urge to move to the darkside.. rising..

[tkpenalty]

I smell a lock in the fututre :shadedshu please... no fanboys, just PURE facts.

why?
if he would buy anything it would be a x2 3600 and clock it to 3ghz

Yes if he buys a C2D and clocks it to 3Ghz I will smite you if you say the 3600+ is faster... (lol 6300, 3600).

puuuu-puuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!*sound of train arriving*

at stock speeds i can find one that matchs your 4300

...Cost differences. Remember that Penryn will run on 1066FSB mobos.

 

[pt]

I smell a lock in the fututre :shadedshu please... no fanboys, just PURE facts.



Yes if he buys a C2D and clocks it to 3Ghz I will smite you if you say the 3600+ is faster... (lol 6300, 3600).



...Cost differences. Remember that Penryn will run on 1066FSB mobos.

at a same or lower price

the 6300 is faster than the x2 4400+ when overclocked

 

[SilentAces]

puuuu-puuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!*sound of train arriving*

at stock speeds i can find one that matchs your 4300

lol...you make me lol with your stock speed comparison....no one buys C2D for stock speeds...Find me an amd benchmark with SM2 that beats me...oh...and if you do i will pull out the price book and see just how much more it is compared to my 4300...AGAIN find me an AMD system that outscores me in SM2...

in the future im sure amd will, and i hope they do have better cpu's...i am still an amd fanboy at heart...but i know what is good right now...

Now that's some interesting info...I don't understand how that works, but if you find the link I'd like to see how they figured that lowering your cpu multi would actually increase your FSB. It makes no sense to me, and I have not noticed that ever. But do please post that link!

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=30

its the second post that helps me understand a little why this is...but i have to admit i don't understand every aspect of it...i have read it a few times and i am learning..lol..

i also tested this and took a screenshot of my results if anyone is interested...I hope Im not out of line. I know this is not my thread, but i figure this info could be useful..

notice how intel's TAT even reads as 3.599(3.6Ghz)....when i took this i was running 400x8=3.2Ghz in bios (see CPUZ at bottom)...and Sandra reads "Front Side Bus Speed 4x 450Mhz (1800Mhz data rate)"

 

[pt]

lAGAIN find me an AMD system that outscores me in SM2...

at 3.6?
none (that i know of)

.no one buys C2D for stock speeds...

you sure?
not everyone overclocks...

 

[SilentAces]

at 3.6?
none (that i know of)

hell im wondering now at what speed does an AMD take me then...

you sure?
not everyone overclocks...

well i guess for sake of arguement we should just say for Ketxxx and not everyone....I'm sure he will be doing as much oc'ing as possible..and this thread is for him....

I am still interested in the amd6000....i can't find anything really on this cpu, is it out or soon to be released? or is everyone lol at me cause i don't know better? lol


like i said before this is all about RIGHT NOW...C2D right now.....in the near future i wonder who will be faster...

 

[pt]

hell im wondering now at what speed does an AMD take me then...

if you do some math you will discover

well i guess for sake of arguement we should just say for Ketxxx and not everyone....I'm sure he will be doing as much oc'ing as possible..and this thread is for him....

I am still interested in the amd6000....i can't find anything really on this cpu, is it out or soon to be released? or is everyone lol at me cause i don't know better? lol


like i said before this is all about RIGHT NOW...C2D right now.....in the near future i wonder who will be faster...

he sure will be overclocking, but he already as a great mobo, so i think a dual-core cpu will be enough for some 3d work, instead of buying a new mobo and cpu,
that's just my opinion...


ps: the 6000+ is a x2 series chip clocked at 3ghz, same architecture
http://www.amd.com/gb-uk/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041^13076,00.html

 

[kwchang007]

no one buys C2D for stock speeds

i did only cause i can't overclock it

 

[trt740]

If you guys can wait tell tomorrow I will be home and you will see what 65.00 gets you when I over clock my AM2 3600x2 to 3.1ghz or higher I'm in Georgia now heading for Ohio and my new ram. Right now with crap ram at 2.8ghz or 900 mghz oced I'm running faster than FX60, FX62,4800+,5000+, 5200+, 5400+, Optys ,165,170,185 at stock and surpassing Tatty Ones and my 4000+ single cores(FX53 in disguise) running at 3.1ghz. I'm most likely going to hit 1700 to 1750 in scientific 2.0 scores and for 65 dollars thats major bang for the buck. So you know so far I'm at stock voltage at that speed. Yes it's not a e6300 but it's coming close and will last at least a year or more tell AMD's new chips are out. Look at my chips big brother a 5200+ at 3.1ghz it hitting in the 1700+ range and my chip is really the same chip physically (almost, slightly different but really the same) and will be running at a higher FSB. Tatty if you wanted bang for the buck a Biostar 550 and this chip, plus your new ram would have cost you about 280.00. Now thats bang for the buck a 3.1ghz chip, AM2 board and new ram for that price. A e6300 cost 180.00 or more buy it's self thats about three times my chips cost Wow!!! O well the dark side always tastes so sweet I almost switched my self but resisted. I just cannot forget the way Intel treated me in the 90's.


Remember Jedi that way only leads to lust, hate,destruction and death. Those things a true Jedi does not seek. Those are things only sought by the Sith.

 

[Pinchy]

Yeah get a 975x Mobo

Your OC may be a little lower, but you would want to get as much out of your RAM as you can

 

[trt740]

Am I wrong or are some of the new 6000+ chips hitting 3.37ghz on air and over 3.4ghz on water. I'm seeing this in reviews. I wonder how this compares with the C2D at or near the same price 239.00. Haven't seen them Oced and compared but at stock it seems to fair well against a e6600 and under? Whats your take on that in reference to this kind of upgrade talk. The e6400 and it are priced the same and the E6700 is 100.00 more.

 

[newtekie1]

Am I wrong or are some of the new 6000+ chips hitting 3.37ghz on air and over 3.4ghz on water. I'm seeing this in reviews. I wonder how this compares with the C2D at or near the same price 239.00. Haven't seen them Oced and compared but at stock it seems to fair well against a e6600 and under? Whats your take on that in reference to this kind of upgrade talk. The e6400 and it are priced the same and the E6700 is 100.00 more.

The $164 E4300 gets to 3.6GHz on air and hands the 6000+ its ass on a silver platter with all the trimmings. Thats my take on that.

 

[trt740]

I'm not so sure all of them hit 3.6ghz at 3.2 ghz they appear rather close and most sites seem to indicate they both most often will hit on air 3.3ghz. At stock the 6000+ beats it badly. I realize over clocked the E6400 beats a 6000+ but is it by that much and is it worth a rebuild. The benches I see put the 6000+ maybe 10 percent slower than a e6400. When it's clocked near the 3.3ghz mark. If I were building new I would buy a e6300 or e4300 but I'm talking upgrading a AM2 system ,selling , tweaking new components and hoping you get the right component mix, not building a new system. Ketxx has a tried and true system and it's modded and tweaked already. Then there is the Barcelona factor for a existing AM2 owner . Which AMD promises a 40 percent increase in performance over current AMD chips in about 8 months hum. Great thread it's got me thinking. Ketx I've beaten this to death but this is a very bad idea money wise. If you had a 939 system I'd say yes but not a AM2 system that makes no sense from the time and money and future upgrade stand point. From a fun factor stand point it might be worth it but I hate to see you rebuild again when Barcelona comes out (but thats a If and when too). If you wait all you have to do is drop a chip in and go. If you don't , which I'm one to talk, you have the failed components to deal with, (because rarely does everything you buy work right the first time) selling your old system, building the new system, tweaking it etc..to deal with. Well good luck

 

[Tatty_Two]

Bottom line is that on air, you will not find any AMD system that will run SuperPi 1M test faster than 24seconds, I beleive C2D's on stock cooling hit around 14 seconds, speaks for itself really does it not?

The last review I read on the 6000+ clearly stated that in many apps/benches it was faster than a E6400 at stock, and in one or two cases, a 6600 at stock but was beaten in Every bench by ANY C2D once that C2D acheived approx 2.7Gig on an overclock, 3Gig and above would absolutely blow the 6000+ away in every bench. My old Sandy 4000+ at 3.275 gig only managed SuperPi of 25.010 by the way. Averages across the board suggest that clock for clock the C2D is 15-20% faster than the Athlon so if the 6000 will do lets say 3.2Gig than at that speed the C2D is 15-20% faster, once you get the C2D to 3.5Gig you are probably talking 30-40% faster, do I sound like an Intel fanboy yet? I will probably get mine and think it's the worst mistake I have ever made!!!!

Lastly, over here you can but 2 E4300's for the price of a 6000+, I know because I was seriously thinking of getting one. Ohhhhh and Barcelona being a server processor will not be widely available to retail on release (if available at all, bear in mind initially the Opterons were only available in socket 940 and not retail available) and even when it is it is likely to be VERY exspensive and arguabally not as good as Intels likely offering, not my thoughts, just some bits I have read)

 

[tkpenalty]

TRT740 you are a REAL AMD fanboy, just go with the flow, i'm still an ATI fanboy but I do have a grasp of reality. I'll say it again, you can't compare a consumer level CPU to a CPU thats almost double the price, its like comparing a Hyundai to a Ferrari. If you equivalently clock a E4300 to the +6000... good lord, the E4300 for half the price (and cooling-im talking about stock cooling) just spanks the +6000. Now it was the same as X2 3800s VS Pentium D-Pentium Ds were like 3.2Ghz while AMDs a third of a clockspeed, the Pentium D EE got smacked to the other corner of the universe when the +3800 was clocked to the same speed. Deja Vu anyone?



(hey look a flying pig!!!)

 

[trt740]

Not a fan boy however I didn't forget what Intel was like when you were in diapers. LOL

 

[Tatty_Two]

Not a fan boy however I didn't forget what Intel was like when you were in diapers. LOL

Trt.......WE are AMD fanboi's!!!! and I like it that way

 

[SilentAces]

idk why i am commenting...but bottom line RIGHT NOW is this....No AMD is beating C2D..BOTTOM LINE...I asked for benchmark proof that AMD is faster, and no one has provided anything...I think that says it all...lol...

INTELAMD

 

[bruins004]

The only AMD proc that is worth buying is the X2 3600+ bc it is $65 and nothing can beat it at that price range.
However, if you are going to go for any other proc then go with Intel.

I myself got an x2 3600+ to hold me over until next year when I get a new mobo, CPU and GPU
Bestest and cheapest upgrade.
With that and 2 Gigs of Ram it runs like a champ

So either go for the X2 3600+ or a C2D (if you want to spend more than $65).

 

[Eric_Cartman]

I'm not worried about the E4300 "low" FSB either, as the mobo it will go with packs some serious firepower, so that "low" FSB shouldnt be a problem, guestimation? it'll reach around 1000-1100MHz FSB Link That shows the 4300 hitting a monster 1600MHz (OC pg3) FSB, so my estimate of 1100MHz is more than conservative

oh hell yeah, the extremely cheap p5n-e(650i chipset) can hit 400mhz(1600 effective) fsb without modification or even adding voltage to the chipset, the only thing you have to decide on is what multiplier you want in the end, with the e4300 you get a multiplier of 9 with the processor running at 3.6ghz and with the e6300 you end at 7 with the processor running at 3.2ghz

the low starting fsb argument is pretty stupid when you actually think about it, the whole idea behind overclocking processors is to raise the fsb, so the lower starting fsb is negated pretty quickly

high starting multiplier>>>>high starting fsb

anyone that knows anything about overclocking knows that

 

[SilentAces]

i would not get that mobo...from all the info i have collected..its a fine mobo, but for the money others will do better...and one mobo is actually the best choice of all...at least for us die hard oc'ers..

i would suggest buying a P5B-D and using bios 0711..that bios will read the e4300 as a 1066 fsb...changing the bootstrap, and allowing for the fsb wall of 400 to be passed..no bsel mod..no volt mods..nothing to change but the bios..3 people have reached 450fsb with this mobo and bios....of course im sure that it depends on the e4300 itself..but i have yet to see a 4300 not get higher clocks using this and the bsel mod methods...

i am getting a P5B next week sometime....i am pretty sure that my cpu will have no issues running around 450fsb...its the same production week as those who have reached that high fsb...

 

[Eric_Cartman]

the p5b will not do over 400mhz fsb, even when booting at the highest bootstrap, the chipset is just way to starved or voltage to do 400mhz stable and with no way to add voltage to the chipset short of volt mods it is not a good board if you are aiming for 400mhz+

the p5n-e was just and example of a cheap board that hits 400mhz consistantly with little to know effort, with no need to use outdated bios or modify the board in any way

if i was building a machine today i would actually go with the p5n32-e

 

[Tatty_Two]

And I needed a reasonably priced decent overclocking SLi solution which is why I went for mine.

 

[SilentAces]

the p5b will not do over 400mhz fsb, even when booting at the highest bootstrap, the chipset is just way to starved or voltage to do 400mhz stable and with no way to add voltage to the chipset short of volt mods it is not a good board if you are aiming for 400mhz+

the p5n-e was just and example of a cheap board that hits 400mhz consistantly with little to know effort, with no need to use outdated bios or modify the board in any way

if i was building a machine today i would actually go with the p5n32-e

sorry to argue but you are wrong man...i'll pull a screen shot and post it when i get home tonite...the p5b will when using the 0711 bios allow a 4300 to continue in its oc..in 2 cases 440-460 fsb's were reached...idk if you have tried this with the 4300 or if you are just guessing that it wont work, but like i said i will show you it does tonite...and it is by far the best mobo to get if you really want the most out of you 4300 and are not going dual gfx cards...

edit: why wait i found it here... http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=159367

 

[Tatty_Two]

And just for everyones info, with a 7x multiplier, the Asus P5N-E 650i SLi has been tested and benched to show it can exceed 500FSB and on a 9x multi it will handle upto 417 although I appreciate different boards and hardware always play a factor but there is some potential there. Have a look here:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2894&p=3

 

[SilentAces]

And just for everyones info, with a 7x multiplier, the Asus P5N-E 650i SLi has been tested and benched to show it can exceed 500FSB and on a 9x multi ]

yes but the e4300 will never goto 500fsb..and the multi hardley effects the 4300 as it is fsb limited and not frequency limited like the E6xxx line is...