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Why I'm now an Apple fan...

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by Kantastic, Sep 1, 2012.

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  1. INSTG8R

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    Okay well now your just reaching...You don't walk into an Apple store looking for a Windows Phone now do ya?:rolleyes:
     
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    Where's the Windows brick-and-mortar store? Where's the Samsung brick-and-mortar store? Where's the HTC brick-and-mortar store? They don't exist because there's too much competition amongst them to afford it. What does exist is AT&T, US Cellular, Verizon, and Sprint stores (or providers). They carry an array of competing iOS, Android, and Windows Phone products.
     
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    So you must enjoy taking time from your day to do these things...

    Those combined can be found anywhere. They don't use propitiatory stores, they use every and any store.

    Well of course its relative. That is why you started your thread on your relative appreciation for Apple. I'm just showing you why others would not find your relative enjoyment of replacing broken products as rewarding as you have. And based on the response you had given me that you were 15 minutes away, I proceeded to tell you why it was really attributed to your close proximity.
     
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    Shooting myself in the foot? No. There's nothing wrong with not settling for a perfect unit, and that includes the pettiest of things such as backlight bleeding. I'm doing it too, but at least I know Apple won't blacklist me, take away my Apple account along with my apps, and never sell to me again. They replace it until I'm happy. Model retailer? I would say so.

    But you were able to go to an Apple store and they did (or tried to do it) for no cost. Your sister's Geniuses (AND I NEED TO REITERATE TO OTHERS THE FACT THAT THIS IS THEIR TERMINOLOGY, NOT MINE) just happened to be idiots. Although I'm sure if your sister was a little more adamant on resolving the issue before she left, the Geniuses would have sought out someone more knowledgeable in troubleshooting. Then again, I can't speak for their technical department since, as I've said many times, I have yet to experience it first hand. When I do it may or may not sway my current position, but that will be something time will tell.

    What cons to be exact? And what price am I paying that I wouldn't pay elsewhere? I paid $544 after tax for an iPad with an amazing display (better than the top-tier Asus TF700T's 1200P screen) that makes reading .pdf files for school a breeze, the accessibility of Apple support 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. No waiting for emails, no paying for phone support, no shipping hassles, nothing. I also received a free $50 iTunes/Apps gift card because I'm a student. An Asus TF700T would cost me roughly the same with tax, and even with tax it's the same since I get the $50 Apple gift card.

    A Zenbook Prime is $1000 vs. a Macbook Air for $1100. Sure the Zenbook comes with a 1080P IPS screen, but the Air, again, comes with Apple's convenience and accessibility, an amazing trackpad (that no Windows machine has ever come close to), A REALLY COOL MAGSAFE CHARGER!!! :D, and a much more stable, closed operating system that also manages to automatically sync my files and documents across all my other Apple devices, a headache-less feature that I dearly need for college.

    Jesus Christ what point are you trying to make here? Apple is a 300 billion dollar company, Microsoft is a 230 billion dollar company, and Google is a 200 billion dollar company. They're all more than capable of spitting out retail locations, especially Google since it, like Apple, owns both the hardware and software aspect of its smartphones and can easily source out manufacturers to make laptops to run its Chromium OS. I may be wrong though since I've done no extensive research, but you keep comparing Apple to HTC... how about a business that's actually comparable?

    I can find a Verizon store 10 minutes away from my house and a Best Buy like 20 minutes from my house. Will Verizon have my hypothetical defective Nokia Lumia 900 fixed in (and I'm being generous) a week? Will Geek Squad repair my device for free if it's still under warranty?
     
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    I'm sure a couple of them have the resources to have their own stores. But do they have a enough/diverse products to warrant it?(Samsung comes to mind first they make ALOT more than phones of course)

    I get where your coming from but you can't blame Apple for being the only one to actually DO IT and be successful at it ;)
     
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    Okay guys, it's 5 AM so I'm going to call it quits for the night.

    I'd like to offer a thanks to those who offered constructive arguments for two reasons. The first being that it's always nice to debate with my fellow TPU members on anything and everything, that's what keeps this place so fun and has me coming back day after day.

    But to be honest, although everything I've said is true (including going to Apple and replacing my iPad tomorrow/later today and me being a huge Apple fan now), the second reason I would like to thank everyone is because I made this thread as a personal experiment to test out a writing technique that I learned in English which involves incorporating the conflicting or alternative perspectives of others in my argument(s). I'm sorry if I may have gotten a little harsh, but it's 5 in the morning and I'm running on 8 hours of sleep for the entire week so forgive me if I crossed a line, I get really grumpy when I'm sleep deprived (which is like all the time).

    Thanks to all those who contributed!!!
     
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    I bought a 1440p monitor from green_sum off ebay, 289.99 free ship no tax, guess what? 0 dead pixels and hardly any backlight bleed... lulz

    I don't like Apple. I buy from shady dealers who love me long time right from the first date.
     
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    Well.. hardly any means some right? My current iPad has 4 points of backlight bleed along one side... but it's actually hard to notice unless the lights are off, the brightness is set to high, the background is pitch black, and the iPad is held as a slightly off handle. The difference here is that I'm getting a replacement in the next 12 hours for what others an average consumer would deem to be a totally acceptable iPad.

    OKAY FOREALZ THIS TIME! G'NITE!
     
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    I don't have anything to add, just wanted to say that the discussion is good. I came here expecting a war, but no. Good going guys and gals! :toast:
     
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    Apple only has about a dozen distrinct products (things you can go to a brick and mortar store to buy). Microsoft and Google have at least 50 either directly (e.g. Chrome Book) or through aquisitions (like Motorola).


    Yes, they'll take your defective Lumia 900, copy your files over to another one, and give you that one. They'll then send the defective Lumia 900 in and get reimbursed for it. My dad has done that a LG Quantum at Hills Electronics (which has a contract with AT&T). It actually doesn't matter who made the phone (could be an iPhone for that matter), they handle them all the same. Hills Electronics, Best Buy, Walmart, Circuit City, etc. are manufacturer-neutral. As far as customer/customer service is concerned, the manufacturer doesn't matter. The product is obviously still returned to the manufacturer but none of that involves the customer.

    Geek Squad...it depends on what is wrong. If the product, for example, didn't include a cable, they could give you a cable and pass the cost on to the manufacturer. If it is something they are not equiped to handle, they have to send it in to the manufacturer. Typically, GeekSquad would only be used outside of the standard 30-day warranty where manufacturer is the only option.

    Anyway, I'm done in this thread. I've said what needed to be said.
     
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    This depends on the store I think. I bought a media player for a cousin at a big european retailer, and the player broke within a month. I returned it, they sent it to their shops, confirmed the screen was defective, THEN sent me a new one. Took more than a month. While I agree that Apple service isn't spectacular (compare to the likes of HP's premium offerings), it isn't shabby either. It's convenient, if you happen to live near their stores.
     
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    You're talking about a product that isn't contracted. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, etc. are contract services. They respond very differently in terms of defective products.
     
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    I just learned Apple boys are really really picky. lulz
     
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    Naah, just Kantastic. :p
     
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    What about laptops, desktops, WiFi-only tablets, and monitors?

    I'm an Apple fan for 2 weeks and own 1 apple product. It's an honor to know that I qualify as an Apple "boy". Really though, Apple does charge more than the industry average, partly so they can offer the service they do. I pay for it so why not take advantage of it? :D

    OKAY, I SWEAR, I'M GOING TO SLEEP
     
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    The cons of apple products? Cost if you compare similar specked stuff (retina ipad/MBP are exceptions as they are unique) , lack of features like USB ports on ipad , flash support etc lack of upgradeability and longevity (batteries for iphones, MBP) stuff like oh and that non-standard ports (micro-USB would have been nice)

    Pros somewhat innovative as you can get high res tablet. Replacement service

    The base price isnt that bad on an ipad... but if you want a sim card slot or more than 16gb... its 100$ to double capacity and 150$ for the 3g or 4g wtv
     
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    Sleep, genius.... lol
     
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    Nothing great about the ipad. My ipad crashes alot . In terms of OS its limited . For developer usage its pointless its geared more towards normal consumers for daily stuff like checking mail/watching movies/games . But its silly that its limited to only mp4 and there isnt really a good file management system . Its also hard to upload pictures from the ipad . In the end the plus points are its user friendly and portable .
     
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    While I generally disagree with Ford's general "Anti Apple" stance. He does have a fair point on the Origin of the Apple Store/iTunes beginnings. That's how I ended up getting "sucked in" :eek:

    When my Nokia N95 went wonky I got it back from getting fixed I sold it.

    I decided to try out the "new" HTC phone(can't remember the model) It had Windows Mobile on it. BUT because I'm in Norway the phone is in Norwegian(I'm Canadian) Well this Windows is "chip locked" language wise. "Norwegian Windows" That's IT!. I want English Windows different chip/phone. So Impossible. Sold it the next day. Well my next choice was iPhone 3G. I mean up until then I wouldn't even have Quicktime on my PC's.

    Well like Ford said you NEEDED iTunes to even fire it up. Bang that's it I'm now "chained" to it. Now I'm perfectly happy with my 3G does what I need for a phone. I skipped 3GS, I'm now on 4 and skipping 4S So I'm now well "invested" into Apps and the odd iTunes album purchase so it's hard for me to justify going with another phone. I'm not unhappy with my 4 either really.

    But there ya go I'm an "iPerson" out of convenience mostly :rolleyes:

    :respect: "Apple"
     
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    just so we're clear i don't like or dislike apple as a brand and i don't have anything apple nor do i have any experience in anything apple (except red or green) but to drool, i got better hardware and service, its called WOMAN but then maybe you prefer MAN

    "Apple is excellent. You can buy AppleCare+......"

    i may be wrong and out of this world for saying this, i do live on an island (uk).
    manufacturers generally offer some kind of warranty with their products for certain lengths of time. seems to me as a customer you will pay for something that is already provided. maybe you could look at the terms and condition or the small print.

    "Where would I go if my Asus Transformer tablet was discovered to be defective after the return period? The retailer may or may not take it back, and Asus would have me setting up an RMA over the phone or online, ship it back to them for inspection, then wait for a replacement. I can walk in an Apple store with one iPad and walk out with a replacement in under half an hour"

    if you had stopped and considered what if apple didn't have a retail unit then you might have considered how you might have gone about returning your 3 defective pads

    "At least Apple employs Americans. No accents, no attitudes, no bullshit"

    american english is a accent and maybe your new love is much like you, a racist bastard child

    "People need to raise their standards, cause its low standards that make it easy for companies to get away with the walking all over us"

    this is how you got suckered. many brands use the same tactics as apple you'd (already are in your case) be a fool to fall for it. they threw some glitter in your eyes and voila. apple became the pimp and you became their whore. 3 times no less.
     
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    I never met anyone who waz happy to receive a defective product 3 times and praise the company for their level of "service" :roll:

    Apple customers. :shadedshu

    Use of the term "genius" to describe their techs is demeaning to the people in the world who ACTUALY are fucking geniuses. Just another example of their play on words to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside....

    Posted from my Galaxy s2 :rockout:
     
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    actually im not apple fan, for product i have to say they offer more than other, thats is prestige
    your friends would say wow when you bring apple stuff and maybe thats the most selling point when you choose apple
    i try to separate their product and their attitude, they make good stuff? yes, they have "bad attitude"? yes.
     
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    You know that you can just walk into an Apple store and wait for a Genius, but you have to do exactly that... wait. If you make an appointment there is no waiting. I work for an institution that is a Apple shop, we have two PC workstations, one of which I use for development and another for testing stuff on Windows. For all of the issues that our laptops have had, Apple has been more than happy to fix our machines for us. I also might note that very few of our laptops have experience issues at all (2 out of 40 laptops,) which isn't bad at all.

    So all in all, I like Apple for the products that they release and the ease of use of all of their devices. I don't however like the price associated with their hardware, but when you're not personally buying them, it's a much different world.

    I also might add that using OpenDirectory with OS X has worked great and I would take OS X Server over a Windows Server with Active Directory any day.
     
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    They could be asshats about it, get tired of him. The last issue a lot of people would probably not even notice, and they could draw the line there. But they just keep giving him replacements. What it does say is a) Kantastic is very VERY unlucky, or b) something is off with Apples QA. Maybe a bit of both, i don't know how many people complain about the new iPads so I can't really say anything about that.
     

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