The Guitar clubhouse

[snuif09]

well i didnt state it in this thread but i ripped somthing in my left pinky(dunno what its called but it makes your pinky move up and down) so i couldnt use my left hand and im not going to play guitar with one hand lol

 

[PP Mguire]

A tendon?

 

[mlee49]

well i didnt state it in this thread but i ripped somthing in my left pinky(dunno what its called but it makes your pinky move up and down) so i couldnt use my left hand and im not going to play guitar with one hand lol

Loosing a finger or two never stopped Tony Iommi! Any many musicians have been influenced by injury, just look at Les Paul.

 

[snuif09]

well why would i demolish it when it can be healed?

 

[snuif09]

A tendon?

yea that

 

[PP Mguire]

well why would i demolish it when it can be healed?

I agree. Theres no point in hurting yourself more when you can just chill a bit and let it heal. I have carpal tunnel in my left hand rolleyes: Go figure) and i only play as much as my dr says i can play. Which is more than youd think but hey, hes the dr. He said itd be ok to do a 2 hour show as long as i have at least a 20 minute break in between sets (he plays bass). But something like a torn tendon needs alot of care to heal.

 

[Widjaja]

@PP Mguire
I don't really know how Wile E and my preference of fixed bridge electrics turned into talking about backup guitars and the time it takes to change them.

At the end of the day my experience with floating bridges has given me a preference to fixed bridge because I don't like pressing down the bridge with the palm of my hand with the right pressure when I snap a string.

Solo is derived from solitude, which means by yourself. Not every piece of music has lyrics in it either so it still doesn't warrant being called a 'solo' if it's not a solo, but a lead.

Some people say it's a solo just because the lead guitarist is playing a fast lead. Oh, yeah, I do read tablature, that doesn't really mean anything or relate anything to a 'solo' otherwise, what's lead? Is there actually a difference based on the definition you're giving it?

It's not my own definition but the actual definition given in notation and proper tabulature. Not the usually incorrect tab you get off the internet.
If you read say a guitar world magazine you will find these 'solo' references in the tabulature/notation.

This states a guitar solo does not mean just by itself and I'm sure I can find more references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_solo

And here's what a lead guitar does in a band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_guitar

Dude I didn't spend 3 years in music school studying music theory to not know what I'm talking about.

 

[PP Mguire]

Experience outweighs schooling in a case of breaking a string live. With a floating bridge experience tells you that merely pressing the whammy bar to try and keep your guitar in tune does not work. Experience with a floating bridge will also make the time to change a string (learning tricks of the trade) alot quicker. In this situation with playing live its best to have a backup guitar just in case and not being able to afford really isnt an excuse. If your playing live your getting money. I paid 70 bucks for my Charvell at a pawn shop and rebuilt it. Cost me the price of 3 springs, a new bar, and a pack of strings. A little love too but that never cost anything. Thats where the backup guitar thing came into play. And even when i played straight bridge i still had a backup guitar. But, like i said i almost never break a string on my floating trem guitars.

It's not my own definition but the actual definition given in notation and proper tabulature. Not the usually incorrect tab you get off the internet.
If you read say a guitar world magazine you will find these 'solo' references in the tabulature/notation.

This states a guitar solo does not mean just by itself and I'm sure I can find more references.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_solo

And here's what a lead guitar does in a band.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_guitar

You basicaly put the same thing i said except a few sites to back it up.

 

[Wile E]

My preference of fixed bridge guitars stems mostly from my tonal and sustain preferences. I can't stand the sound difference a floating bridge makes when all else is equal. I also stay away from bolt-on necks for the same reasons. Thus my preferred guitar is a LP. Floating bridges just never suited my ear, or playing style.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Just Jamming along to Brothers in arms by Dire Straits - Ive managed to replicate Mark. K's exact tone (or close) on my shitty marshall amp

love that track

 

[Widjaja]

Experience outweighs schooling in a case of breaking a string live. With a floating bridge experience tells you that merely pressing the whammy bar to try and keep your guitar in tune does not work. Experience with a floating bridge will also make the time to change a string (learning tricks of the trade) alot quicker. In this situation with playing live its best to have a backup guitar just in case and not being able to afford really isnt an excuse. If your playing live your getting money. I paid 70 bucks for my Charvell at a pawn shop and rebuilt it. Cost me the price of 3 springs, a new bar, and a pack of strings. A little love too but that never cost anything. Thats where the backup guitar thing came into play. And even when i played straight bridge i still had a backup guitar. But, like i said i almost never break a string on my floating trem guitars.

Schooling is not just about music theory but also practical.
The first music school I went to was alot more practical based.
e.g being chucked into a band from different musicians from other music schools around the country and told to improvise something in 5 minutes infront of a musically trained audience.

Less tension on a floating bridge causes the strings to drop in pitch, so in my experience, losing a string on a floating bridge caused less tension therefore dropping the pitch of the guitar enough to sound out of tune, even though there maybe a locking mechanisim at the top of the neck.
In my experienced this on an old pink Ibanez Jem and a genuine Stienberger regardless of locking mechanisim at the nut.

Anyway as Wile E and I said before, this is out of personal preference.
We are not stating everyone shuuld get fixed bridge guitars because of our experience with them.

You basicaly put the same thing i said except a few sites to back it up.

No.
You are saying in music terms lead and a solo are the same thing.
The 'lead' in this case is a guitar.
The 'solo' is one of the roles the 'lead guitar' has within a band situation in songs which have a solo.

 

[kylew]

Schooling is not just about music theory but also practical.
The first music school I went to was alot more practical based.
e.g being chucked into a band from different musicians from other music schools around the country and told to improvise something in 5 minutes infront of a musically trained audience.

Less tension on a floating bridge causes the strings to drop in pitch, so in my experience, losing a string on a floating bridge caused less tension therefore dropping the pitch of the guitar enough to sound out of tune, even though there maybe a locking mechanisim at the top of the neck.
In my experienced this on an old pink Ibanez Jem and a genuine Stienberger regardless of locking mechanisim at the nut.

Anyway as Wile E and I said before, this is out of personal preference.
We are not stating everyone shuuld get fixed bridge guitars because of our experience with them.




No.
You are saying in music terms lead and a solo are the same thing.
The 'lead' in this case is a guitar.
The 'solo' is one of the roles the 'lead guitar' has within a band situation in songs which have a solo.

That's what I don't get though, because based on that definition, some songs/tracks or at least the majority of it would be classed as a solo, which wouldn't make sense. Which is why I don't how lead and solo are interchangeable.

One track where it's bascially all lead/complex playing/fast, by the definition you gave, that'd be a solo, but it makes no sense to call a whole track a solo, but it would make sense to call it the 'lead' part, with the rythm guitarist playing the rythm and so on.

As for learning definitions in music school, there are loads of things that are taught wrong in schools because they're based on assumptions and misinformation.

I've seen teachers telling kids that you use apostrophes for plurals, and teaching them completely wrong ways to spell things or teaching them things in science that have been since proven wrong, and so on.

I'm not having a go or insulting you or anything, just pointing out that just because it's taught it doesn't mean it's always right.

 

[Widjaja]

That's what I don't get though, because based on that definition, some songs/tracks or at least the majority of it would be classed as a solo, which wouldn't make sense. Which is why I don't how lead and solo are interchangeable.

One track where it's bascially all lead/complex playing/fast, by the definition you gave, that'd be a solo, but it makes no sense to call a whole track a solo, but it would make sense to call it the 'lead' part, with the rythm guitarist playing the rythm and so on.

As for learning definitions in music school, there are loads of things that are taught wrong in schools because they're based on assumptions and misinformation.

I've seen teachers telling kids that you use apostrophes for plurals, and teaching them completely wrong ways to spell things or teaching them things in science that have been since proven wrong, and so on.

I'm not having a go or insulting you or anything, just pointing out that just because it's taught it doesn't mean it's always right.

If you read the link under lead guitar in my second to last post, it states three parts a lead guitar plays.
The melody line, intrumental fills and solo.
There are certain things which define them from each other but I guess some people may not be able to tell the difference.

I have had about three different music teachers who taught me theory and your'e saying they have all taught me wrong and yet I pass my papers which come from Royal schools and Trinity Schools of music?
And your'e also suggesting the books I was made to read, bought from music stores written by professors of music are wrong too?

I suggest you ask Andy Aledort, very experienced guitarist and transcriber at guitar world on the difference between lead guitar and soloing if you don't believe me and no doubt there will be more people who will relpy to your question.
Or even get him to listen to the track and tell him what I said is a solo and find out what his and other guitarists say.

I will not state something which is incorrect if i am positive on the answer.

 

[kylew]

If you read the link under lead guitar in my second to last post, it states three parts a lead guitar plays.
The melody line, intrumental fills and solo.
There are certain things which define them from each other but I guess some people may not be able to tell the difference.

I have had about three different music teachers who taught me theory and your'e saying they have all taught me wrong and yet I pass my papers which come from Royal schools and Trinity Schools of music?
And your'e also suggesting the books I was made to read, bought from music stores written by professors of music are wrong too?

I suggest you ask Andy Aledort, very experienced guitarist and transcriber at guitar world on the difference between lead guitar and soloing if you don't believe me and no doubt there will be more people who will relpy to your question.
Or even get him to listen to the track and tell him what I said is a solo and find out what his and other guitarists say.

I will not state something which is incorrect if i am positive on the answer.

I'm not saying your teachers are wrong as such, but that I personally wouldn't take it as 'proof' that it's right, because I know that there are many things that are being taught in schools/colleges etc. that are wrong due to either ignorance, assumptions or just plain stupidity.

At my school more than a few teachers taught how to use punctuation wrongly, how to spell some words wrongly, gave wrong definitions of words, and some things in science were taught, that had been proven to be wrong, yet it was still taught.

So in simple terms, to me, just because it's taught, doesn't mean it's right.

It just doesn't make any sense to call it a solo, when a solo is used in other circumstances to mean single, and if you've got solo and lead, it doesn't seem right to use both interchangeably.

Most people state things they *think* are correct, it's the way people speak , hence, I think it's correct to not use solo in place of lead.

 

[Ongaku]

I have over 400 things i can do with my Legend 21 But mainly i use my stock distortion for the more "classic rock" part of our band and use the overdrive for solos. Everything else if your an experienced guitarist you know what i use the other stuff for. (Delay, Chorus, Vibe, reverb, compression, gate, limiter, ect)

Ongaku, when your tuning to drop D your going down on your E string. So theres no way it could snap unless you seriosuly dont know what your doing. I highly highly suggest before you start buying new things and wasting money you learn your instrument fully then move on. Im not saying your a n00b or anything but really anybody whos serious about guitar should know almost everything about it before they go paying for things that before arent really neccesary. Like this drop D thing for instance. Hit the E string, and the D string and then drop the E till it matches the D. Boom your done. Also whammy on a strat?

I hated the whammy on my strat. I even replaced my tuners on it with self locking tuners and the damn thing still goes outa tune. Im just gonna put a Floyd on it and be done with it :/

On that note, anybody know where i can get a Floyd lock? Im seriously tired of going around the house looking for things to lock my floating trem when i restring.

I know what I'm doing...Drop D is simple as hell, it's C and D tuning that are tough for me.

yeah and the whammy bar *sigh* lol I was pissed when I was using it and I heard a crack...doesn't sound like it's messed with the sound at all...I'm just glad the wood didn't crack

I started getting into effects when I started listening to Muse...which was back in 2002, my dad bought me the RP-80 and I have had well good fun with that...but as I learned, a single pedal doing a single effect sounds a lot better

 

[Widjaja]

Most people state things they *think* are correct, it's the way people speak , hence, I think it's correct to not use solo in place of lead.

So your'e saying Kirk Hammett of Metallica has been taught wrong too?
As he uses the term solos in "Creeping Death" and "Ride the Lightning" in his this interview?
http://mog.com/Sturgell/blog_post/166054

I know what I'm doing...Drop D is simple as hell, it's C and D tuning that are tough for me.

yeah and the whammy bar *sigh* lol I was pissed when I was using it and I heard a crack...doesn't sound like it's messed with the sound at all...I'm just glad the wood didn't crack

I started getting into effects when I started listening to Muse...which was back in 2002, my dad bought me the RP-80 and I have had well good fun with that...but as I learned, a single pedal doing a single effect sounds a lot better

Yeah when going from standard tuning to C or lower is when another guitar is needed.
My Semi-hollow is tuned to D-G-E-E-A-B for 3 Libras as it seems to be a popular request song in the bars the band plays in.
Most the chicks flock to the singer when he sings it and the guys give him the evils from the background.

When you mention the crack sound I was thinking it was the wood too.
I know someone who thought they could raise the pitch of thier guitar with the whammy on thier strat which did this, fortunatley it was just a Squire.
Despite the Fender Strat being overpriced, I believe it's the most versitile electric still.
As for those plastic miniature multi effects pedals. . . .they suck hard when having to click through the effects multiple times back and forth just to get the right effect.

Muse is one of my favorite bands, got hooked when I listened to New Born from Origin of Symmetry.
Made me get back into piano.

 

[russianboy]

dude.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=32777&highlight=players+clubhouse

 

[Wile E]

dude.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=32777&highlight=players+clubhouse

Yeah, but this one is a more specialized club house. lol.

 

[PP Mguire]

No i said a lead is a solo in a song. A solo by itself is a guitar solo.

 

[Widjaja]

No i said a lead is a solo in a song. A solo by itself is a guitar solo.

So you would be saying Kirk Hammett doesn't know what hes saying when he talks about solos in "Creeping Death" and "Ride the Lightning" (which are songs) in his this interview?
http://mog.com/Sturgell/blog_post/166054

 

[PP Mguire]

If your deff of a solo is the same as his than what were calling a lead and what your calling a solo is the same thing. Like i had JUST said, a lead (to me) is a solo in a song. A solo by itself is a guitar solo.

 

[Widjaja]

If your deff of a solo is the same as his than what were calling a lead and what your calling a solo is the same thing. Like i had JUST said, a lead (to me) is a solo in a song. A solo by itself is a guitar solo.

Ah so your'e one of those people who will continue to call a solo a lead even if the majority call a lead a solo.

Gotcha.

 

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Too many people on this thread are teenagers who aren't seasoned musicians.
A lead and a solo are two different things. Take "Raining Blood" by Slayer for instance, the famous riff that Kerry King plays is a lead, however it's not a solo by any means. If you listen to his backing track along with the bass and drums it's completely different, the other instruments are just carrying a rhythm for him to follow.

Most songs follow an AABA format..
A being the main riff/licks and the verse.
B being a solo or a rythmatic change to break the feel of redudancy from peice A
And back to A again, this time feeling fresh and new again, thanks to the change of pace brought on from peice B.

I hope you all understood that.

 

[Widjaja]

Ozzman, I think what you wrote is the most simple way to put it.
I just can't put my own words into a more simple explanation.
The curse of forgetting what it is like to be new to guitaring and theory.

 

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Ozzman, I think what you wrote is the most simple way to put it.
I just can't put my own words into a more simple explanation.
The curse of forgetting what it is like to be new to guitaring and theory.

Thanks man, I was just trying to explain it the way I write it, I seen it on TV once in an interview explained as "AABA Format" and it made more sense to me. Now that's how I explain it to new players.

If you think about it, any song you know (other than thrash metal, they tend to like to pack as many riffs into a song as possible) mainly follows this format.