When we get some in-house benching on the new cards i wanna see then done at high rez, eg 1920x1200 +, thats where ATI really shines compared to nvidia at hi rez + hi quality settings, then lets see how far ahead we get

Shame the card isn't also tested against the X850 and X1950XT for a inter-generation comparison. Helps us know the gains from an upgrade. I couldn't really care if the card is +/- a few % better than the competitions best card. I want to see BIG ++% over the X1950XT to know it was worth the wait.

remmber sometimes ingame settings give diffrent results then driver based settings, this is sometimes better sometimes worse, we will see, really i want 1600x1200 class benches but hey, its early and im quite happy with my current card.

ContactCan i be the first to say that these benchmarks are bullshit?

Its not just HL2, the GTS is scoring FAR below what it should be. 50 FPS in COD2 at only 1280x1024?? Thats crazy. You should be getting that with 16xQAA.

Erm, doesnt seem farfetched to me.

www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/bfg8800gts/6.html

These were posted at Daily Tech today: www.dailytech.com/Overclocking+the+R600/article7044.htm

ContactCan i be the first to say that these benchmarks are bullshit?

Its not just HL2, the GTS is scoring FAR below what it should be. 50 FPS in COD2 at only 1280x1024?? Thats crazy. You should be getting that with 16xQAA.

It pays to read the comments:

The quality settings for the games were as follows:

Call of Duty 2 - Anisotropic filtering, 4xAA (in game), V-Sync off, Shadows enabled, a high number of dynamic lights, soften all smoke edges and an insane amount of corpses.

Company of Heroes - High shader quality, High model quality, Anti-aliasing enabled (in game), Ultra texture quality, high quality shadows, high quality reflections, Post processing On, High building detail, High physics, high tree quality, High terrain detail, Ultra effects fidelity, Ultra effects density, Object scarring enabled and the model detail slider all the way to the right.

F.E.A.R. - 4x FSAA (in game), maximum light details, shadows enabled, maximum shadow details, soft shadows enabled, 16x anisotropic filtering, maximum texture resolution, maximum videos, maximum shader quality.

Half Life 2: Episode 1 - High model detail, high texture detail, high shader detail, reflect all water details, high shadow detail, 4x multi-sample AA (in-game), 16x anisotropic filtering, v-sync disabled, full high-dynamic range.

Pretty much as high as you can crank it.

1/3 way down using a green title

One thing you all have to remember is that AMD/ATI are planning to pull down the prices of GPUs... This GPU wont burn your pocket upon release and it will be cheaper than the 8800s..

If only EVGA also makes ATI cards (don't they?), so I aim for the Trade-in program they offered. But then shortly after getting the new 2900, the 8900 will be out... maybe I'll pass on this.. Anyway, nice benching!

ContactAlright, maybe i should have read the article other than just looking at the pictures.

But the differences in performance are too big in any case!

Everyone has to remmember that we wont know for sure till the card is released.

Say this benchmarks showing true tested results (no points of making this up, right?), 2900 will beat 8800 for sure we're all kind of figured it out long before having the results in today. And soon we will be comparing it with the Geforce 8900 series, and no doubt the results are going to be different. My point here is Nvidia and ATI should use this strategy to make the shows hotter to have more sales, rather than releasing both products at the same time.

Seems to me everyone that has been waiting for this card should be pissed. It is the new flagship card from ATI and it beats the 8800 gts 640 slightly. This makes me wonder is that website biased towards ATI if not why did it not go head to head with a GTX? Or is it about price I got my gts 640 for 350.00 most are under 400 now so big deal its 499 msrp tigerdirect has a gtx for 529.99 Whats up ATI?

or is there a 3900 xtx

Ok I see this is the card that is supposed to be in same class as the gts and its numbers prove its a little better? maybe it will clock like a wild whore

or maby in higher res tests where its not CPU LIMITED it will show its true power, they where limmited to 1280 res due to the monotor on hand, cant test something u cant display guy.

and the xtx will be 8800gtx/8900 class, but as i understand it, thats not due out for a while yet.

and also remmber, amd plans 100% WORKING vista and 2k+ drivers when the card comes out, nvidia has had over 6 months and STILL DOSNT GOT A GOLD LEVEL VISTA DRIVER!!!!!! shows what kinda support your getting from the great nvidia......... you would think they could have a good driver by now....... i mean vista sucks, but they should beable to get a working driver made by now.

everybody i know with an 8800 and vista is pissed, they all admit they "hope they can run dx10 someday" and they all worrie that they payed for a dx10 card that wont be any good in dx10..... FX seirse all over again..........

im sticking with my x1900xtx at 700/1600 at least its drivers are mature oh and i payed 278bucks for it last aug.......hehe

I'm glad to see these benchmarks but as others have said, they've only been done on low res. They are still pretty impressive and I'd choose ATi anyday. A good combination of image quality and performance, which smashes nVIDIA into the ground.

ContactCan i be the first to say that these benchmarks are bullshit?

Its not just HL2, the GTS is scoring FAR below what it should be. 50 FPS in COD2 at only 1280x1024?? Thats crazy. You should be getting that with 16xQAA.

I agree, on my rig at 1600 x 1050 on max everything I am getting 100FPS+ in CSS.

Actually, The more i read it the less genuine it looks... where is "that system" that they mention. The NDA hasnt been lifted yet fyi.

Tatty_OneI agree, on my rig at 1600 x 1050 on max everything I am getting 100FPS+ in CSS.

i run it at 1920x1200 and i get well above 100fps, thats why i was a lill concerned at the scoring on that 2900, and i run everything maxed out...

lol I started HL2 again for the hell of it and was shocked at getting 300fps at points, wow, considering i last played on an x800 card :eek:

Very nice card, and the price aint that steep but lets wait and see what the actual stock price will be on release :laugh: , but nice work AMD/ATI :)

:rockout:

i personaly commend amdti for waiting to relece their cards till the full line is ready and they got somewhat mature driver support, far better then having a card for half a year and still not having proper driver support for it IMHO.

also the fact the whole lines due out at once leads me to belive that we will see better prices allaround, and wont be seeing 2600 cards for the price of x19*0xtx cards!!!! (look back at the x1600/7600 cards,when they hit it was crazy, they where as high priced as an x8*0xt pe, yet gave about 1/3-1/4 the perf!!!!!

SpoonMuffini personaly commend amdti for waiting to relece their cards till the full line is ready and they got somewhat mature driver support, far better then having a card for half a year and still not having proper driver support for it IMHO.

also the fact the whole lines due out at once leads me to belive that we will see better prices allaround, and wont be seeing 2600 cards for the price of x19*0xtx cards!!!! (look back at the x1600/7600 cards,when they hit it was crazy, they where as high priced as an x8*0xt pe, yet gave about 1/3-1/4 the perf!!!!!

I agree but you wont know for sure that the driver support is that good till you can try the drivers on a card, how will you feel if there are driver issues on release of the cards?

i will bitch as much about nvidia and amdti alike, but from what i have seen with the drivers for the current ati cards they are FAR more mature then the nvidia drivers are, hell my buddys quad boot system gets better perf in ogl using his ati card then his nvidia card under vista, xp/2k/2k3 are all about the same for perf, very close with the same settings, but nvidias drivers......well they got issues......the 8800 he has in his other box he gave up on vista with, he stuck in a 7600gt he had and set vista to use it insted of the 8800.....haha

RickyG512which quote i didnt qoute anyone else or did u mean my comment lol

This quote. ::muhahaha::

SpoonMuffini will bitch as much about nvidia and amdti alike, but from what i have seen with the drivers for the current ati cards they are FAR more mature then the nvidia drivers are, hell my buddys quad boot system gets better perf in ogl using his ati card then his nvidia card under vista, xp/2k/2k3 are all about the same for perf, very close with the same settings, but nvidias drivers......well they got issues......the 8800 he has in his other box he gave up on vista with, he stuck in a 7600gt he had and set vista to use it insted of the 8800.....haha

I dont doubt that and again I agree with you but my point was, just before the release of the 8800 the becnhes were looking good, I dont beleive there were any reporting of significant driver issues prior to release (cause NVidia would never tell us they were crap BEFORE release) and then we found out they were crap. I dont actually doubt that ATi will have it sorted and make NVidia's release a laughing stock regarding driver support/issues we just dont know for sure yet......well I dont :D

im thinking nvidias issues are due not just to software like they imply but also due to hardware issues.

think their unified shader design may be having problems with being used in dx10 mode, just seems fishy to me that the card wouldnt have working drivers yet when nvidia is one of the top computer chipset companys on the market and has so much $ to throw at the problem.

seems like they may not want to bother fixing it, i mean shit if they can get it working 1/2 ass like dx9 was on the FX line they can force people to buy the next gen cards like the 8900 or such, ok 1/2 ass dx9 support was being to kind maby 1/1000 support.....it kinda worked.....almost......not really......

SpoonMuffinim thinking nvidias issues are due not just to software like they imply but also due to hardware issues.

think their unified shader design may be having problems with being used in dx10 mode, just seems fishy to me that the card wouldnt have working drivers yet when nvidia is one of the top computer chipset companys on the market and has so much $ to throw at the problem.

seems like they may not want to bother fixing it, i mean shit if they can get it working 1/2 ass like dx9 was on the FX line they can force people to buy the next gen cards like the 8900 or such, ok 1/2 ass dx9 support was being to kind maby 1/1000 support.....it kinda worked.....almost......not really......

I know but many people do not like ATi driver support either and until I see them working on the new cards with smooth Vista compatibility I am not going to praise ATi for getting something right before they actually have got it right. Crap issues aside with support from NVidia for the 8800, they have still got the whole of the market share in this newest generation of cards, when the ATi series cards are FINALLY released, most will move in that direction and then the 8900 series will be out like a week later and the momentum will shift, but once you have your nose in front in this game it's very difficult to be caught, even if the company playing catchup has a more stable product with better support.

ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX, Doomed from the Start

I've just read an article from DailyTech which is titled:
"ATI Radeon HD 2900 XTX, Doomed from the Start"



Link to the article is: www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

It categorically states that the HD2900XTX is NOT what it's made out to be, which conflicts with this article. The benchmarks are certainly not flattering. Obviously the flagship device does not meet anywhere near the performance of the 8800GTX.