Intel P45 Chipset Club

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

you will NOT get anything more then 3.82-3.84 at most. the FSB wall prevents it. it has nothing to do with voltage or cooling.

Aw.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Since I use everest ultimate for various things, it came to my attention that it didnt support the Asus P5Q-Deluxe and they made me aware of it by generating a pop-up message. They asked if I wanted to submit a report to them to add support. So I did. I received teh following information:

Hi Allen,


Thank you for submitting your report to us. We've fixed a couple of issues in EVEREST about your system, and implemented Intel P43/P45 chipset support.

Make sure to upgrade to the latest beta version of EVEREST Ultimate Edition available at: *removed link*

After upgrading to this new version, make sure to restart Windows to finalize the upgrade.


Best Regards,
Tamas Miklos

Lavalys, Inc.
http://www.lavalys.com

I uploaded it here. Enjoy.

 

[dark2099]

Hopefully will be joining this club officially, RMAing the P5E3 from fit (USPS just can't seem to mail one of his boards with out fucking something up) and if ASUS is cool, getting a P5Q3 DLX WiFi for that DDR3 support.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

My settings at 463 FSB:

Vcore - 1.35
vPLL - 1.56
vNB - 1.51

Everything else on auto other than RAM timings (5-5-5-15 2T)

Priming now. Idle is 29-32*C with the Thermaltake V1 CPU cooler and MX-2 paste. CPU temp currently while priming is 65*C and MB is 37*C.

Edit: Shortly after posting, Worker Thread #4 failed after 7 minutes.

Can anyone recommed some GTL settings for the 45nm quad cores? I know they arent the same as the 45 dual cores.

 

[Fitseries3]

as of right now i dont have a 45nm quad. im trying to obtain one though. i'll dig around on XS and see if i can find something for ya.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

as of right now i dont have a 45nm quad. im trying to obtain one though. i'll dig around on XS and see if i can find something for ya.

I did happen to run across this though but I didnt see anything with GTL's.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3090733

 

[SirKeldon]

I wish i could help you a little bit Crash, but all the info that i will give it's from a C2D, not a quad ... anyway after a week and specially today (wanted to test if the chip really degraded or not) i found several things that are making my rig almost 100% stable with everything set on auto except the voltages and some memory timings, hope it helps you as well as all the other ppl hanging around with this P45 mobo's ... as they say on this XS thread, the P5Q Deluxe it's a lil bit crazy applying the voltages, some are overvolting and another ones are undervolting, first i would do is to check yours with some DMM and adjust them appropiately, cause if you leave the voltages on Auto or the lowest available setting it will just overvolt as hell ... you can start with this if you don't have a DMM:

On my Pro it's not the same though, anyway i've been Prime stable (and some 3DMarks while Prime was on) today with these CPU-Z readings:

333x9 - 3000Mhz - 1.112V (memory working @ 800Mhz 4-4-4-12)
400x9 - 3600Mhz - 1.216V (memory working @ 800Mhz 4-4-4-12)

On all the configurations BIOS settings were the following (P5Q Pro on-load real DMM measured readings), in this particular case is for the 400x9, BIOS Version is 0703 (official from ASUS):

Advance CPU Settings

CPU Ratio Setting: 09.0
CPU VID: (i don't have this one)
C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel® Virtualization Tech: ENABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: ENABLED
Intel SpeedStep: DISABLED
Intel C-TECH: DISABLED

AI Tweaker Settings

CPU Ratio Setting: 9.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-801 (1:1)

CAS# Latency: 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO (i just have one CPU GTL but i have it @ auto)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52v (1.558V)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.22v (1.141V)
DRAM Voltage: 2.02v (2.10V)
NB Voltage: 1.12v (1.154V)
NB GTL Reference: AUTO (i don't have this setting)
SBridge Voltage: 1.20v
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60v

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: AUTO
NB Spread Spectrum: AUTO
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

I'm adding the shots of 3 & 3.6Ghz, i'm actually priming now for more than an hour with 4.05Ghz @ 1.344V, wish me luck

333x9 - 1.112V

400x9 - 1.216V

update: 450x9 failed to Prime after 2h30m with those settings ... i'm still trying to stabilize it 100% ... as soon as i get it i'll post the settings ... it seems this BIOS is a lil bit tricky

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Here's someone on XS with 4GHz on the P5Q Deluxe with a 9450.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7291/500x8primetz2.jpg

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3090607&postcount=703 (its in his sig)

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Running 3.6GHz atm with CPU GTL's at .64 running a little over 2hrs prime stable.

 

[Fitseries3]

is there a trend you noticed that the GTLs follow?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I havent messed with GTL's much. Last night, I tried .63 on the CPU GTL's and everything kept crashing along with prime. I upped it to .64 and it seems to be going good. The only thing thats worrying me is the CPU temp. Its at 78*C at this moment.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

What would too high of a GTL be for the 45 quads?

 

[Fitseries3]

i just used the .63 for my q9450 all the way to the FSB wall.

 

[dark2099]

What exactly are GTL's and how do they affect overclocking?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Have a gander :

http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/12436-post11.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunning_Transceiver_Logic

 

[Fitseries3]

GTL is a reference voltage that boosts stability to multi core processors under different loads. it has to do with the voltage regulation of the VRM's to the cpu itself.(AKA.. the power backplane)

if your NB voltage is 1.28v and your GTL on the NB is .63 then you do 1.28v X .63 = 0.8064v

if your computer isnt 100% stable you can try upping the gtl or NB voltage...
1.3v X .63 = 0.8190v
1.28v X .64 = 0.8192v
1.3v X .64 = 0.8320v

and so on.

CPU GTL is determined the same way.

EDIT: this is how it was explained to me by a few well known OCers.

 

[SirKeldon]

Finally i stabilized the 445x9 @ 1,336V-1,344V (idle-load) after a 12 hours Prime95 blend session, here's the shot (btw, idle temps are much better ... but i never remember to leave the RealTemp @ night, when it relaxes on light tasks is 27-29ºC/24-26ºC):

And here are the settings that were used, BIOS version is 0708 (beta version for the P5Q-Pro available at XS) but should work on the 0704 for the Deluxe:

Advance CPU Settings

CPU Ratio Setting: 09.0
CPU VID: (i don't have this one)
C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Max CPUID Value Limit: DISABLED
Intel® Virtualization Tech: ENABLED
CPU TM Function: DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: ENABLED
Intel SpeedStep: DISABLED
Intel C-TECH: DISABLED

AI Tweaker Settings

CPU Ratio Setting: 9.0
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 445
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-891 (1:1)

CAS# Latency: 4
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 4
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 12
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: AUTO
DRAM Read Training: ENABLED
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: STRONG
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL
Performance Level: 9
Phases: ALL DISABLED

CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO (i just have one CPU GTL but i have it @ auto)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52v (1.558V)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.26v (1.176V)
DRAM Voltage: 2.02v (2.10V)
NB Voltage: 1.12v (1.154V)
NB GTL Reference: AUTO (i don't have this setting)
SBridge Voltage: 1.20v
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60v

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: AUTO
NB Spread Spectrum: AUTO
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Right now i purchased new RAM, a pair of Dominator's that should be able to do about 1150-1200Mhz ... so i'll keep the tests with diff memory settings, i'll keep all of you informed

 

[Fitseries3]

0804 and 0902 bios are out for P5Q3 DLX if anyone still has that board. both are supposed to fix the ram over 1333mhz problem with not posting but it's not a 100% fix. i have found that i can run up to around 1800mhz but still get BSOD within the first 10-15mins almost every time. a newer version should be out in the next day or so and i hope it helps.... i've been just sitting here waiting for a new bios that actually works with my ram(micron d9gtr's). today is the first time the board has been booted in a week and i'll say it's marginally better with the 0902 bios but not enough to make my machine benchable.

630mhz FSB is EASILY ATTAINABLE on this board and i have seen into the low 700's from some people. i hope to get there myself as soon as the ram issue is solved.

 

[Fitseries3]

here's 550FSB 100% stable...

 

[SirKeldon]

CPU: 4005Mhz (445x9) - RAM: 1116Mhz 5-5-5-15 @ 2.2V - 12h 30m Prime Blend passed (BIOS 0708)

JumperFree Configuration Settings

AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 9x
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 445
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1116 (4:5)
DRAM Timing Control: MANUAL

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 25
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: DISABLED
DRAM Read Training: DISABLED
MEM. OC Charger: ENABLED
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: MANUAL
Performance Level: 8
Phases: ALL DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.35625v (CPU-Z readings - idle: 1.336V - load: 1.344V)
CPU GTL Voltage Reference: AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52 (measured: 1.551V)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28 (measured: 1.20V - stability and sync improved, Vcore never maxing to 1.352V with this setting)
DRAM Voltage: 2.12 (measured: 2.20V)
NB Voltage: 1.12 (measured: 1.15V)
SBridge Voltage: 1.20
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60

Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
NB Spread Spectrum: AUTO
CPU Clock Skew : AUTO
NB Clock Skew : AUTO

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Enabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
Intel SpeedStep Technology: Disabled

 

[Judas]

My P5q3 is in,quite a nice board ...still working the bios out

 

[ViciousXUSMC]

Tagged, I need to look into this more when I get home. I have the Asus P5Q Deluxe and I am 100% stable with my q6600 @ 3.6ghz but its all auto right now. Strangest thing I tried to start with the most simple manual settings like the cpu core voltage and I could not boot.

I show 1.38-1.42 in windows via cpu-z but I tried 1.4v manual and even 1.5v and it wouldnt boot. Heck it even froze and started to scream at me (had this really horrible high pitched sound sounded like one of the fans wint into super super turbo mode)

I seem to recall a review somewhere that said they had similar results with more stability with auto settings than trying to sort them out manually. Im a pretty firm beliver in if it aint broke dont fix it, but I would like to know what kind of voltages its using under auto and its quite possible I can go higher because temps are fine at 3.6, even tho I am quite happy with 3.6 as a final setting, gives me a nice 1:1 fsb/ram ratio and its fast enough.

 

[ViciousXUSMC]

Im prime stable now 400mhz FSB with the q6600 GO

I got the vcore changed from auto to 1.475 shows me ~1.45 in windows but when running prime and all 4 cores are 100% load it drops down to 1.40v
I failed after about 8 sweeps when I was at 1.45v and I think thats because under load I got down to 1.38v

I also reduced my memory timings from 5-5-5-15 to the 5-4-4-12 that they are in the EPP profile according to cpu-z so they can probably go even lower but thats good for now.

So what do you think guys, if I am prime stable leave the other stuff at auto (if it aint broke dont fix it.) or tweak it out more and find manual settings for the rest of it?

I have alot of experience overclocking but back in the day we only messed with ram timings, ram/cpu core voltage, nb voltage, and ram dividers. All this new stuff like the gtl confuses me.

Temps are great! the P182 case has 2 exaust fans right near the cpu cooler, so the thermalright keeps it at 60c under full load.

 

[Judas]

Tagged, I need to look into this more when I get home. I have the Asus P5Q Deluxe and I am 100% stable with my q6600 @ 3.6ghz but its all auto right now. Strangest thing I tried to start with the most simple manual settings like the cpu core voltage and I could not boot.

I show 1.38-1.42 in windows via cpu-z but I tried 1.4v manual and even 1.5v and it wouldnt boot. Heck it even froze and started to scream at me (had this really horrible high pitched sound sounded like one of the fans wint into super super turbo mode)

I seem to recall a review somewhere that said they had similar results with more stability with auto settings than trying to sort them out manually. Im a pretty firm beliver in if it aint broke dont fix it, but I would like to know what kind of voltages its using under auto and its quite possible I can go higher because temps are fine at 3.6, even tho I am quite happy with 3.6 as a final setting, gives me a nice 1:1 fsb/ram ratio and its fast enough.

High pitch sound, I had that too yesterday strange was not even over clocked
sounded like a fan had got stuck, then i realised that OS had froze rebooted and it was gone
Had to change me memory sticks the OCZ ddr3 1600mhz kit would not run well

 

[alexp999]

Im prime stable now 400mhz FSB with the q6600 GO

I got the vcore changed from auto to 1.475 shows me ~1.45 in windows but when running prime and all 4 cores are 100% load it drops down to 1.40v
I failed after about 8 sweeps when I was at 1.45v and I think thats because under load I got down to 1.38v

I also reduced my memory timings from 5-5-5-15 to the 5-4-4-12 that they are in the EPP profile according to cpu-z so they can probably go even lower but thats good for now.

So what do you think guys, if I am prime stable leave the other stuff at auto (if it aint broke dont fix it.) or tweak it out more and find manual settings for the rest of it?

I have alot of experience overclocking but back in the day we only messed with ram timings, ram/cpu core voltage, nb voltage, and ram dividers. All this new stuff like the gtl confuses me.

Temps are great! the P182 case has 2 exaust fans right near the cpu cooler, so the thermalright keeps it at 60c under full load.

Have you tried the load line calibration option to stop vdroop?? Then you could probably set the vcore at 1.4v