btarunrSam Altman, Gregory Brockman, Open AI and its affiliate companies, of breach of founding contract, and a deviation from its founding goal to be a non-profit tasked with the development of AI toward the benefit of humanity.

They have seemingly done this. Breach of charter can be very unpleasant for the managing officers. Elon is quite right to sue for improper actions.

Easy RhinoI really hope people educate themselves on AI so they realize just how harmful it can be. People think that for some reason these advanced math algorithms won't be used for evil.

But if it's really open, then what would stop someone from copying it and using it for evil.

The verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

Why_MeDid you even read the article?

Yes. What I said stands on its own regardless of what is in the article.

Elon Musk is a bad guy. He is a villain. The article highlights his typical spin, but there is no mistake that everything he does is for his best interest. He doesn't care about humanity. He wants this either for the money he can get out of it, or the tech he can get out of it which he will try to turn into money. The only part of humanity he cares about is what humanity thinks about him; that is why he has to resort to being a pathological liar.

Lol, they begged him to stay after the whole Board drama.
He will just leave with his entire team and join MS directly after this.

ty_gerYes. What I said stands on its own regardless of what is in the article.

Elon Musk is a bad guy. He is a villain. The article highlights his typical spin, but there is no mistake that everything he does is for his best interest. He doesn't care about humanity. He wants this either for the money he can get out of it, or the tech he can get out of it which he will try to turn into money. The only part of humanity he cares about is what humanity thinks about him; that is why he has to resort to being a pathological liar.

Then maybe you can explain his purchase of Twitter when he knew he was going to take a loss.

R0H1TThe verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

The verge has gone full woke you know, they are so in MSM pockets. I will lol when they go under like all the other merchants of hate bait.

thesmokingmanThe verge has gone full woke you know, they are so in MSM pockets. I will lol when they go under like all the other merchants of hate bait.

The author of that piece is a lonely single 30 something living in NYC who probably owns a cat. This is what she posted after Elon purchased Twitter.

So thats why it was called "Open" at the first place? Now I understand. Who would have guessed...

I bet he is using this technology in his self driving cars and doesn't want to eventually get sued by Microsoft for using it or have to pay a license fee

R0H1TThe verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

The Verge hilariously embarrassing their silly selves yet again..

Why_MeThen maybe you can explain his purchase of Twitter when he knew he was going to take a loss.

Attention. He talked a big game, riled everyone up, but then realized he was stuck with it after it was too late. He tried to back out, but he got himself on shakey legal ground too early. Folly. He is now suing his legal team for not trying hard enough to get him out of the Twitter deal, or something illogical like that.

Why_MeThe author of that piece is a lonely single 30 something living in NYC who probably owns a cat. This is what she posted after Elon purchased Twitter.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734638450924507301

Being single, 30, or owning a cat doesn't make you wrong.

To be clear, I don't know. I am no lawyer. But I do know that he is a bad guy. Either way, right or wrong, you should argue the content of the article rather than attacking the author.

R0H1TThe verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

At least the pc guide was funny...

R0H1TThe verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

Hi,
Damn the verge really thought that site went to the verge of extinction a while back lol

thesmokingmanThe verge has gone full woke you know, they are so in MSM pockets. I will lol when they go under like all the other merchants of hate bait.

Wow, I havent heard that name "The Verge" for years, a blast from the past.

Dr. DroIt seems that it's become commonplace to hate on successful people and entities, as if the common folk were supposedly paragons of justice and uphold unquestionable moral standards. It makes me sick.

Yea, its pretty annoying as the guy at one point was treated like a real life Tony Stark and now hes the devil and the worst person ever.

R0H1TThe verge's take atm ~
www.theverge.com/2024/3/1/24087937/elon-musk-suing-openai-nightmare-1l-contracts-exam

Well if the verge said it, then it must be true (Sarcasm). LOL

GhostRyderYea, its pretty annoying as the guy at one point was treated like a real life Tony Stark and now hes the devil and the worst person ever.

It was pretty annoying that he was ever treated like such a hero at the same time that his lies were so obviously unbelievable; but now that people have woken up more and more to the truth, I think it is only logical that people treat him like the conman he is. I think things will get worse for him as time goes on. How he has only received small fines so far is beyond me.

ty_gerIt was pretty annoying that he was ever treated like such a hero at the same time that his lies were so obviously unbelievable; but now that people have woken up more and more to the truth, I think it is only logical that people treat him like the conman he is. I think things will get worse for him as time goes on. How he has only received small fines so far is beyond me.

Perhaps because he's not as much of the devilish conman people make him up to be. I'd say amongst the billionaire deities, he's probably the most approachable of them all.

ZoneDymoreminds me a bit of the google "dont be evil" moto

That was always subjective, and held no merit. Google could've kept to the motto, and still performed actions that others would consider despicable - they simply didn't consider their actions 'evil', thus holding to their motto.

No one should've taken that motto seriously. Ever.

ADB1979"Money" is simply a common thing for people to use to buy and sell a variety of different goods and services. Before "Money", people would have to trade physical goods or trust a promise. You try buying a pair of shoes with a bucket of fish and see how far you get...

Seriously, try it, have a friend with you videoing the whole thing, upload it to YouTube and drop the link here, I would love to see it. If they don't go for the trade with a bucket of fish option, you can simply tell them that they are horrible Human beings because they are selling those shoes instead of simply giving them away, that always works for me.!

Trading is still a thing with money.

If I go to the store, an item I want has some associated value in the respective form of currency. In other words, the store wants money in exchange for the item, in which case ownership is transferred and the item now belongs to the individual that picked it up. The store traded the item for money. We don't call it "trading". We call it "purchasing", but trading is still what is occurring.

Dr. DroPerhaps because he's not as much of the devilish conman people make him up to be. I'd say amongst the billionaire deities, he's probably the most approachable of them all.

But he is a conman. Devilish is your description, but conman can't be argued. I am not aware of any billionaire deities, but any who supposedly exist aren't the subject of this topic.

SpaceX rockets are not human rated, but are operating at a comparable cost to the Shuttle which was human rated. That's progress? We had a successful rocket stage retro landing demonstration 30 years prior by a different group of people. The concept isn't new and the solution isn't new. It hasn't ever been proven to be economically viable. The engines and stages are minimally "reusable" where the inspection and repair cost is about the same as manufacturing cost. Payload reduction more than offsets any supposed cost benefits (even if they could figure out how to reuse them more affordably). We were supposed to have SpaceX on Mars years ago. What happened? False hype. Where is the fun mars mission with entertainers and fine dining? False hype. Where are the multiple rocket trips per day to the other side of earth? False investment claims. They are highly subsidized, so it is impossible to make good comparisons, but it is pretty clear that they aren't saving us money, especially when the majority of their payload is their own product which us taxpayers are funding.

Why did he leave PayPal?

Why was he kicked off the board of directors at Tesla and fined $10 million?

What did he say about those fake solar roof tiles that he claimed were installed and claimed were a working product? Was that false advertising? Why did it take so long for the tiles to actually be on the market, and look so different than the advertised 'working' tiles?

What about the fake 4 minute Tesla battery swap demonstrations? Were they false advertising and stock hype?

What about the robo taxi software that was definitely coming out 4 years ago which made it "financial suicide" not to order a Tesla? Was that false advertising and stock hype?

What about the solar-powered rapid charging stations? Where are they? What kind of bump did that give to their share price?

What about the car that would smart summon across America? Was he purposely lying in order to increase share prices?

What about the full self-driving videos which employees later admitted were fake. Was that intentional fraud?

What about the hyperloop? Did he know that it was technologically impossible to do what he suggested? Did he purposely create hype for a failed 100-year-old concept just for the funding opportunity and attention? Was that hype? Where did that funding go?

What about the truck which was "this is something we can do today", years ago? Was that stock hype? It was "financial suicide" to continue to invest in rail. What happened? People pre-ordered, waited for the release 4 years late, and now the company says that they are keeping the trucks for internal company use only. Where did the pre-order money go? Who wants a truck anyway which hauls 1/4 to 1/2 as much payload, 1/4 the distance, and takes 32 times longer to "refuel" for the same distance (best case)? Where is the smart driving? Where is the convoy system? Where are all the features which would be "financial suicide" not to have? Where are the charging stations and guaranteed electric price?

The list goes on and on. Look at any presentation, see what he says, and see what the follow-through is. He never delivers. Every time the stock shoots up from hype, but the product never arrives. It can't last forever. He is a conman. The bumps in stock are getting smaller and smaller. People are catching on.

The boring company is non-competitive. Tesla is up against steep competition at a better price. The hyperloop is dead. SpaceX is struggling. And Musk is losing money like crazy after purchasing Twitter and running it into the ground. Twitter isn't a left versus right thing, unless you make it that. Fundamentally, the twitter advertiser thing is caused by a display of a mess of contradictory statements made by poor leadership (Musk), chaos, heavy-handed actions and statements which make your employees hate you and leave, and the advertisers reacting to it all by exiting because they are afraid of massive and rapid instability affecting their brand image. People want to make it a left vs right thing and say that advertisers bailed due to their political affiliations, but really the only reason left vs right is continuing to be pushed so hard is because that is the only thing keeping twitter relevant. Twitter is purposely fanning the flames.


The only hope for justice for Musk misleading people and capitalizing at people's expense, is that he loses enough power that people are no longer scared of holding him accountable. He is not someone to idolize. He is a symbol of corruption and intentional abuse. He is a villain.



I will be surprised if he doesn't eventually go to prison for securities fraud once it all comes crashing down.

ty_gerAttention. He talked a big game, riled everyone up, but then realized he was stuck with it after it was too late. He tried to back out, but he got himself on shakey legal ground too early. Folly. He is now suing his legal team for not trying hard enough to get him out of the Twitter deal, or something illogical like that.

This, ladies & gentlemen, is called spin-doctoring. It's as transparent as it is daft as a brush.

ty_gerBeing single, 30, or owning a cat doesn't make you wrong.

You missed the point.

ty_gerTo be clear, I don't know.

THAT is obvious.

ty_gerI am no lawyer.

Also obvious.

ty_gerBut I do know that he is a bad guy.

No, you don't. You know exactly squat, unless you're claiming to know him personally?

ty_gerEither way, right or wrong

Nice qualifier...

ty_geryou should argue the content of the article rather than attacking the author.

Wrong, we can do both. The reason? The author of that article is such a narrowminded imbecile that anything they state is something to be taken in complete contrast, openly mocked and disregarded entirely. "The Verge" and Kristen Radtke are both known to be so ridiculously out of touch with reality that expecting anything truthful or accurate from them is a demonstration of true misplaced faith.

Stop defending the undefendable, you're making yourself look silly...

ty_gerBut he is a conman. Devilish is your description, but conman can't be argued. I am not aware of any billionaire deities, but any who supposedly exist aren't the subject of this topic.

SpaceX rockets are not human rated, but are operating at a comparable cost to the Shuttle which was human rated. That's progress? We had a successful rocket stage retro landing demonstration 30 years prior by a different group of people. The concept isn't new and the solution isn't new. It hasn't ever been proven to be economically viable. The engines and stages are minimally "reusable" where the inspection and repair cost is about the same as manufacturing cost. Payload reduction more than offsets any supposed cost benefits (even if they could figure out how to reuse them more affordably). We were supposed to have SpaceX on Mars years ago. What happened? False hype. Where is the fun mars mission with entertainers and fine dining? False hype. Where are the multiple rocket trips per day to the other side of earth? False investment claims. They are highly subsidized, so it is impossible to make good comparisons, but it is pretty clear that they aren't saving us money, especially when the majority of their payload is their own product which us taxpayers are funding.

Why did he leave PayPal?

Why was he kicked off the board of directors at Tesla and fined $10 million?

What did he say about those fake solar roof tiles that he claimed were installed and claimed were a working product? Was that false advertising? Why did it take so long for the tiles to actually be on the market, and look so different than the advertised 'working' tiles?

What about the fake 4 minute Tesla battery swap demonstrations? Were they false advertising and stock hype?

What about the robo taxi software that was definitely coming out 4 years ago which made it "financial suicide" not to order a Tesla? Was that false advertising and stock hype?

What about the solar-powered rapid charging stations? Where are they? What kind of bump did that give to their share price?

What about the car that would smart summon across America? Was he purposely lying in order to increase share prices?

What about the full self-driving videos which employees later admitted were fake. Was that intentional fraud?

What about the hyperloop? Did he know that it was technologically impossible to do what he suggested? Did he purposely create hype for a failed 100-year-old concept just for the funding opportunity and attention? Was that hype? Where did that funding go?

What about the truck which was "this is something we can do today", years ago? Was that stock hype? It was "financial suicide" to continue to invest in rail. What happened? People pre-ordered, waited for the release 4 years late, and now the company says that they are keeping the trucks for internal company use only. Where did the pre-order money go? Who wants a truck anyway which hauls 1/4 to 1/2 as much payload, 1/4 the distance, and takes 32 times longer to "refuel" for the same distance (best case)? Where is the smart driving? Where is the convoy system? Where are all the features which would be "financial suicide" not to have? Where are the charging stations and guaranteed electric price?

The list goes on and on. Look at any presentation, see what he says, and see what the follow-through is. He never delivers. Every time the stock shoots up from hype, but the product never arrives. It can't last forever. He is a conman. The bumps in stock are getting smaller and smaller. People are catching on.

The boring company is non-competitive. Tesla is up against steep competition at a better price. The hyperloop is dead. SpaceX is struggling. And Musk is losing money like crazy after purchasing Twitter and running it into the ground. Twitter isn't a left versus right thing, unless you make it that. Fundamentally, the twitter advertiser thing is caused by a display of a mess of contradictory statements made by poor leadership (Musk), chaos, heavy-handed actions and statements which make your employees hate you and leave, and the advertisers reacting to it all by exiting because they are afraid of massive and rapid instability affecting their brand image. People want to make it a left vs right thing and say that advertisers bailed due to their political affiliations, but really the only reason left vs right is continuing to be pushed so hard is because that is the only thing keeping twitter relevant. Twitter is purposely fanning the flames.


The only hope for justice for Musk misleading people and capitalizing at people's expense, is that he loses enough power that people are no longer scared of holding him accountable. He is not someone to idolize. He is a symbol of corruption and intentional abuse. He is a villain.



I will be surprised if he doesn't eventually go to prison for securities fraud once it all comes crashing down.

...as shown by this drivel.

ty_gerBut he is a conman. Devilish is your description, but conman can't be argued. I am not aware of any billionaire deities, but any who supposedly exist aren't the subject of this topic.

SpaceX rockets are not human rated, but are operating at a comparable cost to the Shuttle which was human rated. That's progress? We had a successful rocket stage retro landing demonstration 30 years prior by a different group of people. The concept isn't new and the solution isn't new. It hasn't ever been proven to be economically viable. The engines and stages are minimally "reusable" where the inspection and repair cost is about the same as manufacturing cost. Payload reduction more than offsets any supposed cost benefits (even if they could figure out how to reuse them more affordably). We were supposed to have SpaceX on Mars years ago. What happened? False hype. Where is the fun mars mission with entertainers and fine dining? False hype. Where are the multiple rocket trips per day to the other side of earth? False investment claims. They are highly subsidized, so it is impossible to make good comparisons, but it is pretty clear that they aren't saving us money, especially when the majority of their payload is their own product which us taxpayers are funding.

Why did he leave PayPal?

Why was he kicked off the board of directors at Tesla and fined $10 million?

What did he say about those fake solar roof tiles that he claimed were installed and claimed were a working product? Was that false advertising? Why did it take so long for the tiles to actually be on the market, and look so different than the advertised 'working' tiles?

What about the fake 4 minute Tesla battery swap demonstrations? Were they false advertising and stock hype?

What about the robo taxi software that was definitely coming out 4 years ago which made it "financial suicide" not to order a Tesla? Was that false advertising and stock hype?

What about the solar-powered rapid charging stations? Where are they? What kind of bump did that give to their share price?

What about the car that would smart summon across America? Was he purposely lying in order to increase share prices?

What about the full self-driving videos which employees later admitted were fake. Was that intentional fraud?

What about the hyperloop? Did he know that it was technologically impossible to do what he suggested? Did he purposely create hype for a failed 100-year-old concept just for the funding opportunity and attention? Was that hype? Where did that funding go?

What about the truck which was "this is something we can do today", years ago? Was that stock hype? It was "financial suicide" to continue to invest in rail. What happened? People pre-ordered, waited for the release 4 years late, and now the company says that they are keeping the trucks for internal company use only. Where did the pre-order money go? Who wants a truck anyway which hauls 1/4 to 1/2 as much payload, 1/4 the distance, and takes 32 times longer to "refuel" for the same distance (best case)? Where is the smart driving? Where is the convoy system? Where are all the features which would be "financial suicide" not to have? Where are the charging stations and guaranteed electric price?

The list goes on and on. Look at any presentation, see what he says, and see what the follow-through is. He never delivers. Every time the stock shoots up from hype, but the product never arrives. It can't last forever. He is a conman. The bumps in stock are getting smaller and smaller. People are catching on.

The boring company is non-competitive. Tesla is up against steep competition at a better price. The hyperloop is dead. SpaceX is struggling. And Musk is losing money like crazy after purchasing Twitter and running it into the ground. Twitter isn't a left versus right thing, unless you make it that. Fundamentally, the twitter advertiser thing is caused by a display of a mess of contradictory statements made by poor leadership (Musk), chaos, heavy-handed actions and statements which make your employees hate you and leave, and the advertisers reacting to it all by exiting because they are afraid of massive and rapid instability affecting their brand image. People want to make it a left vs right thing and say that advertisers bailed due to their political affiliations, but really the only reason left vs right is continuing to be pushed so hard is because that is the only thing keeping twitter relevant. Twitter is purposely fanning the flames.


The only hope for justice for Musk misleading people and capitalizing at people's expense, is that he loses enough power that people are no longer scared of holding him accountable. He is not someone to idolize. He is a symbol of corruption and intentional abuse. He is a villain.



I will be surprised if he doesn't eventually go to prison for securities fraud once it all comes crashing down.

You know as well as I that, especially in the technology business, not everything goes precisely to plan or precisely to schedule.

We all know Musk is an unique, eccentric individual. But I, for one, don't believe he is an evil man and nothing that he's done so far indicates that he has anything even close to the nefarious intentions that most other billionaire individuals and their clans have displayed to some extent or another thus far. He lives his life to its fullest and genuinely has some crazy ideas that might as well just work, and I don't see how is it a bad thing to spend your personal fortune on crazy innovations or things that he considers to be cool and/or believes on. Naturally, he doesn't have the smarts to pull it all by himself, no one would have, but he does have the resources to get those who do to work for his interests. Neuralink being the crazy innovation, SpaceX being the dream, Tesla being the cool, X being his hunger for ideas. Even ventures like the Hyperloop or The Boring Company, while bearing little practical fruit, have served their purpose to some extent.

I get it that you dislike the guy, he obviously ain't perfect, but I don't think it's the time to be upset about what he's been doing just yet. Many of his ventures, past and future will fail but many others, but I believe the most important ones (specifically: Neuralink and SpaceX) have a future that I sincerely believe that burn bright like the Sun. Brain-computer interfaces that work seamlessly fall well within the realm of science fiction and will be a fundamental step towards transhumanism (I genuinely believe that eventually we'll achieve something like we see in Cyberpunk 2077, with humanity being able to replace and upgrade body parts and cognitive capabilities at will as well as greatly extend our lifespan), and SpaceX needs no introduction: it is one of humanity's gates to space, the final frontier. Where no man has gone before.

Personally, I don't find it too difficult to identify with Elon's thought process. I guess this is my way of saying I share a similar brand of "autism", I just don't have his intense drive, finances, or momentum... or you better believe I'd be spending most of my fortune much in the same way, in pursuit of the unusual and the strange.

bugTaken at face value, the claims seems to stand.
As for Microsoft not being mentioned... why would they be? This is about OpenAI doing an about-face.

Maybe this could be settled by renaming to OpenishAI?

OpenWallet seems more apt

Seeing a strange but unmistakable likeness of the crypto boom here. Oh shit, we can put EVEN MORE GPUS to work now. Let's go! Every new chatbot is the ICO. 'Oops, this one generates just black dudes' 'Here's a new one'! 'AI can also shoot missiles, so you need it too!' 'You're not safe without AI'... Etc.

Dr. DroYou know as well as I that, especially in the technology business, not everything goes precisely to plan or precisely to schedule.

We all know Musk is an unique, eccentric individual. But I, for one, don't believe he is an evil man and nothing that he's done so far indicates that he has anything even close to the nefarious intentions that most other billionaire individuals and their clans have displayed to some extent or another thus far. He lives his life to its fullest and genuinely has some crazy ideas that might as well just work, and I don't see how is it a bad thing to spend your personal fortune on crazy innovations or things that he considers to be cool and/or believes on. Naturally, he doesn't have the smarts to pull it all by himself, no one would have, but he does have the resources to get those who do to work for his interests. Neuralink being the crazy innovation, SpaceX being the dream, Tesla being the cool, X being his hunger for ideas. Even ventures like the Hyperloop or The Boring Company, while bearing little practical fruit, have served their purpose to some extent.

I get it that you dislike the guy, he obviously ain't perfect, but I don't think it's the time to be upset about what he's been doing just yet. Many of his ventures, past and future will fail but many others, but I believe the most important ones (specifically: Neuralink and SpaceX) have a future that I sincerely believe that burn bright like the Sun. Brain-computer interfaces that work seamlessly fall well within the realm of science fiction and will be a fundamental step towards transhumanism (I genuinely believe that eventually we'll achieve something like we see in Cyberpunk 2077, with humanity being able to replace and upgrade body parts and cognitive capabilities at will as well as greatly extend our lifespan), and SpaceX needs no introduction: it is one of humanity's gates to space, the final frontier. Where no man has gone before.

Personally, I don't find it too difficult to identify with Elon's thought process. I guess this is my way of saying I share a similar brand of "autism", I just don't have his intense drive, finances, or momentum... or you better believe I'd be spending most of my fortune much in the same way, in pursuit of the unusual and the strange.

I think Elon is a forever in beta guy much like Chris Roberts. Visionary, but hopeless at sustaining his envisioned future.
Also the man has mental issues and now a drug problem. The trajectory hasn't been great. Power and money corrupts.
So far the only real project he's delivered is Tesla. Now, sustaining Tesla is another chapter. A lot of changes have already landed there, and they're slowly drifting away from promises made because the business can't sustain it.

SpaceX isn't sustainable either, its heavily subsidized and would not exist without US gov. Neuralink is a fairy tale so far.

Vayra86OpenWallet seems more apt

Seeing a strange but unmistakable likeness of the crypto boom here. Oh shit, we can put EVEN MORE GPUS to work now. Let's go! Every new chatbot is the ICO. 'Oops, this one generates just black dudes' 'Here's a new one'! 'AI can also shoot missiles, so you need it too!' 'You're not safe without AI'... Etc.


I think Elon is a forever in beta guy much like Chris Roberts. Visionary, but hopeless at sustaining his envisioned future.
Also the man has mental issues and now a drug problem. The trajectory hasn't been great. Power and money corrupts.
So far the only real project he's delivered is Tesla. Now, sustaining Tesla is another chapter. A lot of changes have already landed there, and they're slowly drifting away from promises made because the business can't sustain it.

SpaceX isn't sustainable either, its heavily subsidized and would not exist without US gov. Neuralink is a fairy tale so far.

Plausible, but that's also a reflection of people being used to quick rewards. When you venture the unknown, the low-hanging fruit will exhaust rapidly, and then you're left with something like this situation.

Dr. DroPlausible, but that's also a reflection of people being used to quick rewards. When you venture the unknown, the low-hanging fruit will exhaust rapidly, and then you're left with something like this situation.

Oh yeah, and we, humanity, still need people like these to progress. Every time its like learning how to walk. Lots of falling involved.