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kgreene

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Video Card(s) 2 Evaga gts 250's in sli
Storage Two 500 gb hdds in raid 0
Display(s) 19" Samsung widescreen 953bw
Case Cooler Master Centurion 5
Audio Device(s) useing onboard audio (Realtek ALC889A)
Power Supply 750 Watt PC Power & Cooling (S75QB)
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I have that case and love it plenty of room to work with.
 
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Motherboard MSI K8N Neo4-F v1.0 (MS-7125) nforce4 sata2 mod, laptop cpu heatpipe copper nb cooler
Cooling akasa evo "blue" + 90mm fan, 2x120mm front, 250mm side, 120mm rear, 120mm in psu, pci slot exhaust.
Memory OCZ Platinum XTC DDR PC3200 4GB(4x1024) @254mhz 3-3-3-8 2T
Video Card(s) sapphire HD3870 512mb GDDR4 vf900cu, several ramsinks on components / nvidia 7300gt 256mb secondary
Storage hitachi 160gb (slightly fried) / hitachi 120gb ATA / Seagate 160gb / 2x ps3 seagate 60gb
Display(s) CTX EX1300F 20" flat CRT, 1280x1024@100hz / 19" benq FP91G X / 19" hanns-g (all free)
Case mesh server/gaming black case, 9x 5.25' drive bays, silvestone auto fan controller
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Power Supply winpower 650w, system draws around 470-500w under load(+all screens)
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Benchmark Scores ~16m trips/sec using mty trip generator. triple monitor gaming using SoftTH. 3840x1024
i might as well post latest from mine . . .
 
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Cooling Corsair H80i v2
Memory Corsair Vengeance 24GB (2x8GB, 2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz
Video Card(s) ASUS ROG-STRIX-RX580-O8G-GAMINGOC
Storage WD Blue 3D NAND 1TB Internal PC SSD
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Case Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow
Audio Device(s) Onboard - Corsair Void Pro Wireless
Power Supply Corsair 850HXi 850W
Mouse Corsair Sabre RGB
Keyboard Corsair K70 LUX RGB
Software Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 Bit
Their not loud in motor noise under normal 12v operation. They are just loud from the air they move. Put one of yours at 5V real quick and you'll see how "loud" 12v operation is.

I would rather have a 1000 rpm option so I could put a couple on my Noctua cause I think they produce good pressure and would be a cheap option to Scythe GTs.

I found that if you don't restrict air for them, the air noise isn't bad at all. But if you say block the intake side with mesh, they make a great noise that's close to that of barely leaving a car window open at 60MPH. :rolleyes:

Plus, I like the amount of air mine move at the current RPM. I have one set up to suck air off the Mobo/CPU area. The second blowing air directly onto my 9500GT. :D
 
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Hurrr the Intel boxed cooler SUCKS. Performance is good even with stock i7 but the noise of the damn thing... :/ (no worries, just temporary thing)

With May Day addition... :)


Obsidian :love:
 

hat

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HammerON

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Duke_GuRu

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Memory 2x2GB OCZ Fatal1ty DDR2 Dual-Channel Kit
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Storage 1x160GB + 1x500GB + 1xTB + 1x500GB External
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I've been watching this thread for over 18 month now and this is the first time i post so here is a pic of the old rig (case is Gigabyte 3D Aurora with Thermaltake Bigwater LC)



and here is a pic of the new one (case is Aerocool RS-9 a sweet deal i got when i was in Thailand)


 

HammerON

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What a cable mess:shadedshu

And a lot of maintenance:cry:

But the "farm":


All i7 920's:)
 

hat

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I love how all the pcs are in the corner where the heater is... :laugh:
 
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I love how all the pcs are in the corner where the heater is... :laugh:
You can turn off the heater... pc alone is enough, sometimes too much :cool:
 

HammerON

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I love how all the pcs are in the corner where the heater is... :laugh:

Those heaters haven't been on since March of '09:roll:
I was able to heat my apartment with crunchers;)
 
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You can turn off the heater... pc alone is enough, sometimes too much :cool:

thats true after a few hours gaming im boiling from my monitor upfront, rig on the right and amp on the left lol
 
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thats true after a few hours gaming im boiling from my monitor upfront, rig on the right and amp on the left lol
I'm willing to bet I've got one of the worst heat problems in my room compared to some of you guys. It's small, almost no ventilation, can't open the windows, PC on 24/7, speakers with hot amps on 24/7 . . . and that's just the basics. If I want to work on any music, then there's a ton of heat from my recording interface and I have to turn down the PC fans and turn off the room fan and the PC is under load and producing even more heat. Playing games has a similar affect, except I can at least keep the fans on. I often have other hot electronics running as well. I'm lucky to feel even a tiny chill in the winter, and in the summer I'm just lucky whenever I don't wake up in the middle of the night 'cause my sheets are soaked in sweat.

EDIT: woot! first post on page 200!
 

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Time to buy a portable air conditioner. :D
 
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They aren't that costly after or before summertime. Although during summertime prepare to be extremely overcharged. :(
 
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I'm willing to bet I've got one of the worst heat problems in my room compared to some of you guys. It's small, almost no ventilation, can't open the windows, PC on 24/7, speakers with hot amps on 24/7 . . . and that's just the basics. If I want to work on any music, then there's a ton of heat from my recording interface and I have to turn down the PC fans and turn off the room fan and the PC is under load and producing even more heat. Playing games has a similar affect, except I can at least keep the fans on. I often have other hot electronics running as well. I'm lucky to feel even a tiny chill in the winter, and in the summer I'm just lucky whenever I don't wake up in the middle of the night 'cause my sheets are soaked in sweat.

EDIT: woot! first post on page 200!

Sounds like you need to watercool your PC :D Less fan noise, moar cooling.
 
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I've already got a modded CoolIT Eliminator. I don't really have the money or patience to set up a custom loop though :ohwell:

To be honest, my cpu, gpu, and hdd temps are pretty nice even in the summer, it's my board that produces the most heat, and then the eliminator pretty much chokes my exhaust.

I've considered getting a small air conditioner, but I don't really know what to look for in one so I've never felt comfortable spending the money for it.
 

brandonwh64

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you can luck up and get a 5200 BTU AC unit from walmart for like 99$ when there having a sale. BTW your combos going out this morn as soon as USPS opens up
 

brandonwh64

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Ok since i sold the 790FX board i have ordered my HTPC case and guys if you need one and are in the US this is the time to get one! This Case is on sale for a CHEAP PRICE! its 39.99 with free shipping and with a MIR of 10$ so you can get it for 29.99 total! I just ordered mine!







Also was thinking of going a nice interior paint job!
 

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i've heard those are some SICK cases. Make sure to take lots of pictures when it comes in!
 

brandonwh64

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Oh i will sniper! im going out to my storage building to see how many cans of paint i have so i can strip it and paint it once it arrives! only concern i just realized is that i dont know if i will get to use my evercool transformer 4 in it?

 

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best part about that case is I'm pretty sure you can use full-height coolers! You just may have to install the heatsink with the motherboard tray installed in the case. it would have been nice if they made the 120 fan removable with the tray on the back of the case...
 

brandonwh64

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best part about that case is I'm pretty sure you can use full-height coolers! You just may have to install the heatsink with the motherboard tray installed in the case. it would have been nice if they made the 120 fan removable with the tray on the back of the case...

NICE! this time i will probly do a push/pull config to get better cooling with the new board! im hoping this new 785 board will OC the 5600+ more
 
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