Crysis 2 leaked almost 50 days early

dr emulator (madmax) · Feb 13, 2011

fools you've now all been infected with a super hidden virus that kills your machine and hardrives muahaha

Mussels · Feb 13, 2011

cdawall said:
Its maxed but you can also see that a huge number of textures are missing

textures are missing, characters heads are glowing silhouettes, no ground in some areas/MP maps...

whats there looks good, even on medium.

dr emulator (madmax) said:
fools you've now all been infected with a super hidden virus that kills your machine and hardrives muahaha

says the guy who downloads more porn than the rest of TPU combined.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

btarunr said:
You can take a laptop with this beta installed, go to the EA CEO's office. Tell him "I'm running Crysis 2 beta, bitch!," and he will be in no position to prosecute you. This beta comes with no license agreement whatsoever, nothing you agreed to, before using it, nothing you agreed to before downloading it.

Except the fact its stolen property.

1nf3rn0x said:
SO, people who've downloaded this have no chance of being sued for seeding/piracy? I'm not sure about this thing. :S

There is a lot of shit talking going on. DL it if you want but don't think they cannot prosecute you. If by some chance you decide to be a scumbag and download the game then I suggest you do it quietly. W1zz already stated he will turn over IP's if asked.

dr emulator (madmax) · Feb 13, 2011

er i think your thinking of someone else

i just look at hot women on the odd occasion

pantherx12 · Feb 13, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Except the fact its stolen property.

He has a valid point though, technically and from a legal standpoint this isn't a product intil it's released.
And since it's not a phsyical item, laws may be iffy ( check in your own area)

Stealing and piracy are a bit different after all.

I imagine if I straight up copy n pasted a Ford car there would be nothing Ford could do unless I sold the thing. It's actually wierd it doesn't apply to software :laugh:

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

pantherx12 said:
He has a valid point though, technically and from a legal standpoint this isn't a product intil it's released.
And since it's not a phsyical item, laws may be iffy ( check in your own area)

Stealing and piracy are a bit different after all.

I imagine if I straight up copy n pasted a Ford car there would be nothing Ford could do unless I sold the thing. It's actually wierd it doesn't apply to software

Well if your so sure its not stolen property why don't you DL a copy and call up crytek give them your name and number and see if they wont come after you. I hate to break it to you but there are copyright laws in effect for that game no matter what build its in. You do not have to sign anything to be in violation of a copyright law.

Over_Lord · Feb 13, 2011

cdawall said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/110212/Capture002.png

260.99 according to that SS i was told they were best for my card right now...

hmm, dx9 max on a 9800GT is pretty good actually.

but an honest opinion,

THE TEXTURES ARE A DISASTER!!!

WhiteLotus · Feb 13, 2011

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2653-Piracy

A nice little video of the rights and wrongs of Piracy.

Also agree with a comment made before, just how many times can you recreate a FPS game and call it new?

Mussels · Feb 13, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Well if your so sure its not stolen property why don't you DL a copy and call up crytek give them your name and number and see if they wont come after you. I hate to break it to you but there are copyright laws in effect for that game no matter what build its in. You do not have to sign anything to be in violation of a copyright law.

its like if i saw you down the street, and decided to copy you by wearing all the same clothes as you, and hanging out at the places you do.

I am copying you, not stealing you.

or an example i wish i thought of long ago, let me try this.

TheMailMan78 said:
Well if your so sure its not stolen property why don't you DL a copy and call up crytek give them your name and number and see if they wont come after you. I hate to break it to you but there are copyright laws in effect for that game no matter what build its in. You do not have to sign anything to be in violation of a copyright law.

OH GOD I AM A PIRATE CAUSE I COPIED YOUR POST.

no one can STEAL this beta, since its not for sale to BE stolen. in the physical world, you need to go steal a physical copy - the game on DVD off a shelf. This? you cant steal it. its not POSSIBLE to steal it. the guy who first copied it and uploaded it stole data from a physical location... everyone else? merely copied it. THEY broke no law.

dr emulator (madmax) · Feb 13, 2011

hm this brings up old memories of who owns what, now i use emulators as the name suggests :rolleyes:

now although i own the games i have roms for, i am technically breaking the law by having a copy of a game, as i am only allowed 1 copy of said game per purchase, and since the game is intelectually owned by said copyright holder, i'm only granted a licence to use one copy, i'm a naughty boy

so yes this game is a pirate copy by default, as it is not owned by whoever has downloaded it,and the person who uploaded it, and because (even though it's a beta) it still is the intellectual property of said company

so in essence you've all been bad monkeys

Mussels · Feb 13, 2011

dr emulator (madmax) said:
hm this brings up old memories of who owns what, now i use emulators as the name suggests

now although i own the games i have roms for, i am technically breaking the law by having a copy of a game, as i am only allowed 1 copy of said game per purchase, and since the game is intelectually owned by said copyright holder i'm a naughty boy

so yes this game is a pirate copy by default, as it is not owned by whoever has downloaded it,and the person who uploaded it, and because (even though it's a beta) it still is the intellectual property of said company

so in essence you've all been bad monkeys

in the case of ROM's and emulators, you have to break encryption methods to get the data off the disk. There is no protection to break, no disk to copy, no physical item to steal.

If i had to summarise my opinion best on this it would be as so:

This is such an abnormal situation, it just doesnt fit under the law easily. This comes down to a moral issue and not a legal one - and some people seem very keen to force their morals upon others.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

WhiteLotus said:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2653-Piracy

A nice little video of the rights and wrongs of Piracy.

Also agree with a comment made before, just how many times can you recreate a FPS game and call it new?

Thanks for the video. As an artist I agree with it 100%. Stop stealing our work!

Mussels said:
its like if i saw you down the street, and decided to copy you by wearing all the same clothes as you, and hanging out at the places you do.

I am copying you, not stealing you.

or an example i wish i thought of long ago, let me try this.

OH GOD I AM A PIRATE CAUSE I COPIED YOUR POST.

no one can STEAL this beta, since its not for sale to BE stolen. in the physical world, you need to go steal a physical copy - the game on DVD off a shelf. This? you cant steal it. its not POSSIBLE to steal it. the guy who first copied it and uploaded it stole data from a physical location... everyone else? merely copied it. THEY broke no law.

Thats not even remotely the same thing. What I am wearing. What I post. None of it is copyrighted. Your post is fail.

Mussels · Feb 13, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
Thanks for the video. As an artist I agree with it 100%. Stop stealing our work!

That video also says that if a product is not available where you are at all, through any legal means - pirate away. leaked copy of a game not finished? hmm, i'd say thats unavailable.

Thats not even remotely the same thing. What I am wearing. What I post. None of it is copyrighted. Your post is fail.[/QUOTE]

No, it isnt. because this unfinished game isnt copyrighted either. its code they wrote, but its not covered by concrete law because none of us stole it. we broke no DRM, no security, no no-CD crack is needed.

If i download a game and use a legit CD-key, is it piracy? no its obtaining the CD from another means. downloading the ISO/installer itself wasnt illegal - removing the DRM and cracking it, are whats illegal.

In this case the file can be downloaded (not like we hacked their servers to get it), in a legal grey area - and it runs with no need for CD key checks, cracks, or anything of the kind. NO LAW WAS BROKEN.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

Mussels said:
That video also says that if a product is not available where you are at all, through any legal means - pirate away. leaked copy of a game not finished? hmm, i'd say thats unavailable.

No, it isnt. because this unfinished game isnt copyrighted either. its code they wrote, but its not covered by concrete law because none of us stole it. we broke no DRM, no security, no no-CD crack is needed.

If i download a game and use a legit CD-key, is it piracy? no its obtaining the CD from another means. downloading the ISO/installer itself wasnt illegal - removing the DRM and cracking it, are whats illegal.

In this case the file can be downloaded (not like we hacked their servers to get it), in a legal grey area - and it runs with no need for CD key checks, cracks, or anything of the kind. NO LAW WAS BROKEN.

So lets say someone stole a TV. This person comes to you and says "Hey you want a free TV? I just stole it!" and you take it. Later that person gets caught and tells the police where the TV is. He also tells them that he informed you it was stolen. Guess what. You are in position of stolen property. Law broken.

Oh and I wouldn't bet on the whole copyright thing. I can sue all day long if you acquire my work without any proof of purchase from me. Unfinished or not. All I have to do it prove two things.

1. I am the original creator.
2. You did not get my permission to use it.

This is fact. I've been down that road personally before. Again you are in fact breaking the law if you even download this game.

Mussels · Feb 13, 2011

TheMailMan78 said:
So lets say someone stole a TV. This person comes to you and says "Hey you want a free TV? I just stole it!" and you take it. Later that person gets caught and tells the police where the TV is. He also tells them that he informed you it was stolen. Guess what. You are in position of stolen property. Law broken.

Oh and I wouldn't bet on the whole copyright thing. I can sue all day long if you acquire my work without any proof of purchase from me. Unfinished or not. All I have to do it prove two things.

1. I am the original creator.
2. You did not get my permission to use it.

This is fact. I've been down that road personally before. Again you are in fact breaking the law.

no, that ISNT it.

you keep going back to physical items - and one with a direct dollar value at that.

this is more like someone finding some artwork on the street drawn with chalk and duplicating it across town.

You can see it yourself, you can duplicate it yourself - yes, you may know that the one you saw wasnt the original... but if a law doesnt say you cant do it, is it illegal?

No one ever gets arrested around here for downloading a game - its breaking the DRM (the actual ripping) or uploading files to do that (EG, cracks)

as i said a few posts ago, you've got morality and legality confused - and i rather dislike someone forcing their morals down my throat like its the only possibly opinion.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

Mussels said:
no, that ISNT it.

you keep going back to physical items - and one with a direct dollar value at that.

this is more like someone finding some artwork on the street drawn with chalk and duplicating it across town.

You can see it yourself, you can duplicate it yourself - yes, you may know that the one you saw wasnt the original... but if a law doesnt say you cant do it, is it illegal?

No one ever gets arrested around here for downloading a game - its breaking the DRM (the actual ripping) or uploading files to do that (EG, cracks)

as i said a few posts ago, you've got morality and legality confused - and i rather dislike someone forcing their morals down my throat like its the only possibly opinion.

I've given you facts not morals.

You keep assuming that because its not physical its not theft. Thats where you are wrong. Ever heard of intellectual property? Thats property that doesn't have a physical form. Its covered under a million different laws in every country and I hate to break it to you but thats EXACTLY what video games are. When you illegally acquire something stolen physical or not you are in fact breaking the law. Not my morals. Just fact. You know Crysis 2 is stolen and when you download it you are acquiring stolen property. Law broken.

char[] rager · Feb 13, 2011

I feel your pain mailman, but not out of experience though.

I am currently making my own game from scratch using c++, directx, and hlsl. The complexities involved in making a game make it so that the game developer does deserve some kind of reward for doing all the hard work. You may say that is is only hard because I am a single person and that a game studio would be able to do it faster and better. Not true. Making a game from scratch is still hard from a programmers point of view.

I have not downloaded this game as I plan to purchase it. CryEngine is known to be beautiful and I want to reward Crytek for it.

Surely some people who torrent the game buy the game as well, but I don't believe everyone who says they will buy the game after torrenting it. Why should they? They already have it...

ron732 · Feb 13, 2011

pantherx12 said:
technically and from a legal standpoint this isn't a product intil it's released.
And since it's not a phsyical item, laws may be iffy

What about intellectual property? I believe there are laws that protect IP and it is not a product or physical item.

Easy Rhino · Feb 13, 2011

come on people, you all know piracy is wrong. if everyone stole games there would be no games. please bring the topic back to facts related to this event. any new interesting developments?

wahdangun · Feb 13, 2011

yeah, i agree with you mailman, i would be pissed too if someone stole my work. I'm not a lawyer but gamer must understand how hard is to code the games, especially with the great engine like crysis.

and btw simple control =/ console, and we must remember this is alpha build, so maybe on the PC version they will remove the auto aim (after all this is multi platform games), so with this build they just add all the feature from all platform, so when it was ready they just add/remove feature based on the needed paltform

erocker · Feb 13, 2011

So, is there a lawsuit filed against this "disgruntled employee" that leaked this game yet? Didn't think so.

wiak · Feb 13, 2011

netieb said:
Just in time only to prove that it makes no sense to develop games for the pc anymore.

lulz, PC is the best and most advanced gaming platform, heck a Radeon 6970 or a Geforce 580 will give you graphics miles ahead of any xbox 360 or PS3, only if it was made for the graphics card, not like atm, most games are made for CRAPPY console graphics

there is a reason why you can play Modern Warfare 2 on 6 displays using AMDs Eyefinity Technology

Half-Life 2 leaked and Valve came back with a better business plan, that was "dont mess with your customers"

TheMailMan78 · Feb 13, 2011

erocker said:
So, is there a lawsuit filed against this "disgruntled employee" that leaked this game yet? Didn't think so.

IF this isn't a marketing ploy then lawsuits take time. Hell they may still be gathering proof.

Frick · Feb 13, 2011

wiak said:
lulz, PC is the best and most advanced gaming platform, heck a Radeon 6970 or a Geforce 580 will give you graphics miles ahead of any xbox 360 or PS3, only if it was made for the graphics card, not like atm, most games are made for CRAPPY console graphics

Has nothing to do with this discussion at all. Console games generally sell more than their PC counterparts, wich is the only reason they need to focus on console games.

AphexDreamer · Feb 13, 2011

7 years ago Half-Life 2 beta leaked shortly before it's release.

And it sold/is selling well.

Not using this as an excuse to download the game merely stating that if a games good, it will sell.

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