Current Status of F@H Teammates

[Lazzer408]

What exactly are you guys doing? I went to F@H's website and don't have the time to read through it all. http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Papers I know it's about protein folding but what breakthrough(s) has been a result of your guys' folding? The folders seem pretty energetic about folding. I want to know what all the hype is about.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

same as my forum name Crazyeyesreaper i prefer the keep it simple stupid method otherwise i get confused lol


lol im not energetic or hyped just doing my part to help cure cancer etc i figure theres a chance ill end up with a cancerous brain tumor at some point like my grandfathers so might as well cure the beast before it happen so i can save my own ass haha

 

[Lazzer408]

Wouldn't it be more productive to prevent cancer? I'm personally developing electric vehicle systems for my 'stab at the beast'.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

um yea kinda hard to prevent cancer when u lived within 20 miles of a nuclear powerplant your entire life roflol

seriously when i was a kid u could dig worms out of the ground and on some occasions they do actually GLOW lol rather comical lol i miss those carefree days of nuclear waste mingling with the enviroment ...

anyway back to folding XD

 

[Lazzer408]

um yea kinda hard to prevent cancer when u lived within 20 miles of a nuclear powerplant your entire life roflol

seriously when i was a kid u could dig worms out of the ground and on some occasions they do actually GLOW lol rather comical lol i miss those carefree days of nuclear waste mingling with the enviroment ...

anyway back to folding XD

You don't expect me to believe this do you? Perhapse it was just a glow worm. lol

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

um yea you should believe it the plant was shut down in 1996 due to the fact the plant was so unsafe that in order to fix that 1 powerplan would have bankrupted the company. And in these parts 2 headed worms (shaped like a Y) are common and so is the glowing due to the fact of power plant setting next to the river and using the river as a cooling source etc for 30 years lol

 

[Solaris17]

um yea you should believe it the plant was shut down in 1996 due to the fact the plant was so unsafe that in order to fix that 1 powerplan would have bankrupted the company. And in these parts 2 headed worms (shaped like a Y) are common and so is the glowing due to the fact of power plant setting next to the river and using the river as a cooling source etc for 30 years lol

you know that c ant happen right? the govt would have been on that in a heart beat

 

[NastyHabits]

What exactly are you guys doing? I went to F@H's website and don't have the time to read through it all. http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Papers I know it's about protein folding but what breakthrough(s) has been a result of your guys' folding? The folders seem pretty energetic about folding. I want to know what all the hype is about.

It's about doing very basic research in how proteins mutate. By using distributed computing, they can accomplish today, what would have taken multiple supercomputers just a few years ago. So the cancer researchers can spend money on scientists instead of hardware.

As for "breakthroughs" can we point to one specific instance and state simplistically they can now cure this or that type of cancer, no. As Thomas Edison once said, "Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration." There's a lot of dumb, boring, fruitless experimentation that goes into research. We folders are doing part of that. To what purpose? Someone once asked Thomas Edison what he'd accomplished after years of failed attempts to create the lightbulb. He replied, "I now know 10,000 ways not to do it."

 

[vaiopup]

...........Don't forget Alzheimers and Parkinsons.

The research work has lots of crossover potential.

Regardless of "results" to date the work the distributed computing contributors are doing is shaving xxxxxx years of time before a breakthrough is reached

 

[A Cheese Danish]

So, since I can't get the cpu client to run properly, I'm just going to leave my video card fold and
my cpu to crunch.

 

[Solaris17]

So, since I can't get the cpu client to run properly, I'm just going to leave my video card fold and
my cpu to crunch.

thats what i do....i gave up a long time ago on trying to get the SMP client to work right...eversince that daino BS it hasnt worked right.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

@ solaris

thats 1 of the reasons the plant was taken down its a known fact it was leaking chemical waste into the river. the river near that area was during Decomission completely off limits with military personal in full gear partolling the area. Its comical really. The worms thrived in the contaminated mud flats of the river. My family helped grow the worm industry in my state for years. We got out of it now as its a dying industry but the point remains lol there is radio active material here hell even now my home town is a considered a prime terrorist attack untill about 3 years ago due to the fact chemcial waste was still present in large quantities.


and back on topic folding my ass off with my phenom II still waiting on a pm from Buck

 

[[Ion]]

So, since I can't get the cpu client to run properly, I'm just going to leave my video card fold and
my cpu to crunch.

That's what I do. I support WCG more than F@H (and I am more interested in what they are doing), so I run my CPUs on WCG. Instead of letting my GPU go idle, I decided I might as well run F@H on it.

 

[A Cheese Danish]

thats what i do....i gave up a long time ago on trying to get the SMP client to work right...eversince that daino BS it hasnt worked right.

That's what I do. I support WCG more than F@H (and I am more interested in what they are doing), so I run my CPUs on WCG. Instead of letting my GPU go idle, I decided I might as well run F@H on it.

Glad to see I'm not the only one

 

[El Fiendo]

It's about doing very basic research in how proteins mutate. By using distributed computing, they can accomplish today, what would have taken multiple supercomputers just a few years ago. So the cancer researchers can spend money on scientists instead of hardware.
As for "breakthroughs" can we point to one specific instance and state simplistically they can now cure this or that type of cancer, no. As Thomas Edison once said, "Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration." There's a lot of dumb, boring, fruitless experimentation that goes into research. We folders are doing part of that. To what purpose? Someone once asked Thomas Edison what he'd accomplished after years of failed attempts to create the lightbulb. He replied, "I now know 10,000 ways not to do it."

...........Don't forget Alzheimers and Parkinsons.
The research work has lots of crossover potential.
Regardless of "results" to date the work the distributed computing contributors are doing is shaving xxxxxx years of time before a breakthrough is reached

Another couple that it would help with would be Crohn's and Ehler's Danlose Syndrome as well as many others. Basically they're doing the preliminary work and trying to find what exactly goes wrong in the process of protein folding that causes these mutated cells. Once they know the cause they can better work on a solution / cure to the problem.

Now for some real fun numbers. The world's fastest supercomputer is 1.5 Petaflops. This is the IBM Roadrunner stationed in Los Alamos, New Mexico. It's main function is to inventory and assess the entire United States nuclear arsenal in order to aid its upkeep. The Roadrunner does run scientific or civic oriented stuff in its off time though. However, Folding@Home is estimated to be around 8200 Teraflops, or 8.2 Petaflops and is solely scientific material. Now its not a direct correlation as alot of the processors that run Folding@Home aren't the same architecture as super computers, however the number I provided is their 'x86' estimate, so its pretty close to being accurate, with a small margin of error. What this means is that even though its not recognized as a super computer, Folding@Home is effectively around 5 times as powerful as the next fastest super computer. What's more is it has the ability to grow that is almost entirely dependent on us. Supercomputers of this magnitude would cost far too much for Stanford to ever afford, but with our help its quite possible.

 

[Lazzer408]

It's about doing very basic research in how proteins mutate. By using distributed computing, they can accomplish today, what would have taken multiple supercomputers just a few years ago. So the cancer researchers can spend money on scientists instead of hardware.

As for "breakthroughs" can we point to one specific instance and state simplistically they can now cure this or that type of cancer, no. As Thomas Edison once said, "Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration." There's a lot of dumb, boring, fruitless experimentation that goes into research. We folders are doing part of that. To what purpose? Someone once asked Thomas Edison what he'd accomplished after years of failed attempts to create the lightbulb. He replied, "I now know 10,000 ways not to do it."

Thank you for that answer. Props for the Edison quotes. I wonder what how many more tons of CO2 are released into the atmosphere powering these computers? As it stands I'd guess it's accelerated more cases of cancer then it's cured. I may have found my own answer on that one. I see F@H's site shows about 250,000 CPUs. At 100w/CPU that's only 25,000,000w. A drop in the bucket compaired to global power consumprion levels estimated in 2001 to be 13.5 terawatts.

 

[vaiopup]

I wonder what how many more tons of CO2 are released into the atmosphere powering these computers?

If it eases your conscience you could always run Climate Prediction

 

[Lazzer408]

If it eases your conscience you could always run Climate Prediction

I think that would be an equal waste. Predicting the inevitable accomplishes nothing. We have to start acting now and change our future before it happens.

 

[vaiopup]

That's why I retired my old inefficient rigs and consider efficiency in my hardware purchases.
Interestingly even when I had all my computers my 3 bedhouse carbon footprint was way lower than a one bed apartment living car owner!!!

That gave me the justification I needed to continue when I considered giving up crunching.

 

[El Fiendo]

The way I look at it, is that somewhere there is some absolute nut about 'being green' (which I find to be a completely made up marketing term that people love falsely applying to themselves) that offsets my above average consumption. In this way, I feel I'm using the power they'd normally use to a better end then they would have originally done.

 

[vaiopup]

Sell the car, buy more rigs

Back on topic.....can anyone suggest the best value gpu series for Folding?

 

[Lazzer408]

The way I look at it, is that somewhere there is some absolute nut about 'being green' (which I find to be a completely made up marketing term that people love falsely applying to themselves) that offsets my above average consumption. In this way, I feel I'm using the power they'd normally use to a better end then they would have originally done.

I'm sort of a "green nut" but I'm also practical. Some green nuts recycle every scrap of anything they can but don't realise it takes more enegry to process recyclables then it does to make new materials. If a company can produce the same product at a lower cost by using recycled material, well, they do. You mentioned, "I feel I'm using the power they'd normally use to a better end" Problem is they don't stop using it when you turn your rig on.

EDIT - My question was answered to some extent. I won't start a green war in this thread. lol Thanks.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Well my comments on the energy consumption and the nuclear power plants and the folding motives. Its all corruption and non-sense.

My Friends has all his cars running on Water as well as a generator that operates on water and releases nothing but water vapor from the exhaust. Bull Shit 1 with world.


Bull Shit 2... There has been a cure for cancer, I think folding is a wast of time and energy. Its been hidden from the public because much more money is made from the pain and suffering of people then to just let them live healthy. Do you honestly think that if they found a cure for cancer it would be publicly announce/released any time soon? Of course not, it would have a plan released date in the far off future or never until another disease like it comes out.

I fold any ways to humor myself and in the off chance that BS 2 is wrong and there is no conspiracy behind it all, I want to have claimed I was a part of it.

BS 3... Why is it Alcohol and Tobacco causes 1,000,000 deaths a years combined yet Marijuana that causes zero deaths a year is illegal while the other two are legal?

Oh and I hate Thomas Edison, its all about Nikola Tesla

 

[Solaris17]

Well my comments on the energy consumption and the nuclear power plants and the folding motives. Its all corruption and non-sense.

My Friends has all his cars running on Water as well as a generator that operates on water and releases nothing but water vapor from the exhaust. Bull Shit 1 with world.


Bull Shit 2... There has been a cure for cancer, I think folding is a wast of time and energy. Its been hidden from the public because much more money is made from the pain and suffering of people then to just let them live healthy. Do you honestly think that if they found a cure for cancer it would be publicly announce/released any time soon? Of course not, it would have a plan released date in the far off future or never until another disease like it comes out.

I fold any ways to humor myself and in the off chance that BS 2 is wrong and there is no conspiracy behind it all, I want to have claimed I was a part of it.

BS 3... Why is it Alcohol and Tobacco causes 1,000,000 deaths a years combined yet Marijuana that causes zero deaths a year is illegal while the other two are legal?

Oh and I hate Thomas Edison, its all about Nikola Tesla

wow that whole post is BS

1. Of course they would tell the public. Cancer is so wide spread that almost everyones lives have been touched by it..including world powers. The fact that you even think their letting it happen for kicks makes me think you think like that...tell me if you had power would you be doing it for kicks? The point is moot anyway. They just publicly..yes publicly what a shock released a vaccine for AIDS that can slow the progression of the virus by 40% thats HUGE.

2. If you fold to humor yourself then personally i dont think you should be part of this team that is wicked low.

3. God leave it to people that want to use illegal substances to bring up the age old argument. Granted iv been known to take a hit once in awhile but its obvious isnt it?. lets see. tobacco will kill you..yup...so will boos...but lets look at the facts..

1.MJ contains more tar than ciggz

2. though alcohol alters your state of mind MJ does it to an extreme.

3. beer is far more controlled to where you can control the alcohol content that is being sold to customers. MJ does not have this every strand is diffirent. some mroe powerfull then others..and you wont know till you try.

4. off of #3 MJ can not be controlled given the variations of strains and levels of THC. That and the fact it effects everyone differently doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous that tabaccoo or boos however it makes it much more of a public nucenss. People puking or chilling...or doing crazy shit. alcohol does this already and already causes deaths...so simpilest way to stop some crazy dude from jumping of a bridge because his ass thinks he can fly is ban it all together..now the fed govt only has one problem to focus on.

 

[AphexDreamer]

wow that whole post is BS

1. Of course they would tell the public. Cancer is so wide spread that almost everyones lives have been touched by it..including world powers. The fact that you even think their letting it happen for kicks makes me think you think like that...tell me if you had power would you be doing it for kicks? The point is moot anyway. They just publicly..yes publicly what a shock released a vaccine for AIDS that can slow the progression of the virus by 40% thats HUGE.

2. If you fold to humor yourself then personally i dont think you should be part of this team that is wicked low.

3. God leave it to people that want to use illegal substances to bring up the age old argument. Granted iv been known to take a hit once in awhile but its obvious isnt it?. lets see. tobacco will kill you..yup...so will boos...but lets look at the facts..

1.MJ contains more tar than ciggz

2. though alcohol alters your state of mind MJ does it to an extreme.

3. beer is far more controlled to where you can control the alcohol content that is being sold to customers. MJ does not have this every strand is diffirent. some mroe powerfull then others..and you wont know till you try.

4. off of #3 MJ can not be controlled given the variations of strains and levels of THC. That and the fact it effects everyone differently doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous that tabaccoo or boos however it makes it much more of a public nucenss. People puking or chilling...or doing crazy shit. alcohol does this already and already causes deaths...so simpilest way to stop some crazy dude from jumping of a bridge because his ass thinks he can fly is ban it all together..now the fed govt only has one problem to focus on.

If I had power no I would not do it for kicks and I don't really trust the Government that much so I have my suspensions.

Though I said I fold to humor myself I didn't mean to sound careless, I do care (Grandpa Died of Cancer). I meant to say that if it is true there is a cure for cancer, then me folidng would have all been just for kicks, but if it really hasn't been cured yet then it is/has been truly for the better. Lets not even mention the good medicinal MJ has done for people with aids and cancer either.

I don't really think it was right for you to assume I have done MJ. Haven't even touched the stuff let alone smoked and it really wouldn't bother me to admit to it. I have plenty of friends that do smoke MJ and they are doing great for them selfs.

You can say all you want about MJ, the different strains, potencies, adverse effects and what not. Truth be told I don't think you can argue that its worse then either alchole or tobacco unless you want to exgerate the truths about it or add false effects to it. Once it is decided to Tax MJ, this country will be better off and it would help to alleviate at least a few economical issues.

Now I'm sorry to have caused the thread to drift of its designated topic and if you or anyone else wants to continue this conversation just PM me about it.