Monday, July 26th 2010

Heads Roll in Lords of Overclocking Competition Cheating Scandal

Over the last week, the enthusiast community witnessed high drama as some world-renowned overclockers were disqualified from the MSI Lords of Overclocking online competition for engaging in malpractice. Futuremark noticed that some validation entries from top scoring candidates originated from the same setup, confirmed from consistency in Futuremark product key and PCI devices. Top three position-holders at the LoOC competition admitted to using scores generated by a third person, AndreYang. Hiwa, eXtremetweaker.de, KJ and Skinnee were named as disqualified candidates.

What happened next could come as a surprise to some. Major overclocking communities banned these individuals, some permanently, with enthusiast charts aggregator HWBOT handing out a 1 year ban to each of them (although HWBOT wasn't involved in that competition), and XtremeSystems.org issuing lifetime bans. Even as some question the motives behind Andre sharing scores with four people at the same time, the candidates deny that Andre had any intention to profit from it, other than just helping.

eXtremeTweaker.de said “He helped me cause he knew that I worked hard for this competition and cause he knew that i want come back Taipei to see someone...So what do you think is his profite? Again, it is not ok but I cannot see that Andre could gain anything from doing this”. “Andre didn't get one CENT on LOC, he never sold the scores to me or other ppl . As I told before he gave me score on my request. Andre tried to help us”, Hiwa adds.

In several of their statements, the overclockers who sought help from Andre are speaking in his defense, and allege that the bulk of the hostility is towards Andre, when it was they who sought help, and when Andre was not even a participant. "I spent a lot of time in benching but all my scores useless for this competition and i tought i will upload scores with Q3QP but then i talked with Andre and he said he can help me...I know it is not ok and it is only my fault! It is not ok that all people here more against Andre than against us. He benched his own hardware and he also did not compete in this event. So i think the main fault is 100% on our side. What he did is not fair but as i said the main fault is on our side," said Afrokalle (aka eXtremeTweaker.de).

Communities that banned him seem to have reacted very strongly, much to Andre's disgrace, they stress that the sanctity of overclocking competition charts need to be maintained well, and practices such as these prevent candidates who work hard for their achievements from reaching the top spot. "We feel it’s our duty to stand up for the sake of the community and take actions based on what happened in the Lords of Overclocking competition. By sharing scores, you don’t only commit fraud in the competition, but also hurt overclockers from our small community that are trying to win this ticket by working hard to achieve their goal. This is something that no overclocking community, how small it may be, should tolerate," says a HWBOT representative. Fellow overclockers also expressed shock.

However, the quantum of punishment meted out to Andre still hangs in the scales. AndreYang was a leading overclocker from Taiwan, credited with topping the charts. On the other hand, malpractice in an overclocking competition, even with the motives to merely 'help' and not 'profit', is anti-competitive.

Like every competitive sport, overclocking has evolved into professional level, and with it came all the spoils of Pro competition. The competition at the top tier is extremely heated, with competition going beyond just seeing your name on the top. It involves sponsorships and endorsements from hardware manufacturers, some of which even organize competitions like this one.Sources: VR-Zone, HWBOT
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35 Comments on Heads Roll in Lords of Overclocking Competition Cheating Scandal

#1
i nEeD HeLp
i guess people take these kind of contests very seriously
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#2
TheGoat Eater
overclocking101 said:
it doesnt surprise me much tbh, BUT for the number 1 in the world (ANDREyang, up until a few days ago) to sell scores to people is a disgrace. If you have to cheat to win a semi final WTF are you going to do when you are sitting in tapaei at the FINALS! I am a proud overclocker, I dont cheat to win, I dont use ES hardware, and I damn sure aint sponsored, but if someone such as skinnee was willing to do this to get sponsors what does this show about skinnee labs, how do we know he wasnt lying during reveiws to get free things from sponsors?? IMO this not only discredits skinnee and vapor, but skinnee labs as well. Vapor "claims" he "went to sleep" 45 mins before skinnee submited the sold scores, BUT in skinnees first staement at XS he states VAPOR was with him, no where does it say vapor went to bed. IDK it sounds like a bynch of BS to me. and is also shedding light upon the gigabyte event that was won obviously by a hack of some sort that nobody but fugger and vapor know about, because the scores just dont make sense. IDK I'm kind of glad I dont frequent XS anymore at this point
Hmmm - so you are saying that he was competing in this contest so that he could have a working relationship with MSI? Did he buy scores from Andre, or was he given them? I'm not sure if I see your point though with what you seem to be fixating on Vapors sleep habits.... Is he skinnee's keeper, because as adults I was thinking that they would be responsible for their own actions?

I thought you were banned from XS and that is why you don't go back there anymore? Researched the issue and seems you have taken up with RRR so as a place that is obviously at war with XS and spewing hate, why do I take a grain of salt with your views now:confused:

Also its Taipei not tapaei :roll:
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#3
Bundy
TheGoat Eater said:
Hmmm - so you are saying that he was competing in this contest so that he could have a working relationship with MSI? Did he buy scores from Andre, or was he given them? I'm not sure if I see your point though with what you seem to be fixating on Vapors sleep habits.... Is he skinnee's keeper, because as adults I was thinking that they would be responsible for their own actions?

I thought you were banned from XS and that is why you don't go back there anymore? Researched the issue and seems you have taken up with RRR so as a place that is obviously at war with XS and spewing hate, why do I take a grain of salt with your views now:confused:

Also its Taipei not tapaei :roll:
I don't think it matters too much any more what their intentions were. Their reputation is tarnished and much credibility lost.
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#4
Fatal
I use to bench my computer but now just in these forums. Its a shame that any one would cheat but thats how contest go. I guess saying this wouldn't have helped them.

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#5
WarEagleAU
Bird of Prey
Personally, I don't really care. Doesn't affect me, doesn't make me think differently about them as I don't really know them. I think it was wrong, but a lifetime ban from a forum...just crazy to me. However, not my forum, not my rules. Anyways, there apparently are a lot of pissed off folks about this and discussions everyone.

TheGoatEater, I thought that was you they were talking about, but I wasn't too sure. (as far as the chip goes, etc).
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#6
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
WarEagleAU said:
Personally, I don't really care. Doesn't affect me, doesn't make me think differently about them as I don't really know them. I think it was wrong, but a lifetime ban from a forum...just crazy to me. However, not my forum, not my rules. Anyways, there apparently are a lot of pissed off folks about this and discussions everyone.

TheGoatEater, I thought that was you they were talking about, but I wasn't too sure. (as far as the chip goes, etc).
XS is a forum thats heavily centered around crazy overclocking etc. The cheaters were highly respected over there and considered to be some of the best, so when they see something like this crap happen they don't want to associate there names with there forum, so it makes sence imo to ban them. But i am in the same boat as you, i don't know them and i really don't care, but say that to those overclockers out there who are trying there hardest to reach #1 only to have people like Andre lie and cheat his way to that spot, its not right and should not be tolertated all.

It's like looking up to some highly respected athletes for years only to find out they were using the same steroid syringe.
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#7
TheScavenger
CDdude55 said:
...only to have people like Andre lie and cheat his way to that spot, its not right and should not be tolertated all.
Did I miss something? Was Andre caught cheating to get himself to the top ranks?
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#8
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
TheScavenger said:
Did I miss something? Was Andre caught cheating to get himself to the top ranks?
No, but he made sure losers win just so people who were actually deserving #1, 2, 3 couldn't make it. And since he gave his scores to not one but four people makes it look all the more shady.

And even if not for profit, even if Andre himself didn't compete, crippling genuine competition in the overclocking scene is in his long term interests.
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#9
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
TheScavenger said:
Did I miss something? Was Andre caught cheating to get himself to the top ranks?
He was caught cheating trying to move his friends up to the top spots yes, It was more meant as a generalization, people like Andre, the cheaters.

Also andre has done it before, just not in competitions is what im hearing, so yes, he probably has done soemthing to manipulate his way to the top spots at some point in his overclocking escapades.
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#10
TheScavenger
CDdude55 said:
He was caught cheating trying to move his friends up to the top spots yes, It was more meant as a generalization, people like Andre, the cheaters.

Also andre has done it before, just not in competitions is what im hearing, so yes, he probably has done soemthing to manipulate his way to the top spots at some point in his overclocking escapades.
Ahha, its all coming together ;)
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