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[Deleted member 67555]

In America its a social thing prices have to be low and quantity has to be high aka all you can eat cheap fuel (gas/petrol diesel) ect

Just for shits and giggles, What did you mean by that?

 

[erocker]

So whats the point in the big argument?

What argument?

 

[KainXS]

Activision is a U.S based developer and due to the current economic situation in america, they are going to increase their game prices in other countries to get by I think, EU is in a better economic situation than U.S. right now, so they are going to capitalize on that and increase their game prices in EU countries, but if they increase prices in the U.S. people more than likely wouldn't buy their games since people are low on cash right now due to our new money tossing president.

This is how I see it as.

he means that americans get everything cheap and he is kinda right, and I live in america and I say that, I have been to EU and things aren't cheap pretty much everthing cost more.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Just for shits and giggles, What did you mean by that?

God Bless America. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition!

 

[erocker]

Activision is a U.S based developer and due to the current economic situation in america, they are going to increase their game prices in other countries to get by I think, EU is in a better economic situation than U.S. right now, so they are going to capitalize on that and increase their game prices in EU countries.

This is how I see it as.

he means that americans get everything cheap and he is kinda right, and I live in america and I say that, I have been to EU and things aren't cheap pretty much everthing cost more.

Yes, and the US is slowly catching up. Soon we will be right up in line with what they are paying. We were paying less due to having a more simple government. That is changing. When a government gets larger and requires more money, they not only take the money from it's people but from the companies that reside within it's borders which means less money for us and less money for the companies. A normal citizen needs to work more to make more money. A company needs to charge more to make more money. Average Joe and average company = lose. Government gets more money.

V V V V V V V
Government taking more money from companies = inflation.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Yes, and the US is slowly catching up. Soon we will be right up in line with what they are paying. We were paying less due to having a more simple government. That is changing. When a government gets larger and requires more money, they not only take the money from it's people but from the companies that reside within it's borders which means less money for us and less money for the companies. A normal citizen needs to work more to make more money. A company needs to charge more to make more money. Average Joe and average company = lose. Government gets more money.

And thats just before inflation hits

 

[Deleted member 67555]

55 euros= 90 U.S. dollars
and the only difference in price is due to individual Govt's Tarrifs, companies make up the difference in price to = the same profit It's your Govt's fault you pay higher price's

In America its a social thing prices have to be low and quantity has to be high aka all you can eat cheap fuel (gas/petrol diesel) ect

Yeah

 

[MilkyWay]

Just for shits and giggles, What did you mean by that?

I didnt mean any offence but that's how it is, people in America want low prices and i used the all you can eat as a reference a bad tacky and maybe a tad offensive.

They dont stand for overcharging like gas prices they are lower than most places yet they wont stand for it if it goes up.

Over here in UK prices go up we never do anything about it, we silently complain so to say.

The cheapest you can find apple products is in the USA. Its more than a regulation and tax thing to me as an outsiders view.

Cars are cheaper too i think its about what you find acceptable or are willing to pay over the manufacturing cost. While everything in the USA is cheaper the profits are also larger strange one lol.

Sorry if i offended anyone on this thread, im done im not arguing over every point because there is no point to the arguing nothing happens people still believe whatever they want to. The best thing i can do is just post updates and let everyone decide themselves what they want to do.

EDIT: if you take away inflation, currency exchange rate and tax Europeans still pay on average more for just about anything.

 

[boomstik360]

I didnt mean any offence but that's how it is, people in America want low prices and i used the all you can eat as a reference a bad tacky and maybe a tad offensive.

They dont stand for overcharging like gas prices they are lower than most places yet they wont stand for it if it goes up.

Over here in UK prices go up we never do anything about it, we silently complain so to say.

The cheapest you can find apple products is in the USA. Its more than a regulation and tax thing to me as an outsiders view.

Cars are cheaper too i think its about what you find acceptable or are willing to pay over the manufacturing cost. While everything in the USA is cheaper the profits are also larger strange one lol.

Sorry if i offended anyone on this thread, im done im not arguing over every point because there is no point to the arguing nothing happens people still believe whatever they want to. The best thing i can do is just post updates and let everyone decide themselves what they want to do.

So you just let the companies and corporations walk all over you? Interesting....

You shouldn't let that happen

 

[erocker]

If your government is taxing you beyond your means do something about it. Getting upset on a tech forum about it will do nothing. Having yourself and others with your ideals complain to your government on a large scale will help. It may be best to put your efforts into that. This is why we don't pay a lot in the US. Unfortunately more and more US citizens are becoming complacent with their government and this is changing for the worse.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I didnt mean any offence but that's how it is, people in America want low prices and i used the all you can eat as a reference a bad tacky and maybe a tad offensive.

They dont stand for overcharging like gas prices they are lower than most places yet they wont stand for it if it goes up.

Over here in UK prices go up we never do anything about it, we silently complain so to say.

The cheapest you can find apple products is in the USA. Its more than a regulation and tax thing to me as an outsiders view.

Cars are cheaper too i think its about what you find acceptable or are willing to pay over the manufacturing cost. While everything in the USA is cheaper the profits are also larger strange one lol.

Sorry if i offended anyone on this thread, im done im not arguing over every point because there is no point to the arguing nothing happens people still believe whatever they want to. The best thing i can do is just post updates and let everyone decide themselves what they want to do.

EDIT: if you take away inflation, currency exchange rate and tax Europeans still pay on average more for just about anything.

No offense taken, but here is a break down of that... Here in the U.S. we let products into our borders without tax, which leads to lower product prices which equals more jobs overseas which equals less jobs here which equals 55 Euros to 90 U.S. dollars..........Our lower prices put me out of work...

 

[MilkyWay]

So you just let the companies walk all over you? Interesting....

most of the time, we dont do much about industry closing either, like if a factory is closing we just let it happen we dont try fight the job cuts to much

British just dont go to the same place again or not buy the product again, we never give a reason or complain

like if my broadband was shit i would either put up with it or move provider i wouldnt complain to get a better connection, just theoretically speaking as if i wasnt getting the intended service

its like they didnt do something with the meal properly we dont ask for a new meal we just move it to the side and dont go back to that restaurant

word of mouth is another thing we rely on, we seem to tell people about our complaints to our friends in the hope they avoid a product or place, we never complain directly to the company to improve it or correct something

 

[DrPepper]

So you just let the companies and corporations walk all over you? Interesting....

You shouldn't let that happen

Yeah we don't like to kick up a fuss.

 

[Easy Rhino]

in general , in the USA, when a company raises the price of a product, consumers can either pay the higher price or search for a cheaper alternative. complaining about it wont get you far. UNLESS of course you are talking about healthcare and other things people believe they have a right to. that is why when you said you want to boycott a company for raising its prices i had to respond to remind you that software developers are not your slaves or slaves to society that have to create video games and sell them at a price that people want. the irony is consumers DO control the prices of goods through demand. so boycotss are fine and dandy, but dont demonize a company for pursing profits. they dont turn around and demonize you for being a cheap bastard.

 

[boomstik360]

If your government is taxing you beyond your means do something about it. Getting upset on a tech forum about it will do nothing. Having yourself and others with your ideals complain to your government on a large scale will help. It may be best to put your efforts into that. This is why we don't pay a lot in the US. Unfortunately more and more US citizens are becoming complacent with their government and this is changing for the worse.

Very well spoken erocker, you took the word right out of my mouth, or well brain

 

[erocker]

most of the time, we dont do much about industry closing either, like if a factory is closing we just let it happen we dont try fight the job cuts to much

But why is that factory closing in the first place? It's possible due to the fact it can't be profitable anymore due to the government wanting a piece of the pie that is too big. That government also wants pie from all of the factory workers. In turn the factory doesn't make enough money and the workers in the factory aren't making enough money.

No offense taken, but here is a break down of that... Here in the U.S. we let products into our borders without tax, which leads to lower product prices which equals more jobs overseas which equals less jobs here which equals 55 Euros to 90 U.S. dollars..........Our lower prices put me out of work...

Don't worry, more regulation will take care of that. With new environmental regulation things being shipped to the US will become less profitable due to restrictions. Shipping burns greenhouse gasses. Outsourcing of manufacturing will be going away and hopefully more things will be manufactured in the US once again. Sounds somewhat good in principal...

 

[TheMailMan78]

I didnt mean any offence but that's how it is, people in America want low prices and i used the all you can eat as a reference a bad tacky and maybe a tad offensive.

They dont stand for overcharging like gas prices they are lower than most places yet they wont stand for it if it goes up.

Over here in UK prices go up we never do anything about it, we silently complain so to say.

The cheapest you can find apple products is in the USA. Its more than a regulation and tax thing to me as an outsiders view.

Cars are cheaper too i think its about what you find acceptable or are willing to pay over the manufacturing cost. While everything in the USA is cheaper the profits are also larger strange one lol.

Sorry if i offended anyone on this thread, im done im not arguing over every point because there is no point to the arguing nothing happens people still believe whatever they want to. The best thing i can do is just post updates and let everyone decide themselves what they want to do.

EDIT: if you take away inflation, currency exchange rate and tax Europeans still pay on average more for just about anything.

Its a simple principle man. Supply and demand. America is the largest consumer market in the world. We don't care who has to suffer as long as we get a good deal. EVERY country is like this but doesn't have the purchase power we have. You should consider yourselves blessed in some ways. To be "someone" here you have to have "something". Therefor you buy a lot of shit you dont need. The more you buy the cheaper goods go down. Want to break that habit? Go Socialist. Then you dont have anything worth a damn but hey neither does anyone else. Plus prices are sky high

 

[MilkyWay]

No offense taken, but here is a break down of that... Here in the U.S. we let products into our borders without tax, which leads to lower product prices which equals more jobs overseas which equals less jobs here which equals 55 Euros to 90 U.S. dollars..........Our lower prices put me out of work...

really so by you getting cheaper goods it means that more jobs are going over seas? i always thought that moving jobs to cheaper countries was a global issue?

like a lot of it jobs are going to the rapidly expanding indian it sector, china is cheap for manufacturing
a lot of countries offer incentives to get companies to move there

im sure tho that what your saying is a major factor i understand


wait so because that US prices are increasing do you think its effecting global prices?

i hope that activison is only doing this for profit otherwise we might see other products rising in cost

 

[TheMailMan78]

really so by you getting cheaper goods it means that more jobs are going over seas? i always thought that moving jobs to cheaper countries was a global issue?

like a lot of it jobs are going to the rapidly expanding indian it sector, china is cheap for manufacturing
a lot of countries offer incentives to get companies to move there

im sure tho that what your saying is a major factor i understand


wait so because that US prices are increasing do you think its effecting global prices?

i hope that activison is only doing this for profit otherwise we might see other products rising in cost

BY GOLY HES GOT IT!

Yeah man. EVERYTHING is about to go up.

 

[Easy Rhino]

i hope that activison is only doing this for profit otherwise we might see other products rising in cost

they are doing it for profit because they know things are going to get worse.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

in general , in the USA, when a company raises the price of a product, consumers can either pay the higher price or search for a cheaper alternative. complaining about it wont get you far. UNLESS of course you are talking about healthcare and other things people believe they have a right to. that is why when you said you want to boycott a company for raising its prices i had to respond to remind you that software developers are not your slaves or slaves to society that have to create video games and sell them at a price that people want. the irony is consumers DO control the prices of goods through demand. so boycotss are fine and dandy, but dont demonize a company for pursing profits. they dont turn around and demonize you for being a cheap bastard.

I know i'm going off subject..But if you are suggesting Health care should only be for those who can afford to pay for it oh We got a problem! I don't believe in Plastic surgery for all But basic vaccinations to slow the spread of illness's and basic health care should be covered by the government PERIOD. Profiting off of HUMAN life is WRONG, And i don't mean Games and Mcdonalds I mean life and Death, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SUGGEST AN ANSWER TO OUR HEALTH CARE PROBLEM...ELIMINATE PROFIT FROM HEALTH CARE....THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO....SET UP A SCIENCE AGENCY BASED OFF NASA TO DO ALL MEDICAL RESEARCH...AND BRING THE REST OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IN ON IT JUST LIKE NASA DOES AND EVERYONE COULD BE HEALTHY

 

[Easy Rhino]

I know i'm going off subject..But if you are suggesting Health care should only be for those who can afford to pay for it oh We got a problem! I don't believe in Plastic surgery for all But basic vaccinations to slow the spread of illness's and basic health care should be covered by the government PERIOD. Profiting off of HUMAN life is WRONG, And i don't mean Games and Mcdonalds I mean life and Death, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SUGGEST AN ANSWER TO OUR HEALTH CARE PROBLEM...ELIMINATE PROFIT FROM HEALTH CARE....THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO....SET UP A SCIENCE AGENCY BASED OFF NASA TO DO ALL MEDICAL RESEARCH...AND BRING THE REST OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IN ON IT JUST LIKE NASA DOES AND EVERYONE COULD BE HEALTHY

in a perfect world, sure. but in reality no government program on this scale is ever successful. healthcare cannot be a human right because that would mean that healthcare providers are slaves to humanity.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

in a perfect world, sure. but in reality no government program on this scale is ever successful. healthcare cannot be a human right because that would mean that healthcare providers are slaves to humanity.

OR, highly respected civil servants,remember our govt is OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE,TO PROTECT FROM ALL INVADERS FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC

 

[Easy Rhino]

OR, highly respected civil servants,remember our govt is OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE,TO PROTECT FROM ALL INVADERS FOREIGN OR DOMESTIC

remmeber that in a free society you cannot vote away other peoples freedoms.

 

[MilkyWay]

ah but over here analysts say that the recession has plateau!
they say it wont get worse but it will stay like this for a while

me personally i think its going to get better but slowly and it will never be as cheap as it once was not that it was ever really damn cheap in the UK

how can you say they are doing it for profit because they know its going to get worse? i mean come on there profits rose again as it said in an article i linked, plus its only that company thats doing it others would want to do the same if you where right

healthcare providers? not if its all publicly owned like the NHS, but to create a healthcare system in the US like that would take forever and then the rich people would still get private lol

is it a right to healthcare only if your society says so, nothing truly is a right its just codes and laws written by society

nobody could afford healthcare in the UK before the creation of the NHS, improving health also meant that people could work better and longer increasing productivity that was totally off topic lol but ill take a risk for a short random spam history lesson

 

[TheMailMan78]

I know i'm going off subject..But if you are suggesting Health care should only be for those who can afford to pay for it oh We got a problem! I don't believe in Plastic surgery for all But basic vaccinations to slow the spread of illness's and basic health care should be covered by the government PERIOD. Profiting off of HUMAN life is WRONG, And i don't mean Games and Mcdonalds I mean life and Death, AND I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SUGGEST AN ANSWER TO OUR HEALTH CARE PROBLEM...ELIMINATE PROFIT FROM HEALTH CARE....THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO....SET UP A SCIENCE AGENCY BASED OFF NASA TO DO ALL MEDICAL RESEARCH...AND BRING THE REST OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IN ON IT JUST LIKE NASA DOES AND EVERYONE COULD BE HEALTHY

Wee! I'll poop rainbows in your honor!

 

[MilkyWay]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/kotick-earned-USD15-million-in-2008-forbes

Kotick earned $15 million in 2008

Activision Blizzard's president and CEO Robert Kotick earned USD 15 million in 2008, according to a Forbes profile.

The business website lists a breakdown of Kotick's compensation for 2008, which incorporates a salary of USD 899,560, a bonus of USD 5 million and option awards totalling almost USD 6 million. Overall, his earnings amounted to USD 14,950,102.

During a Q2 earnings conference call last week, the exec joked he would like to see game prices set even higher than the GBP 55 price point the next Call of Duty game will release at.

The publisher reported higher-than-expected revenues of over USD 1 billion for the three months to the end of June this year.

 

[KainXS]

remmeber that in a free society you cannot vote away other peoples freedoms.

theres no such thing as freedom, no such thing,

 

[Easy Rhino]

ah but over here analysts say that the recession has plateau!
they say it wont get worse but it will stay like this for a while

it depends on who you talk to! beware politicaly motivated economists.

how can you say they are doing it for profit because they know its going to get worse? i mean come on there profits rose again as it said in an article i linked, plus its only that company thats doing it others would want to do the same if you where right

high profits are rarely sustainable, especially in a recession. there are sooo many reasons why activision could be seeing high profits. most likely it is new management and a better business model. without a full detailed background of activision it is impossible to know. raising prices could be an indicator of market adjustment. because of the recession more and more people are spending less on vacations and more on things like going to the movies, and spending money on video games.

healthcare providers? not if its all publicly owned like the NHS, but to create a healthcare system in the US like that would take forever and then the rich people would still get private lol

is it a right to healthcare only if your society says so, nothing truly is a right its just codes and laws written by society

nobody could afford healthcare in the UK before the creation of the NHS, improving health also meant that people could work better and longer increasing productivity that was totally off topic lol but ill take a risk for a short random spam history lesson

i'll say this and be done with it. the reason healthcare is expensive in the US is because of government interference which began in the 1960s. there was a time in the US that healthcare was affordable for everyone.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

remmeber that in a free society you cannot vote away other peoples freedoms.

DO YOU MEAN FREEDOMS LIKE *LIFE* LIBERTY AND *JUSTICE* FOR ALL
I hear what you are saying but how free are you when you are sick and have to rely on someone with a cure that could save your life, how free are you then, i guess free enough to die huh, if you can't pay for it, where is the Justice in that
Nobody would be forced to be a doctor it would be a choice like those who decide to be politicians and they would be given a rather nice chunk of change to do it, and if we had a medical science foundation built under the NASA model it could be done quite effortlessly, I have a rather smart cousin who used to work at the Glenn research facility in Cleveland b4 it shut down now he lives in Hampton Virginia and still works for NASA making $190,000 a year with the best health care you could imagine, He could go work in the private sector for more money, it is his choice as a free citizen, but he likes to do less restricted research. According to him in the private sector you are given a project to look for answers from A-E where as in NASA they want A-Z, which he says "Is like looking for treatment instead of a cure" and i believe that's exactly it, profit before all else.If money is the main goal, money we will find, and that's the problem, Private companies don't want a cure they want a treatment, and that;s dragging us all down