newconroerActually that's about all it will do. Until ATi's architecture truly changes, and changes for the better, they'll never really hold the crown ever again.

I love how the box says 'Prepare to Dominate.' That's the same nonsense one of the ATi director's spouted a few months ago in regards to the 280.

So Nvidia sits on their hands, waits, pops out a 55nm with possibly DDR5 (though not necessary), and has the last laugh again.

ATi caught up this time around, (at the cost of cutting corners) but they're far from ahead.


This card serves one purpose for gamers - it will drive prices down a bit. That's all.

well, with this card ati owns the best-performer. so the performance crown belongs to ati now. Ati's architecture seems to be excellent atm, while nvidia continues rebranding the same cards, maybe with some die shrink. where is the nonsense. i may understand your being an nvidia fan (i am not an ati one, i only read the facts), but this shouldnt effect your view of the facts.

Simply put, Nvidia is screwed lol.

PCpraiser100Simply put, Nvidia is screwed lol.

Far from it just means they have to get of there asses again.

Odin Eidolonwell, with this card ati owns the best-performer. so the performance crown belongs to ati now. Ati's architecture seems to be excellent atm, while nvidia continues rebranding the same cards, maybe with some die shrink. where is the nonsense. i may understand your being an nvidia fan (i am not an ati one, i only read the facts), but this shouldnt effect your view of the facts.

Both sides are guilty of rebranding over the years, and nothing has been "brand new" since the R600 or G80 in all reality, just adding more shaders, smaller fabs and higher speeds, along with some different or faster memory. That is fact...ATI is getting their architecture down after a 3rd generation of it, which is good, keep it rolling guys! But I still find it interesting when my 64SP 9600GT can compete with a 320SP 3870, or my 192SP GTX260 can compete with a 800SP 48xx card...I said COMPETE not beat for the sake of less flamage. I'm sure in the future that both will have so many SP's, it'll just be rediculous to count them anyways.

This card should be a very strong force to be reckoned with, does it make me feel bad about my GTX 260? Not in the slightest...I'm happy with my single GPU $230US beast. Will the 55nm GTX's take over again? Hard to say, I guess it depends on how much more speed is extracted from them, what more can be had from driver optimizations, and such.

I've had quite a few ATI and NV products over the years, only recently have I returned to the NV product line-up, with 9600GT's being able to compete with 3870's in GAMING performance, and GTX260's being faster than initially credited for on top of kickass oc-ability, I feel I made the right decision for me...which is all that truly matters right? Make the decision that works for you, your budget and your needs, do the research and pay attention to the good and bad, figure out what you want to deal with and what you dont'.

I am not a fan of these dual GPU cards, I've said it many times, but it's still cool they're being produced for guys that want them, and hey if it's a good and competetive price, why not take advantage of it? As long as you either don't mind, already have a more powerful PSU that meets requirements, and it can fit in your rig without much for issues, might as well go for it!

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KursahBoth sides are guilty of rebranding over the years, and nothing has been "brand new" since the R600 or G80 in all reality, just adding more shaders, smaller fabs and higher speeds, along with some different or faster memory. That is fact...ATI is getting their architecture down after a 3rd generation of it, which is good, keep it rolling guys! But I still find it interesting when my 64SP 9600GT can compete with a 320SP 3870, or my 192SP GTX260 can compete with a 800SP 48xx card...I said COMPETE not beat for the sake of less flamage. I'm sure in the future that both will have so many SP's, it'll just be rediculous to count them anyways.

This card should be a very strong force to be reckoned with, does it make me feel bad about my GTX 260? Not in the slightest...I'm happy with my single GPU $230US beast. Will the 55nm GTX's take over again? Hard to say, I guess it depends on how much more speed is extracted from them, what more can be had from driver optimizations, and such.

I've had quite a few ATI and NV products over the years, only recently have I returned to the NV product line-up, with 9600GT's being able to compete with 3870's in GAMING performance, and GTX260's being faster than initially credited for on top of kickass oc-ability, I feel I made the right decision for me...which is all that truly matters right? Make the decision that works for you, your budget and your needs, do the research and pay attention to the good and bad, figure out what you want to deal with and what you dont'.

I am not a fan of these dual GPU cards, I've said it many times, but it's still cool they're being produced for guys that want them, and hey if it's a good and competetive price, why not take advantage of it? As long as you either don't mind, already have a more powerful PSU that meets requirements, and it can fit in your rig without much for issues, might as well go for it!

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We need these graphics cards for power users as they act as a reference for ATI and Nvidia to create powerful Graphics cards that consume less power. I call it Bang-for-Watt.

KursahBoth sides are guilty of rebranding over the years, and nothing has been "brand new" since the R600 or G80 in all reality, just adding more shaders, smaller fabs and higher speeds, along with some different or faster memory. That is fact...ATI is getting their architecture down after a 3rd generation of it, which is good, keep it rolling guys! But I still find it interesting when my 64SP 9600GT can compete with a 320SP 3870, or my 192SP GTX260 can compete with a 800SP 48xx card...I said COMPETE not beat for the sake of less flamage. I'm sure in the future that both will have so many SP's, it'll just be rediculous to count them anyways.

This card should be a very strong force to be reckoned with, does it make me feel bad about my GTX 260? Not in the slightest...I'm happy with my single GPU $230US beast. Will the 55nm GTX's take over again? Hard to say, I guess it depends on how much more speed is extracted from them, what more can be had from driver optimizations, and such.

I've had quite a few ATI and NV products over the years, only recently have I returned to the NV product line-up, with 9600GT's being able to compete with 3870's in GAMING performance, and GTX260's being faster than initially credited for on top of kickass oc-ability, I feel I made the right decision for me...which is all that truly matters right? Make the decision that works for you, your budget and your needs, do the research and pay attention to the good and bad, figure out what you want to deal with and what you dont'.

I am not a fan of these dual GPU cards, I've said it many times, but it's still cool they're being produced for guys that want them, and hey if it's a good and competetive price, why not take advantage of it? As long as you either don't mind, already have a more powerful PSU that meets requirements, and it can fit in your rig without much for issues, might as well go for it!

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Agreed! (but you cant compare different sp number in different architectures) :toast: