• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Radeon HD 5870 X2 Pictured

Joined
Jun 18, 2008
Messages
356 (0.06/day)
Processor AMD Ryzen 3 1200 @ 3.7 GHz
Motherboard MSI B350M Gaming PRO
Cooling 2x Dynamic X2 GP-12
Memory 2x4GB GeIL EVO POTENZA AMD PC4-17000
Video Card(s) GIGABYTE Radeon RX 560 2GB
Storage Samsung SSD 840 Series (250GB)
Display(s) Asus VP239H-P (23")
Case Fractal Design Define Mini C TG
Audio Device(s) ASUS Xonar U3
Power Supply CORSAIR CX450
Mouse Logitech G500
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K65
Software Windows 10 Pro (x64)
Give it a while, and case designers will start manufacturing their products with long-ass graphics cards in mind. Silverstone's SG01-F and SG02-F are good examples... It's an mATX design with compatibility for cards up to 12" long.



Ooooooh that takes me back... In a gut-wrenching kind of way.
 

zads

New Member
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
66 (0.01/day)
Location
San Jose, Ca
Processor Q9450 @ 3.2 Ghz, 1.225V
Motherboard ASUS P5K-VM
Cooling Xigmatek HDT-S1283
Memory 6GB DDR2-800
Video Card(s) Nvidia 8800GS 384MB
Storage 32GB SSD and 500GB HDD
Display(s) Dual 22" Samsung LCDs
Case Antec Mini P180 Black
Power Supply 600W Modular; Ultra Products
well, You forgetting that we have better pays than usa.

When my education is done i get
3500+ euro's a month is surely nothing i complain about ;)
Currently at 1800 though :p

Its more expensive here, okey, we earn more, okey, diffrence = we can afford more in most countries, depending on what country and state we are comparing..

What are you studying/becoming?
That's about average for starting Electrical Engineering salary in the states.

Well, the problem about lenght is indeed a serious issue.
I don't give a damn about the 5870X2, but the 5870 is undisputablly too long.
Btw, the get a bigger case logic only works, because you are living in the USA where producing waste is a right by law almost. :slap:
The flat I am living in Hong Kong costed $8000HK thats $1000 per square feet, now getting a new case if fine, but getting a new fat is not fine. :shadedshu
....

Huh? You live in a flat that's only 8 sq ft?? That's some tight dimensions.
Do you sleep standing up? ;)
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,883 (0.76/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) InnoCN 27M2V
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
Well in fact there is no need to complain. If you think there is such a problem with the length then dont buy it. Simple as that. :rolleyes:
Nobody is forcing you to buy the card OR upgrade your case.
If I think there is a problem I speak out, not hiding it or blindly accepting anything they dump on me.
Freedom of speech it is.
 

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
Well, the problem about lenght is indeed a serious issue.
I don't give a damn about the 5870X2, but the 5870 is undisputablly too long.
Btw, the get a bigger case logic only works, because you are living in the USA where producing waste is a right by law almost. :slap:
The flat I am living in Hong Kong costed $8000HK thats $1000 per square feet, now getting a new case if fine, but getting a new flat is not fine. :shadedshu

Most importantly, these cards are well over the limit of CEB boards (dual cpu boards) which is 10.5", ATi can't force their customers to get new cases everytime they release a new card.
At lease, nV manage to keep their cards at 10.5" at all times.
Long ass card is long ass, no matter you an fit it or not.
People complain when there is a need to complain.
Is the card long? Yup. Do some people need to get a larger case to support it? Oh yeah. Is this card necessary to run any particular game? Nope.

So now explain to me how ATI is "forcing" you to buy anything when a 3870 will run any game out right now just fine? This is a top end GPU my friend. A luxury component. No one "needs" this to run anything. I mean ATI isn't China. They're not forcing you to do anything.

Like what I did there? ;)
 

newfellow

New Member
Joined
Aug 28, 2009
Messages
314 (0.06/day)
System Name ID
Processor Q9450 ~3.74Ghz
Motherboard ASUS-P5E
Cooling Air
Memory G.Skill CL4-8GB
Video Card(s) ATI/Geforce 5850/9800
Storage A-lot
Display(s) BenQ G2400WT
Case 900
Audio Device(s) Shitty ASUS FX;P
Power Supply OCZ GXS 850W
Software -
Benchmark Scores too many machines to spec
It's just funny people keeps saying this card is huge. I mean seriously it's only 11.1inc / 28.5cm Any basic Antec case squeezes easily 31cm in the slot just checked my box. Hell on drivebay little forward and it'll do easy up 32-33cm and even looks hell slot nicer than on stock.

:nutkick:
 

EarlZ

New Member
Joined
Jan 10, 2006
Messages
339 (0.05/day)
Processor Intel Core i7 2600K @ 4.8Ghz
Motherboard Gigabyte P67A-UD4-B3 Rev1.1
Cooling Noctua D14
Memory 4GB G.Skill 9-10-9-27-1T 2133Mhz
Video Card(s) GTX580 1.5Gb
Storage 2x Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
Display(s) Samsung T220
Case Lian Li PC-P80
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Extreme Music
Power Supply Silverstone Strider Gold 850
Software Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Those cards are still "too short" on my LianLi PC-80 :D
 
Joined
Jan 9, 2008
Messages
324 (0.05/day)
Location
Bucharest ROMANIA
System Name Blue Monolith (working on name)
Processor AMD Phenom II 1090T... on H2O
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7
Cooling EK-Supreme with 2 radiators for the moment ~ 22 celsius
Memory Kingston HyperX 2x2GB DDR3 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 KHX1600C8D3K2
Video Card(s) hd 6870 Sapphire 1GB
Storage 8x 500GB Seagate Barracuda on LSI controller
Display(s) Samsung 206BW
Case Aplus Black Pearl WCR with water cooling mounts :)
Audio Device(s) Creative X-FI Platinum Fatal1ty Champion
Power Supply Gigabyte ODIN GT-800 (that with software)
Software Windows 7 Ultimate
Benchmark Scores WORKING IN PROGRESS P10464 in VANTAGE(this is the old score)
nice..... :) so we have the 5870x2... let see the 6 /8 core cpu from amd :D
 

HellasVagabond

New Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2007
Messages
3,376 (0.54/day)
Location
Athens , GREECE
System Name SECONDARY RIG / PRIMARY RIG / THIRD RIG
Processor i920@3.6GHz / i920@4GHz / AMD Phenom II 955
Motherboard Gigabyte EX58-UD4P / Gigabyte EX58-UD7 / ASRock 890GX3
Cooling CoolIT Domino ALC / Thermalright Silver Arrow / Thermalright VenomousX
Memory 12GB DDR3 @ 1800MHZ / 6GB DDR3 @ 2250MHZ / 4GB DDR3 @ 1600MHZ
Video Card(s) XFX ATI RADEON 5970 / GAINWARD NVIDIA GTX 580 / 2xGEFORCE GTX295
Storage 1550GB / 6TB SAS - SSD / 160GB SSD
Display(s) NEC 26WUXi2 / NEC 3090WQXi / SONY 55A2000 (1080P 55inch)
Case COOLER MASTER HAF 932 / COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 / ANTEC DARKFLEET DF85
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Music / SoundBlaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Pro / Realtek Onboard
Power Supply CWT 1200W / Enermax Revolution 85+ 1250W / Ikonik Vulcan 1200W
Software Windows 7 x64 / Windows 7 x64 / Windows 7 x64
remember that this card isn't much better than gtx295, with 1 year min. in the market and "old" technology.
i learn something with ati, never belive what they benchs shows before launch the product. happens with 2*** series, 3*** series and phenom 1 amd processors


Actually it is not better at all from the GTX295 which is natural since it is a single core vs dual core...
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,883 (0.76/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) InnoCN 27M2V
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
Is the card long? Yup. Do some people need to get a larger case to support it? Oh yeah. Is this card necessary to run any particular game? Nope.

So now explain to me how ATI is "forcing" you to buy anything when a 3870 will run any game out right now just fine? This is a top end GPU my friend. A luxury component. No one "needs" this to run anything. I mean ATI isn't China. They're not forcing you to do anything.

Like what I did there? ;)
At higher resolutions the 3870 is not fine at all.
Try to run GTA VI on a 3870 or RE5 for that matter, it is simply not fine anymore.
The RV670 with 320SPs isn't that much of a monster, it performs somewhere between the 9800GT and the 9600GT.
It is at default with 512MB memory, it easily runs out of frame buffer at resolution of cheap 16:9 monitors.

There is no point in bringing in the 3870, it is pretty much out of stock and it is a waste of energy.
ATi isn't China, because China right now isn't forcing people do do anything. :nutkick:

Is this card and the 5870 necessary to be so long? Nope.
There really need to be a reasonable limit on the length of components, after all it is a component which is suppose to fit in a standard case.
Your case can fit it, does not automatically means this card should be excessively long.

Everytime I am stating the fact, there is always the Red Army that is chanting "ATi is always right!" after me.
 
Last edited:

WarEagleAU

Bird of Prey
Joined
Jul 9, 2006
Messages
10,812 (1.67/day)
Location
Gurley, AL
System Name Pandemic 2020
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 "Gen 2" 2600X
Motherboard AsRock X470 Killer Promontory
Cooling CoolerMaster 240 RGB Master Cooler (Newegg Eggxpert)
Memory 32 GB Geil EVO Portenza DDR4 3200 MHz
Video Card(s) ASUS Radeon RX 580 DirectX 12 DUAL-RX580-O8G 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video C
Storage WD 250 M.2, Corsair P500 M.2, OCZ Trion 500, WD Black 1TB, Assorted others.
Display(s) ASUS MG24UQ Gaming Monitor - 23.6" 4K UHD (3840x2160) , IPS, Adaptive Sync, DisplayWidget
Case Fractal Define R6 C
Audio Device(s) Realtek 5.1 Onboard
Power Supply Corsair RMX 850 Platinum PSU (Newegg Eggxpert)
Mouse Razer Death Adder
Keyboard Corsair K95 Mechanical & Corsair K65 Wired, Wireless, Bluetooth)
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
That thing is HUGE and making some of them "special" porn stars green with envy. Seriously, they should shorten it or go dual pcb like Nvidia used to do. I don't think it would even fit in my HAF 932. I do like it thought.
 

imperialreign

New Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2007
Messages
7,043 (1.15/day)
Location
Sector ZZ₉ Plural Z Alpha
System Name УльтраФиолет
Processor Intel Kentsfield Q9650 @ 3.8GHz (4.2GHz highest achieved)
Motherboard ASUS P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi; X38 NSB, ICH9R SSB
Cooling Delta V3 block, XPSC res, 120x3 rad, ST 1/2" pump - 10 fans, SYSTRIN HDD cooler, Antec HDD cooler
Memory Dual channel 8GB OCZ Platinum DDR3 @ 1800MHz @ 7-7-7-20 1T
Video Card(s) Quadfire: (2) Sapphire HD5970
Storage (2) WD VelociRaptor 300GB SATA-300; WD 320GB SATA-300; WD 200GB UATA + WD 160GB UATA
Display(s) Samsung Syncmaster T240 24" (16:10)
Case Cooler Master Stacker 830
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro PCI-E x1
Power Supply Kingwin Mach1 1200W modular
Software Windows XP Home SP3; Vista Ultimate x64 SP2
Benchmark Scores 3m06: 20270 here: http://hwbot.org/user.do?userId=12313
That thing is HUGE and making some of them "special" porn stars green with envy. Seriously, they should shorten it or go dual pcb like Nvidia used to do. I don't think it would even fit in my HAF 932. I do like it thought.

I partially agree . . . TBH, I don't think a second PCB would be the best idea (considering, sandwiching two PCBs together like nVidia had can create a major heat concern, even more-so when we consider the heat output of these GPUs), but some experimentation wouldn't hurt . . .


Really, though, I think the big thing that needs to be addressed is form factor. We've practically outgrown the ATX form - look at the size of our GPUs, our CPU coolers, the increased demands we place on our NSB/SSB (which would benefit more from being closer together) . . . I mean, sure, our cases can easily fit the motherboard, but the amount of other components your average rig runs quickly cuts off airflow inside a case . . . not to mention the relative size of components is making it harder and harder to install devices.

Just throwing out an idea I think everyone overlooks . . .
 
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
3,937 (0.64/day)
System Name Widow
Processor Ryzen 7600x
Motherboard AsRock B650 HDVM.2
Cooling CPU : Corsair Hydro XC7 }{ GPU: EK FC 1080 via Magicool 360 III PRO > Photon 170 (D5)
Memory 32GB Gskill Flare X5
Video Card(s) GTX 1080 TI
Storage Samsung 9series NVM 2TB and Rust
Display(s) Predator X34P/Tempest X270OC @ 120hz / LG W3000h
Case Fractal Define S [Antec Skeleton hanging in hall of fame]
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar Xense with AKG K612 cans on Monacor SA-100
Power Supply Seasonic X-850
Mouse Razer Naga 2014
Software Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores FFXIV ARR Benchmark 12,883 on i7 2600k 15,098 on AM5 7600x
Seriousley why do people constantly insist on converting something from euros to USD, I guarantee it wont be the same conversion, the US always gets better prices than europe, on everything time and time again, yet people always come out with the same crap :rolleyes:

On topic, that is a monster, imagine 2 of those in quad crossfire, you could power a small town with the amount of power that would require, and prices will drop when gt300 comes out. I will wait for a £150 HD 5850 and be happy :D

And time and time again, Europeans, particularly the English, complain about the US supposedly getting everything cheaper.

What does it matter how much Americans pay? They work, six dollars an hour, you work, six pounds an hour. Americans pay 500 for a card, you pay 500 for a card.

It's so irrelevant what the actual markup is between cost and sell-out. Do you sit around and do that with everything, milk, shoes, televisions? Would you refuse to buy a Ferrari because in reality they didn't cost anywhere near 400,000 to build?

Just be happy that they actually sell them IN Europe, and not force you to buy them from the end-user side, THEN ship them overseas.
 

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
At higher resolutions the 3870 is not fine at all.
Try to run GTA VI on a 3870 or RE5 for that matter, it is simply not fine anymore.
The RV670 with 320SPs isn't that much of a monster, it performs somewhere between the 9800GT and the 9600GT.
It is at default with 512MB memory, it easily runs out of frame buffer at resolution of cheap 16:9 monitors.

There is no point in bringing in the 3870, it is pretty much out of stock and it is a waste of energy.
ATi isn't China, because China right now isn't forcing people do do anything. :nutkick:

Is this card and the 5870 necessary to be so long? Nope.
There really need to be a reasonable limit on the length of components, after all it is a component which is suppose to fit in a standard case.
Your case can fit it, does not automatically means this card should be excessively long.

Everytime I am stating the fact, there is always the Red Army that is chanting "ATi is always right!" after me.

:laugh: The "Red Army"? You're the one from China. Anyway man what you are stating isn't fact. Its opinion.
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,883 (0.76/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) InnoCN 27M2V
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
:laugh: The "Red Army"? You're the one from China. Anyway man what you are stating isn't fact. Its opinion.
It is a fact that these cards exceed the limit of the form factors, even longer than workstation boards. :slap:
 
Joined
Apr 26, 2009
Messages
513 (0.09/day)
Location
You are here.
System Name Prometheus
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5950x
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix B550-I Gaming
Cooling EKWB EK-240 AIO D-RGB
Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 4070Ti Ventus 3X OC 12GB
Storage WD Black SN850 1TB + 1 x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB
Display(s) DELL U4320Q 4K + Wacom Cintiq Pro 16 4K
Case Jonsbo A4 ver1.1 SFF
Audio Device(s) ASUS SupremeFX S1220A
Power Supply Corsair SF750 Platinum SFX
Mouse Logitech Pro Wireless
Keyboard Vortex Race 3 75% MX Brown
Software Windows 11 Pro x64
Everyone is looking at the length of the card, when the real interesting bit is the distance between the GPU's. It looks like there isn't enough space for a PLX chip between them. Any chance the connectivity is built in?

The number one reason for the long card is cooling. The frickin' chip gets hot. The cooling surface area is at least twice as it was in the previous generation. For both single GPU and dual GPU cards.

The second reason is marketing. Gamers need to show off their long... cards. The good people at ATI/AMD got that.

About the price. All fanboys should wake up. ATI/AMD is not here to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside... they are here to make money. You think they are making the prices go down in the market, but in reality they are doing what they can just to survive.
 
Joined
Sep 11, 2007
Messages
305 (0.05/day)
Location
Ambugaton
Processor Intel i5 12600KF
Motherboard MSI PRO Z690-P DDR4, Socket 1700
Cooling MSI Ventus AIO
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB, DDR4, 3200MHz
Video Card(s) MSI VentusRTX 3060 12Gb
Storage XPS 1TB | 2x Kingston 2TB Sata | Sinology 4TB (Raid1) |
Display(s) 24" Dell U2417H
Case Msi Mpg Odin
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC887 + Microlab Solo 6C
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME TX-750, 80
Mouse Razer
Keyboard Razer
Software Windows 10 x64
Hehe, I am glad that my CM Stacker 810 T01 (after 5 years of service!!) can still cope with everything that I throw at it. :D Best damn investment I ever made.

In fact ATi give me your best shot.. after theoretically installing this I still have like ~9 inches left to spare:p

Note to those that complain about standards....This card is still within regular E-ATX (13") maximum length.
 
Last edited:

TheMailMan78

Big Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
22,599 (3.68/day)
Location
'Merica. The Great SOUTH!
System Name TheMailbox 5.0 / The Mailbox 4.5
Processor RYZEN 1700X / Intel i7 2600k @ 4.2GHz
Motherboard Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 / Gigabyte Z77X-UP5 TH Intel LGA 1155
Cooling MasterLiquid PRO 280 / Scythe Katana 4
Memory ADATA RGB 16GB DDR4 2666 16-16-16-39 / G.SKILL Sniper Series 16GB DDR3 1866: 9-9-9-24
Video Card(s) MSI 1080 "Duke" with 8Gb of RAM. Boost Clock 1847 MHz / ASUS 780ti
Storage 256Gb M4 SSD / 128Gb Agelity 4 SSD , 500Gb WD (7200)
Display(s) LG 29" Class 21:9 UltraWide® IPS LED Monitor 2560 x 1080 / Dell 27"
Case Cooler Master MASTERBOX 5t / Cooler Master 922 HAF
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec / SupremeFX X-Fi with Bose Companion 2 speakers.
Power Supply Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750PX 750W Platinum / SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold
Mouse SteelSeries Sensei (RAW) / Logitech G5
Keyboard Razer BlackWidow / Logitech (Unknown)
Software Windows 10 Pro (64-bit)
Benchmark Scores Benching is for bitches.
It is a fact that these cards exceed the limit of the form factors, even longer than workstation boards. :slap:

If your case cannot fit this card may I suggest some kegel exercises?
 
I

InTeL-iNsIdE

Guest
And time and time again, Europeans, particularly the English, complain about the US supposedly getting everything cheaper.

What does it matter how much Americans pay? They work, six dollars an hour, you work, six pounds an hour. Americans pay 500 for a card, you pay 500 for a card.

It's so irrelevant what the actual markup is between cost and sell-out. Do you sit around and do that with everything, milk, shoes, televisions? Would you refuse to buy a Ferrari because in reality they didn't cost anywhere near 400,000 to build?

Just be happy that they actually sell them IN Europe, and not force you to buy them from the end-user side, THEN ship them overseas.

WTF are you on about I wasnt moaning about the damn price, I was saying that everyone who is converting euros into dollars neednt be because it never works that way, you seriousley need to learn to read and understand a post fully before you start flaming the wrong people :slap: :shadedshu
 

HTC

Joined
Apr 1, 2008
Messages
4,601 (0.79/day)
Location
Portugal
System Name HTC's System
Processor Ryzen 5 2600X
Motherboard Asrock Taichi X370
Cooling NH-C14, with the AM4 mounting kit
Memory G.Skill Kit 16GB DDR4 F4 - 3200 C16D - 16 GTZB
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 480 OC 4 GB
Storage 1 Samsung NVMe 960 EVO 250 GB + 1 3.5" Seagate IronWolf Pro 6TB 7200RPM 256MB SATA III
Display(s) LG 27UD58
Case Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Corsair TX 850M 80+ Gold
Mouse Razer Deathadder Elite
Software Ubuntu 19.04 LTS
WTF are you on about I wasnt moaning about the damn price, I was saying that everyone who is converting euros into dollars neednt be because it never works that way, you seriousley need to learn to read and understand a post fully before you start flaming the wrong people :slap: :shadedshu

It sure doesn't.

Here, a 5870 costs 349 euros while the same card costs $379.99 in the US. Applying this conversion rate, the 5870x2 will be around $737: that is if this conversion rate is accurate, which i wouldn't be surprised if it were quite close ...

$737 doesn't seem that high for a new top dual GPU card, wouldn't you dudes agree?

Ofc, conversion rates vary from country to country so it would depend on the country where that particular store is from ...
 
Joined
Oct 1, 2006
Messages
4,883 (0.76/day)
Location
Hong Kong
Processor Core i7-12700k
Motherboard Z690 Aero G D4
Cooling Custom loop water, 3x 420 Rad
Video Card(s) RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming
Storage Plextor M10P 2TB
Display(s) InnoCN 27M2V
Case Thermaltake Level 20 XT
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster AE-5 Plus
Power Supply FSP Aurum PT 1200W
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-bit
If your case cannot fit this card may I suggest some kegel exercises?
Oh me?
My case can fit a 20ft card if I want to.
I am stating the card is longer than it needs to be, not because I can't fit it in.
 

pabloc74

New Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2008
Messages
184 (0.03/day)
Location
Argentina
System Name Pabloc74
Processor i7 920
Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe V2
Cooling Corsair H50
Memory Gskill 6gb Trident 2000mhz
Video Card(s) Sapphire 5870 Vapor-X
Storage Corsair Force GT 120gb + Samsung F1 1tb
Display(s) Samsung T260
Case Corsair Obsidian
Audio Device(s) X-Fi Titanium Fatality
Power Supply Corsair HX1000
Software Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Benchmark Scores no benchs!, machine use for gaming only!
Actually it is not better at all from the GTX295 which is natural since it is a single core vs dual core...

yes, but remember that is a "new" technology, and can't defeat the top vga actually, single or not.
if gt300 was the g80 was, there's one only thing that ati will do, reduce price as always done, because they can compite with the competition
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2009
Messages
1,182 (0.22/day)
Location
CO
System Name 4k
Processor AMD 5800x3D
Motherboard MSI MAG b550m Mortar Wifi
Cooling Corsair H100i
Memory 4x8Gb Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 bl8g36c16u4b.m8fe1
Video Card(s) Nvidia Reference 3080Ti
Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) LG 48" C1
Case CORSAIR Carbide AIR 240 Micro-ATX
Audio Device(s) Asus Xonar STX
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 650W
Software Microsoft Windows10 Pro x64
yes, but remember that is a "new" technology, and can't defeat the top vga actually, single or not.
if gt300 was the g80 was, there's one only thing that ati will do, reduce price as always done, because they can compite with the competition

I think your wrong about that Ati reduces prices because its cheaper for them to make thier products. They can go lower than Nvidia and still make the same profit or even more than nvidia thats how they compete. Its a totally diff strategy compared to Nvidia's brute force bigger faster chip philosophy.
 
Joined
May 12, 2009
Messages
5,196 (0.96/day)
System Name Dust Collector
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600X
Motherboard Asus B550I Aorus Pro WiFi AX
Cooling Alpenfohn Black Ridge V2 w/ Noctua NF-A9x14
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4 3200MHz/CL16
Video Card(s) Power Color Red Dragon RX 5700 XT
Storage Samsung EVO+ 500GB NVMe
Display(s) Dell S2721DGF
Case Dan Case A4
Power Supply Corsair SF600 Platinum
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Logitech G613
If I think there is a problem I speak out, not hiding it or blindly accepting anything they dump on me.
Freedom of speech it is.

They're not dumping anything on you if you don't buy it. If you do buy it knowing the space restrictions, you're basically diving into a dumpster.
 
Joined
Jan 11, 2005
Messages
1,491 (0.21/day)
Location
66 feet from the ground
System Name 2nd AMD puppy
Processor FX-8350 vishera
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper TX2
Memory 16 Gb DDR3:8GB Kingston HyperX Beast + 8Gb G.Skill Sniper(by courtesy of tabascosauz &TPU)
Video Card(s) Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+;1450/2000 Mhz
Storage SSD :840 pro 128 Gb;Iridium pro 240Gb ; HDD 2xWD-1Tb
Display(s) Benq XL2730Z 144 Hz freesync
Case NZXT 820 PHANTOM
Audio Device(s) Audigy SE with Logitech Z-5500
Power Supply Riotoro Enigma G2 850W
Mouse Razer copperhead / Gamdias zeus (by courtesy of sneekypeet & TPU)
Keyboard MS Sidewinder x4
Software win10 64bit ltsc
Benchmark Scores irrelevant for me
i see a lot of you talk about this conversion...

the fact is that in US a card cost ~370 USD which has already included the seller profit

let's say i own a company and buy from US 1000 card and shipp them in EU; i'm sure that the card price including shipping won't be higher than 370 USD at arrival in EU;EU don't have custom taxes for pc and parts only VAT which is up to 25% (depend on country) so the card prices go up to 460 USd;we add another 10% profit for me and the card selling price to retailers will be around 500 USD which will add another 10% so the card price go up to 550 USD=390 EUR familiar number no? this is why 1 USD=1 EUR;it won't be if EU don't have VAT like US (they'll have soon and the prices will go up but this won't affect EU prices as all goods exported from a country is VAT free)

before someone say that 390 EUR is too much (in Germany the card is 320 EUR) i want to point that the calculation is with 25% VAT and depend from country...(Germany-19%);anyway we'll have almost the same result that 1 USD=1 EUR almost...
 
Top