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Who'll be the better president?

Discussion in 'TPU Frontpage Polls' started by W1zzard, Oct 1, 2008.

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Who'll be the better president?

Poll closed Oct 6, 2008.
  1. Barack Obama

    1,290 vote(s)
    57.9%
  2. John McCain

    333 vote(s)
    14.9%
  3. But I want George W. Bush

    177 vote(s)
    7.9%
  4. Don't care

    429 vote(s)
    19.2%
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  1. erocker

    erocker Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Exactly.
     
  2. Darkrealms

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    I think that right now healthcare should receive temporary restrictions as the Government moves out of this department. It can not just be abandonded by the government as the government has helped create the problem.

    The people should be deciding what healthcare costs. If it costs $1000 for a broken pinky, guess what, most people won't go to the doctor and the price will drop. That is capitalism, supply and demand. Right now the government has gotten into everything and the "system" of healthcare has exploded.

    As I had stated earlier I do not have a problem helping out those that helped/ran our country before us (65+ for example) and even having a program to help those in "hard times" for a temporary timeframe while they are getting back on their feet. Business men not politicians should be hired for this type of task.
     
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    Were you related to Mussolini?

    I do have to apologize to everyone here that I love my country. I am not saying in any way that the US is better, but simply that if you didn't agree with your contries principles - you would leave or fight to make it better..well depending on the type of government anyway.
     
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    I really wish the government was not involved in these sectors but unfortunatly with the economy the way it is the government is trying to keep everything running themselves.
     
  5. btarunr

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    Please fellas, no personal insults. If somebody quashed your argument, feel free to quash back without getting personal.

    You are completely wrong because.... is fine, but Are you xxxxxxxxx ? .... isn't.
     
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    I apologize for my statement earlier to Odin Eidolon.

    Can this get back to topic now?
     
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    are you crazy every dignitary in the world flys to the Mayo Clinic or to the Cleveland Clinc for treatment. The USA has the finest doctors and health care in the world hands down.
     
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    so what do you read I bet they are all liberal news outlets.
     
  9. Bigjohn

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    They don't spend "half" by any stretch of the imagination, not per person. And by the way, what is the base tax rate in those countries? People in the USA who make less than 25k typically GET money from the government...yes, GET... America is a superpower not because of it's government, but because of the people.

    America's tax system is an abortion. Democrats in the US talk about what is FAIR. What is fair to them is TAKING what they've not earned and giving it to people, who then VOTE for them. It's unconstitutional, but no one has yet challenged it. Not to mention it's THEFT, immoral and wrong.

    Obama IS a product of the Daly machine in Chicago... the only place the DEAD vote (early and often).

    Is McCain MY pick? No, but his beliefs are MUCH closer to my own that Obama. I want to be making more than 250k some day... so there is no way I'm going to make that harder by putting a huge tax on those people to pay for programs for people who are too stupid to stay in school and get real jobs.
     
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    RE: post 196
    American hospitals treat any and everybody regardless of money, race, religion, etc. Just becase an individual doesn't have health insurance, doesn't mean they are incurable.

    RE: post 201
    Capitalism made the US the superpower it is today. Our founding fathers believed that the the people cotrol there own destinies with minimal government intervention which has also led us to be a superpower.

    RE: post 204
    Please google the Declaration of Independance and the US Constitiution regarding freedom.

    RE: post 207
    You are correct in the sense that no government would be anarchy. However, the foundation of the US government was based on minimal government intervention which is run by the people. Please google the Declaration of Independance and the US Constitiution regarding freedom.

    RE: post 220
    You are correct that our healthcare is in need of reform. Based on the Declaration of Independance and the US Constitiution I would strongly oppose a nationalized healthcare system which I assume you are in favor of.
     
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    Of these 4 jokers Biden is the best choice of the 4 and hes not my first choice either. I would have voted for Hillary Clinton ,with all her warts and flaws, atleast I knew what I was getting but shes not my first choice either. To tell you the truth they are all goofs and none of them are normal people looking out for the average American. They are all million airs, with the exception of Palin and she doesn't have enough experience and thats scary because she has more experience than Obama shes aleast run and state and been a mayor, Obama never sponsored a bill until last week, never ran any goverment, anything, never wrote a city or state budget, or overseen a goverment office , never even handled a budget for a small town, didn't serve in the military, wasn't a Govenor, all he was was a political activist ,a city council member,and a senator 137 days who didn't vote on anything and imediately upon arriving on capitol hill started running for president and we want him to lead us into two wars as a commander a cheif and the through worst economic situation since the great depression, and to be looking out for the most wealthy and powerful country on earth?
     
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    ...for those who can afford it.


    So you expect NVIDIA/ATI to sell you the most kick-ass graphics card for the least price, but apply different schools of thought when it comes to health-care? The fact that it is expensive doesn't necessarily mean it's the best. "Best" is a very relative term here.
     
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    Um, I don't know who posted that, but Emanuel Kant is a socialist loon.

    A man can only be free when he's free to do as he pleases - so long as his actions do not deprive another of their rights to life, liberty, and property. (Paraphrased from Thomas Jefferson)

    Selfish interests are what drive men to succeed. To excel at what they do. Imagine GOLF if Tiger Woods had no selfish interest....
     
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    yes but you cannot compare Indias health care to the USA if you are poor here you cannot be refused heathcare by law. I know several Indian doctors India is a much poorer country than the USA. It is a very great country and a friend of the USA's but it is much less wealthy.
     
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    Wrong.
    Healthcare in the US came under severe government intervention when the UNIONS (socialist gangs of thugs) demanded more and more things be covered by their "insurance". Even into the late 1960's you could get a house-call from a doctor. No more...Why? Because the unions demanded EVERYTHING be covered by "insurance". WTF? Car insurance does not cover oil changes or car washes, why should "health insurance" cover a checkup??
     
  16. btarunr

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    I don't deny that at all. But ironically, Americans fly down here to get their treatments done at a price we term as fair. Price : Performance ratio ? Why do Americans fly down here when they have the "best" health-care there? Because not all can have access to necessary health-care when they need it.

    Back when I was doing my interns, our hospital management asked us to survey our out-patient dept. to find out what people think about the way the government is making us price our services. It's a regulation. Surprisingly, the average Indian did not find the prices of health-care services pinching (or unreasonable). A surgery is an expensive affair for sure (by local standards), but it's not expensive enough for getting into the 'unreasonable' domain. I don't mean to say our system is the best either, at least it isn't unreasonable.
     
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    Talk to your doctor about this and get back to me see what he thinks about regulation or better yet ask a English or Indian doctor what he thinks. In socialized medicine there is no incentive to develope new drug , get a higher medical degree or develope a new medical technique. Thats why the UK developes alot of drugs and cannot make money in the UK so they sell them here.
     
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    show me your source because thats totally untrue.
     
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    and Ted Turner is better? Hannoi Janes husband who founded CNN. Most normal Americans agree with Rupert Mudock and Fox news is the number one news source in America look it up. Hes a conservative Christian Bizzilion air and I agree with him on most topics.
     
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    How about a fair tax, speaking of fair.
    That will eliminate the IRS, including the penalty's if your late. So all the money you make you keep. That seems fair to me. All you would have is a sales tax. all the other taxes are eliminated. Businesses only have to worry about 1 tax, and that's on what they buy. Now that would also influence SAVING YOUR MONEY!!:rockout:
     
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    how come i can't vote? who closed the poll? :cry:
     
  22. btarunr

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    Vote from the homepage.
     
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    I voted but I keep getting the poll again.
     
  24. btarunr

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    Your vote gets registered from the homepage, one vote per user.
     
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    I did it on the homepage but it still comes back to vote again:confused:

    nvm restarted firefox and it worked
     

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