , i did not see any deference at scores that worths to be reported .

But , the bottom line is that i feel bad , because i was supporting the idea that " Drivers Cleanup " , was a not necessary task .
Usually its not ... but as i said in the beginning .. " small little secrets at their background "

Thanks for reading that ... :)

check Tweaksguides.com for ATI and Nvidia Driver Removal techniques.

Silkstone

48°c degrees Celsius = 118.4°f degrees Fahrenheit
I could fry eggs on that.

I'm going to tell you that my 6800 ultra oc with modified cooler ( removed stock fan cover used larger faster fan ) operated at 45°c and up most of the time and of course higher when loaded those kinds of temperatures killed it. ( and killed alot of other peoples 6800 series cards too )

Now look at my current idol temps on my Sapphire radeon hd 3850 agp with accelero twin turbo cooler (35°c-36°c) ( 75°F-80°F ambient )

Now some will argue that silicone has a 932°F melting point
but that has nothing to do with GPU thermal failure.
look back at the fact that SOME transistors need 70°F in order to ( turn on ) and if you exceeded
80°F to 90°F they would just quit.

I can't tell you what you should do - I'm only telling you what I've experienced.

It's my humble opinion that ( 100°F + ) can dammage a CPU or GPU and if It's too hot to touch with my hand - it's too damn hot.

I've witnessed some instances with certan P4 CPU where they would simply shut down at 100°F +/- 10%
unless you completely turned off the thermal control in the bios.

Now your video card may be ok with it's current temperatures and should be designed to handle
the kind of temperatures you're seeing but I still feel it's a little high.

You have the final say on this , and it's too soon to make any judgements untill we see what happens.

I went the ( better safe than sorry route this time )

video driver failure sure makes me suspicios of the memory too.

hope you get it worked out soon.

wouldn't it be nice if computers came without problems lol

Azkeyzwouldn't it be nice if computers came without problems lol

Aren't the problems half the fun?

Innocentcriminal

Yes the problems are fun to an extent, but I WOULD like to see more specifications from the manufacturers on basic items like voltage tolerances and other minor stuff that would cut down
on some of the silly stuff that goes on.

My ratings on temps:

If I can melt solder on the processor / cpu / gpu, then it is too hot. An Athlon XP and a P4 are the only ones who have met that challenge.

InnocentCriminalAren't the problems half the fun?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yes it would be , if our life cycle was double ;)

PVTCaboose1337My ratings on temps:

If I can melt solder on the processor / cpu / gpu, then it is too hot. An Athlon XP and a P4 are the only ones who have met that challenge.

Oh ... can i learn please the melting point of solder ... thanks

Lead based is much lower, like 138c. I still have a third roll of it from way back. I use rosin based now, but the lead is so much easier to work with! If I could find more lead based to buy I would! Rosin is like 200c for melting.

eidairaman1check Tweaksguides.com for ATI and Nvidia Driver Removal techniques.

well thats the link , if some ones likes to read .

www.tweakguides.com/ATICAT_1.html

My process for removing drivers:

Uninstall
Restart
Run CCleaner
Reinstall
Restart
Run CCleaner
Restart
Profit

AzkeyzSilkstone

48°c degrees Celsius = 118.4°f degrees Fahrenheit
I could fry eggs on that.

I'm going to tell you that my 6800 ultra oc with modified cooler ( removed stock fan cover used larger faster fan ) operated at 45°c and up most of the time and of course higher when loaded those kinds of temperatures killed it. ( and killed alot of other peoples 6800 series cards too )

Now look at my current idol temps on my Sapphire radeon hd 3850 agp with accelero twin turbo cooler (35°c-36°c) ( 75°F-80°F ambient )

Now some will argue that silicone has a 932°F melting point
but that has nothing to do with GPU thermal failure.
look back at the fact that SOME transistors need 70°F in order to ( turn on ) and if you exceeded
80°F to 90°F they would just quit.

I can't tell you what you should do - I'm only telling you what I've experienced.

It's my humble opinion that ( 100°F + ) can dammage a CPU or GPU and if It's too hot to touch with my hand - it's too damn hot.

I've witnessed some instances with certan P4 CPU where they would simply shut down at 100°F +/- 10%
unless you completely turned off the thermal control in the bios.

Now your video card may be ok with it's current temperatures and should be designed to handle
the kind of temperatures you're seeing but I still feel it's a little high.

You have the final say on this , and it's too soon to make any judgements untill we see what happens.

I went the ( better safe than sorry route this time )

video driver failure sure makes me suspicios of the memory too.

hope you get it worked out soon.

wouldn't it be nice if computers came without problems lol

Ok i've changed my mind as to the problem - I had my Vram slightly overclocked (1000 from 933) i'm gussing that everytime it bumped up to that speed it was crashing. As i just put it back to stock an it has run 20 loops of 3dmark06 without problem (and with the core up to 725) soo it seems one of the memory modules on my card has gone slightly bad, need to keep my eye on this to check tho. And i should know better i managed to trash my old 8500gt by running the ddr3 memory wayyy to high (40% overclock)

AzkeyzSilkstone

48°c degrees Celsius = 118.4°f degrees Fahrenheit
I could fry eggs on that.

I'm going to tell you that my 6800 ultra oc with modified cooler ( removed stock fan cover used larger faster fan ) operated at 45°c and up most of the time and of course higher when loaded those kinds of temperatures killed it. ( and killed alot of other peoples 6800 series cards too )

Now look at my current idol temps on my Sapphire radeon hd 3850 agp with accelero twin turbo cooler (35°c-36°c) ( 75°F-80°F ambient )

Now some will argue that silicone has a 932°F melting point
but that has nothing to do with GPU thermal failure.
look back at the fact that SOME transistors need 70°F in order to ( turn on ) and if you exceeded
80°F to 90°F they would just quit.

I can't tell you what you should do - I'm only telling you what I've experienced.

It's my humble opinion that ( 100°F + ) can dammage a CPU or GPU and if It's too hot to touch with my hand - it's too damn hot.

I've witnessed some instances with certan P4 CPU where they would simply shut down at 100°F +/- 10%
unless you completely turned off the thermal control in the bios.

Now your video card may be ok with it's current temperatures and should be designed to handle
the kind of temperatures you're seeing but I still feel it's a little high.

You have the final say on this , and it's too soon to make any judgements untill we see what happens.

I went the ( better safe than sorry route this time )

video driver failure sure makes me suspicios of the memory too.

hope you get it worked out soon.

wouldn't it be nice if computers came without problems lol

You do realize that 100F is only 37C, right? All current cpus and gpus are more than safe at those temps. Hell, 100F water only feels a little warm to us. That temp is nothing.

37°C is the sort of temps I get under load for my CPU.

:D

I get 43C , but at the cost of 3000 rpm :D (CPU)

Thats why i have to collect tomorrow from the post office , one XP-120 and a fan , so to play with .
Both came from UK .. ebay

PVTCaboose1337My process for removing drivers:

Uninstall
Restart
Run CCleaner
Reinstall
Restart
Run CCleaner
Restart
Profit

I am stuck in Safe Mode right now. I do exactly what you do everytime a new ATI driver is released. But this time after I uninstalled the 9.1 drivers, after a restart the computer just freezes. Every single time this happens. In Safe Mode, I used CCleaner, then I attempt to install the new 9.2 drivers and it tells me it cannot find device driver? So I am forced to restart which once again it won't let me go into Windows without it freezing on me.

Maybe my CrossfireX config has something to do with this? Just like the crapy 8.12 nightmare drivers. :banghead:

Super XPI am stuck in Safe Mode right now. I do exactly what you do everytime a new ATI driver is released. But this time after I uninstalled the 9.1 drivers, after a restart the computer just freezes. Every single time this happens. In Safe Mode, I used CCleaner, then I attempt to install the new 9.2 drivers and it tells me it cannot find device driver? So I am forced to restart which once again it won't let me go into Windows without it freezing on me.

Maybe my CrossfireX config has something to do with this? Just like the crapy 8.12 nightmare drivers. :banghead:

Gotta install one card first. Take yer bridges off and things should be smoother. Failing that, take the whole second card out...

After you get one working, you should be able to put the other card and/or bridges back on.

I will try it out right now, thanks. But I wonder why ATI did not resolve this problem? Cat 9.1 was no problem with both cards installed.

Ok, these drivers have pretty much destroyed my Crysis gameplay..

If I overclock my card beyond 650/99* the drivers blow up.
Old 9.1 I was clocking 745/1050 rock stable....

Don't know what they did, I removed and reinstalled the 9.1's everything is fine, removed and installed 9.2's and trash.

Wow, I guess I'm lucky :laugh: been getting nothing but awesome from these drivers.

OK I found out my problem, one of my Ram's was loose. Don't know how it got loose but that was the reason why the OS was restarting on me. It's funny because this only happend when I tried to install the CAT 9.2 drivers.

Ya, something goofy, 650/1051 I'm solid.
700/1051 it locks... But ONLY in crysis...

Runs 3dmark Vantage and 3dmark06 and supcom's test perfectly fine at my 745/1051.

ati drivers make me laugh...

9.1 = epic FAIL and then all the forums bitch about it being the most horrible driver release ever blah blah

9.2 = pretty damn good for ati drivers.

No consistency at all ;)