1. Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Windows 7 to Pack Virtual Windows XP

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Apr 27, 2009.

  1. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    if they got the apps custom made, they cant just go online and hit update. they need to go pay the guy to update, if they can even get their hands on him.
     
  2. newtekie1

    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2005
    Messages:
    20,044 (6.15/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,107
    There are ways, especially if you have network drives maps to the host machine, but it is less likely to happen.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2009
    Crunching for Team TPU 50 Million points folded for TPU
  3. iStink

    iStink New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    648 (0.29/day)
    Thanks Received:
    49
    hey i tried running that virtual machine thing but it gets stuck on post. it ID's my mac addr and guid but doesn't get past that. does this just take a really long time or something?

    edit: it said it couldn't find anything to boot with lol i'm dumb. i went into bios and tried setting boot priority but if it can't find anything that won't help will it?
     
  4. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    you need to have a disk in your drive/virtual drive, and then make the virtual machine use that. It will then boot and install windwos through it.

    there buttons at the bottom of the window, right click the CD one and you can bind the VM to a drive on the host OS.
     
  5. iStink

    iStink New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    648 (0.29/day)
    Thanks Received:
    49
    I went through and set one up, made a virtual disc drive file er whatever. I'll run through the wizard again and see if I mucked anything up.
     
  6. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    thats a blank hard drive. you still have to install windows to it!
     
  7. iStink

    iStink New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2008
    Messages:
    648 (0.29/day)
    Thanks Received:
    49
    ah! lol. I selected xp from a list and thought that was all that was needed, turns out its just suggesting settings based on the selection. I'll just read up on this. I'm rushing into it without much thought here.

    ya I'm an idiot dude. I thought this would be like the windows mobile emulator in visual studio where everything is loaded already for you. I dont exactly have an xp disc laying around here at work lol.

    I'll just have to play with it when I get home.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2009
  8. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    what you did was created a virtual machine optimised for XP (HDD size and ram size)
    Thats a fake machine with an empty HDD. Think of it as a brand new PC... it aint gunna do nothing til you stick that XP disk in there and install it.

    lol you did edits while i was posting... 20MB is a tad small to include XP ;)
     
  9. 3870x2

    3870x2

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,875 (2.00/day)
    Thanks Received:
    689
    Location:
    Joplin, Mo
    small amount of customers? USSOCOM pays just under a billion for a single "enterprise" key that can be used on XP and Vista, so that it doesnt try to access the internet to activate the product, sort of pre-activated. We were among those who requested an XP vm, so that many of our current products we use can run without a problem.

    "small amount of customers...."
     
  10. Conti027

    Conti027

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2007
    Messages:
    1,382 (0.49/day)
    Thanks Received:
    92
    Location:
    Edmonds, Washington
    I havent had one problem with skype and ive been using 7 since the beta was out
     
  11. h3llb3nd4

    h3llb3nd4 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    3,323 (1.60/day)
    Thanks Received:
    307
    Location:
    Durban, South Africa
    It rocks when something this awesome gets released:)
    but is sucks when you have to download it:(
     
  12. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    its 20MB! i'm already running it now :D
     
  13. h3llb3nd4

    h3llb3nd4 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2009
    Messages:
    3,323 (1.60/day)
    Thanks Received:
    307
    Location:
    Durban, South Africa
    only 20?!?!?:twitch:
    I thought it would be 700+
     
  14. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    it doesnt include the OS with it!

    edit: the one we're running NOW doesnt include the OS. the one with 7, may. but that'd be weird.
     
  15. newtekie1

    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2005
    Messages:
    20,044 (6.15/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,107
    I'm going to guess the one that ships with Win7 will have a pre-configured XP setup already on it. I don't think it would be hard to fit a full copy of XP on the Win7 DVD, but I could be wrong. It also might ask you to insert a Windows XP CD the first time you start the Virtual PC, and run an automated install off the CD.

    There are a few of things that I still question though:

    1.) How does licensing work? I know that Win7 Ultimate includes a licence for XP Pro, so that wouldn't be an issue, but what about the other versions of Win7. Or is this just going to be a feature of Ultimate?

    2.) Is this actually a new version of Virtual PC, or is it just Virtual PC 2007 re-packaged and included in with Win7? I hope it is a new version, and I hope they have improved it, and added USB support and better hardware integration.

    3.) Will this version of Virtual PC be limitted to just running XP, or will you still be able to configure as many Virtual PCs as you want to install any OS you like?(I have Win3.11, Win98 SE, and XP running right now.)

    4.) How long until we see anti-trust lawsuits?
     
    Crunching for Team TPU 50 Million points folded for TPU
  16. johnnyfiive

    johnnyfiive

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    Messages:
    3,892 (1.63/day)
    Thanks Received:
    876
    Location:
    Tucson, AZ
    Don't forget about hospitals, accounting companies, insurance companies, etc. A lot of specialized applications ARE NOT supported on anything other than Windows XP. By support, it literally means support. If you have an issue with an application and the OS is NOT XP, your not going to get vendor support. I deal with this stuff all the time at the hospital I work at. Aside from that, a lot of the applications we have bought are not designed to work on anything but XP. Even though compatibility mode is available, it doesn't mean the application will magically work.

    We will NEVER go to Vista and we will take a long time to go to Win 7. M$ wants businesses to go to Win 7, thats why they are adding a Virtual XP. Makes sense to me.
     
  17. timta2

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2008
    Messages:
    817 (0.33/day)
    Thanks Received:
    114
    Location:
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA
  18. Polarman

    Polarman New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,627 (0.70/day)
    Thanks Received:
    292
    Location:
    Rimouski
    I'd rather see a Virtual DOS environment so i could play all my oldies without using DosBox.
     
  19. Hayder_Master

    Hayder_Master

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2008
    Messages:
    5,177 (2.18/day)
    Thanks Received:
    638
    Location:
    IRAQ-Baghdad
    :roll: , dumm you talking right , i wish you come to country and see you are absolutely right :banghead:
     
  20. HeadlessChicken New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2009
    Messages:
    62 (0.03/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1
    yeah, like tieing apps to a spicific IE version(or IE period) my mother has a few billing apps like that shes had to abandon due to ms updates killing them and it taking MONTHS for the makers to update their damn programs.......real load of shit if u ask me.......
     
  21. newtekie1

    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2005
    Messages:
    20,044 (6.15/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,107
    Virtual PC allows that, I had Win3.11 installed on top of Dos 6.05(I think it was 6.05). Booted to a DOS prompted and then I had to run the command to boot Windows. Though I lost the virtual HD image when one of my hard drives died, and I've been too lazy to redo it.

    Though installing 98 should give you a fair bit of compatibility with older games.
     
    Crunching for Team TPU 50 Million points folded for TPU
  22. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    the virtual system uses a virtual soundblaster 16, which was definately compatible with most of the DOS games out there.
     
  23. Shadin

    Shadin New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2009
    Messages:
    53 (0.03/day)
    Thanks Received:
    7
    Biggest question in my mind - will this allow older games to play (like Diablo II, NWN) that tend to not like Vista/7?
     
  24. eidairaman1

    eidairaman1

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2007
    Messages:
    13,019 (4.87/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,640
    Those who are able to test it should be able to tell us that, otherwise it will be worth it to keep your old XP/98SE machine around for such games.
     
  25. Mussels

    Mussels Moderprator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    42,380 (11.54/day)
    Thanks Received:
    9,683
    you will have emulated 3D support, so games that require 3D graphics arent going to run well.
     

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guest)

Share This Page