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AMD tapes out its Bulldozer CPU architecture

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by mdsx1950, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. largon New Member

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    Bulldozer is a high performance core for both for enterprise and consumer.
    Bobcat is a low power, mobile core.
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    If they actually make a CPU that beats my i7 this time and it's at a good price, i shall be switching over.:)
     
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    Thanks! I was confused as hell.
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Really? Who cares?


    Let me tell you AMD doesn't. Home users account for about 10% of sales...they have no business meeting OUR needs. WE are NOT AMD's customers. AMD wants to keep Dell, HP, etc happy, not us.

    I'm kinda shocked people are even talking about it at this point. I doubt any new news is going to come out, other than maybe final clckspeeds, but I think it's too early to have that set in stone just yet.
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    I care.;)


    And chill out(sounding like a butt hurt AMD fanboy), of course Intel and AMD are more focused on the areas that give them more profit, no shit... wheres the mystery?. But me, as a person who wants good performance, have hopes that they put out something good, something affordable and something that i would want to switch over to from my i7.. of course it's to early to tell, but one can hope right?
     
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    So was I

    Why so grumpy Dave? :confused: :p
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Not grumpy at all.:laugh: Sarcasm never translates well, I suppose. :laugh:

    Honestly. I wasn't really directing that @ CDdude either...


    But that fact of the matter is that the design goals for these chips are pretty specific, and far from new. They have a final destination, and THAT is basically set in stone. At this point, we are merely waiting for final numbers and yeilds, IMHO. Until those figures are available, any talk about these chips is moot, even if the embargo is up in a couple of days.

    And frankly, I think current cpus are basically fast enough for that 10% of the market that is home users. So at this ponit, they really are focused on that 90%...computing had a pretty major paradigm shift a few years ago, and people seem to have missed it.

    Bobcat...ugh...can you say Iphone-type devices?

    Bulldozer...is about 2 years too late.

    I think your hopes are mis-placed, is all. Really, why would you need more than a 1090t?

    Why would you need more than an i920 @ stock?
     
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    I was never very good with subtleties or sarcasm in forums... :eek: :toast:

    These talks may be moot but I like reading them ;)
     
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    didnt say its offering HIGHER bandwidth then 2 sticks im saying it offers higher bandwidth then 3 sticks in single channel.

    example it use to be

    4 dimms need to populate 2 for dual channel correct. and up untill recently that was pretty much law in a matter of speaking. But now we can run 3 sticks in dual channel meaning that 3rd stick dosent force the machine to in run in single channel on all sticks. thats my point i cant say what amd will do for quad channel but in my honest opinion triple and quad channel still isnt even needed in the consumer space evidence by the fact that dual channel i7s easily rival and out pace there triple channel siblings in everyday computing tasks etc.

    My major point again is that things are not always so cut and dry maybe bulldozer wont support quad channel dosent mean the ability isnt there tho it could be disabled on the cpu i have no way of knowing nor does anyone else that can speak on it publicly currently but at the end of the day i highly doubt quad channel will improve my gaming or 3d rendering or any of those such tasks
     
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    Come on, it's not about need. It's all about how much more can be had.
    [​IMG]
     
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    I agree,

    But nothing wrong in having hope thinking the architecture is going to do something to help you right?, i mean you said it yourself, this is nothing new, you think people in this thread are here about that 90%?, about that 90% that consists of putting these chips in Dell, HP, Acer, Asus etc systems. I doubt it.


    I agree to an extent, i mean we are at a point where new CPU's are in fact not needed for an average consumer PC. But then again, it depends on the consumer, some may actually need more power or want to have the best hardware. It's not a matter of ''why do we need this'', technology changes all the time 24/7 all day every day, and whether or not someone whats to adopt it is all dependent on what one needs and can afford. It's not as simple as '' oh who the fuck needs this, CPU's are already powerful wtf!!, fail'' everyone's different.
     
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    cadaveca My name is Dave

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    Sure. I understand that.


    However, some miss the fact we haven't gone over 3.x ghz cpus in how many years? How do we get "more" in today's computing? Instead of FASTER computing, really, we got the opposite...greater workloads.

    The addition of more cores doesn't actually meet ANYONE's need for faster computing...as we are then left relying on software to help make that increase.


    These chips that are coming out to feature fundamental changes to core design, however, because of a need to have compatibility with previous technology, the reall jumps in performance will be much smaller than anyone is really hoping for.


    AMD has to go where the money is. that's pretty obvious. But is you look at thier strategy in getting that money, a big part of that is providing cheap, affordable products, with minimal financial impact when it comes time to upgrade.

    you can't get that huge boost in performance without giving up "ease of upgrade".

    AMD barely even has AM3 Opternons yet, because thier high-end platform is server-based...AMD innovations are in THAT socket, not @ the consumer-level.
     
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    Depends on the application I guess. Probably not for most things but for benchmarking and high performance use it could be.
     
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    Meh, It was a joke. If you know me its been a current battle of mine. 1090T vs DDR2. Adding a Bulldozer to the mix would be retarded. :laugh:
     
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    I am skeptical as well. Until I see some kind of performance number from a single Bulldozer core, my hopes remain low. Up until now AMD has been relying on their K8 archetecture and really hasn't come up with anything new. So far I have nothing to believe that this new archetecture will be anything outstanding especially with the lack of any performance numbers whatsoever.
     
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    I haven't been in the loop in tpu lately.
     
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    I got to agree. I'm looking at this as a potential future update. However my gut tells me this is just a stepping stone to better things down the road. Kinda like the 2900XT was to the 3870.

    Shame on you! God, Country, TPU!
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    I have pretty high hopes for it.:)
     
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    I just don't think we will get what I myself am looking for, until we change sockets @ the desktop space.
     
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    Overclocking accident?
     
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    Watercooling accident if anything.
     
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    Fuck me sideways, that is the best outlook on that situation i have ever seen
     
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    Is that a permanent offer ?
     
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